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hankscorpio
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 1:43 PM ET
And how much is he paying Johnson, Callahan?

He just gave McDonough a 7yr deal - same cap hit as Seabrook (who won a few things for his team) - and his wont expire until hes 38 with a NTC as well.

Yzerman does it, and doesnt win...but "makes all the right moves".

- PatShart


Stanbo's biggest problem is that he signed the core when the salary cap was much lower. Now that the salary cap is higher, you are starting to see teams with 2 players making similar to what Kane/Toews are paid. Look at LA Kings with Kopitar being paid $10 mil and Doughty getting $7 mil this year and then it increases to $11 mil next year. Toronto is going to face the same issue when Matthews finishes his rookie contract.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jul 5 @ 1:43 PM ET
And the "Stamkos pay cut"? Well, Stamkos never gave a bridge deal either. His second contract paid him 7.5mil per (whereas Kane, for instance, took 6.3mil per). Maybe if he wasn't greedy on that one, they could have signed an extra player that may have helped him beat CHI instead of losing to then, letting the Hawks (including Q, Stan, overpaid Seabrook) win yet another Cup?

Stamkos' 15yrs of contract? - 105mil & no cups

Greedy Patrick Kane 15yrs of contracts? 115mil and 3 cups

Stamkos "took" 10mil less (probably doesnt even count when factoring taxes) over a 15yr period.
tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 5 @ 1:47 PM ET
And the "Stamkos pay cut"? Well, Stamkos never gave a bridge deal either. His second contract paid him 7.5mil per (whereas Kane, for instance, took 6.3mil per). Maybe if he wasn't greedy on that one, they could have signed an extra player that may have helped him beat CHI instead of losing to then, letting the Hawks (including Q, Stan, overpaid Seabrook) win yet another Cup?

Stamkos' 15yrs of contract? - 105mil & no cups

Greedy Patrick Kane 15yrs of contracts? 115mil and 3 cups

Stamkos "took" 10mil less (probably doesnt even count when factoring taxes) over a 15yr period.

- PatShart


Seabrook was still a very good defender and not overpaid in 2015. Also, as I've said before, individuals do not win cups.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 5 @ 1:48 PM ET
I'm not dropping 2 young defenders and a pick just to move Hossa. Smith does absolutely nothing for us.

My point is, agreed with who said it before me, why make a trade to get rid of a cap if you're not intending to win now? It not only doesn't serve a purpose, but actually hurts us.

- HawksHype


Clear thinking. No need to move Hossa money NOW but that doesn't mean they don't always have an eye out to fairly (subjective) do so.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jul 5 @ 1:53 PM ET
Clear thinking. No need to move Hossa money NOW but that doesn't mean they don't always have an eye out to fairly (subjective) do so.
- Mr Ricochet



If Murphy is on the block then that is all Q. Hawks need to be careful about trades right now.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 5 @ 1:56 PM ET


Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 5 @ 1:59 PM ET
Unless the team does a public “we are full on rebuilding” statement, the team must continue to fill the seats. The season ticket waitlist has been seriously depleted already. Another non-playoff showing will pretty much remove what little luster is left on the team altogether.

Murphy has had well over 200 games to figure it out with multiple coaches. Cya.

The rookies are still too young to be playing NHL hockey. They all need at leadt another full season with Colliton.

You need sevicable NHL caliber depth ar center. Smith fills a hole until guys like Ejdsell are ready.

Getting Stralman gives them needed QUALITY defense (read: NOT Faulk) with flexibility to keep, trade or let go.

I just dont see the downside here
.

- Return of the Roar


There still is a STH wait list? That has to be gone, no? ......... No doubt Stralman makes em a better club as a 31 yr old Dman, helps them be competitive and sell a few more tickets. Like DET where they make the playoffs, get bumped in the 1st rd and end up with the 21st pick? Yr after yr?
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 5 @ 2:01 PM ET
"Patiently" handled 2 guys that never won a cup.


- PatShart


Ok..............
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 5 @ 2:03 PM ET
There still is a STH wait list? That has to be gone, no? ......... No doubt Stralman makes em a better club as a 31 yr old Dman, helps them be competitive and sell a few more tickets. Like DET where they make the playoffs, get bumped in the 1st rd and end up with the 21st pick? Yr after yr?
- Mr Ricochet


https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/tickets/wait-list

http://www.chicagobusines...ces-for-8th-straight-year
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jul 5 @ 2:06 PM ET
kinda some up this hawk off season so far...a colossal bore...

Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 5 @ 2:06 PM ET
And how much is he paying Johnson, Callahan?

He just gave McDonough a 7yr deal - same cap hit as Seabrook (who won a few things for his team) - and his wont expire until hes 38 with a NTC as well.

Yzerman does it, and doesnt win...but "makes all the right moves".

- PatShart


Stan for president. I'll take loser Stevie Y every time. ....... If you've crawled down a hole that says Stan is a better manager of the cap and is better in trades than Stevie Y and Stevie Y had the benefit of what Stan INHERITED absolutely no reason to tap one more letter on your keyboard to debate me. You win, carry on.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jul 5 @ 2:16 PM ET
https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/tickets/wait-list

http://www.chicagobusines...ces-for-8th-straight-year

- BetweenTheDots


Wow, there is a wait list. I was afraid to give mine up as they are front row and thought would never get them again so I re-upped. Feel better about that now.

The average price for Chicago Blackhawks season tickets next season will be twice as much as it was in 2009, the year before the team won the first of three Stanley Cups in six seasons.

Bought a 10 game package the NIGHT the old man dies ending my 23 yr boycott. Got me on the list for seasons the next yr, got the call, 1st row was open, took it at 27 a ticket. Last yr my ticket was 81, triple what I paid in 08/09.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jul 5 @ 2:17 PM ET
I still don't get the appeal of cap space for the sake of cap space. First, it's less than $1.5m in cap space so okay? And second, if it takes both the best LD prospect and a young top 4 RD to move Hossa, then don't do it. That's too much. Zack Smith in return does not negate the lopsided value in that trade.

And I looooove the idea of Stralman, but resigning him would eat more cap space than you've freed via Hossa/Murphy move plus some, so you're just back into cap hell with an $3m+ 4C and another aging player on a high cap hit contract. Otoh, Stralman had a NTC btw which would really limit any TDL/in-season trade if they cannot afford to resign him. If Stralman's deal was for 2-3 season, I'd have absolutely no complaints with the trade but it's not and thus makes it not useful.

Also, Murphy does not suck - he may not fit Q's system, but as a young top 4 RD, he has more value than just cap space.

- L_B_R

Yes, Murphy does suck. He can’t skate well, makes poor decisions in his own zone, is a minus outlet passer, and doesn’t contribute offensively. And I’d have to look it up, but I don’t remember him blocking many shots. He was a massive downgrade from Hammer, and made the 2017-18 Blackhawks worse than they were before he arrived.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jul 5 @ 2:18 PM ET
Yes, Murphy does suck. He can’t skate well, makes poor decisions in his own zone, is a minus outlet passer, and doesn’t contribute offensively. And I’d have to look it up, but I don’t remember him blocking many shots. He was a massive downgrade from Hammer, and made the 2017-18 Blackhawks worse than they were before he arrived.
- scottak



He looked pretty good in the tournament with Kane.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jul 5 @ 2:19 PM ET
Stan for president. I'll take loser Stevie Y every time. ....... If you've crawled down a hole that says Stan is a better manager of the cap and is better in trades than Stevie Y and Stevie Y didn't have the benefit of what Stan INHERITED absolutely no reason to tap one more letter on your keyboard to debate me. You win, carry on.
- Mr Ricochet


That's fine. You just ignore when "Stevie Y" gives out same terms and NMC (Mcdonogh) to a Dman similar to Seabrook, and hes a genius for locking him up. And Stan is an idiot for doing the same to a homegrown player that's won for the organization.

Or ignore that Stamkos didn't give a discount when his entry level was up, in fact took a higher cap hit than Kane and Toews had...and they won a cup at the time.

And Stamkos "took less" when he had medical concerns threatening his career...which I'm sure can hurt his market..but still only 10mil less over a 15yr span is some sort of discount, so be it
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 5 @ 2:19 PM ET
Wow, there is a wait list. I was afraid to give mine up as they are front row and thought would never get them again so I re-upped. Feel better about that now.

The average price for Chicago Blackhawks season tickets next season will be twice as much as it was in 2009, the year before the team won the first of three Stanley Cups in six seasons.

Bought a 10 game package the NIGHT the old man dies ending my 23 yr boycott. Got me on the list for seasons the next yr, got the call, 1st row was open, took it at 27 a ticket. Last yr my ticket was 81, triple what I paid in 08/09.

- Mr Ricochet


Yep, and believe it or not Chicago fans embrace an owner who wants to win and is willing to put their money where their mouth is.
HawksHype
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 5 @ 2:22 PM ET
You are moving an overpaid NHL defenseman who is a bottom pair guy at best after 334 NHL games, and a kid in Forsling who had a taste, showed some flashes, and went back down for more development. Those are the only two names that have been mentioned in today’s rumors.

We have like a hundred other D prospects - all too soon to know their trajectory. That talent pool is Stan’s only source of assets to move.

So if your directive is to make the team better - which it was from the top down - and you don’t, how does that help your fan base’s waning interest?

- Return of the Roar


ROR... let me say this, while also disagreeing a bit with you haha. I absolutely agree with what you're saying. In the end, this is 100% a business. Stan and Co HAVE to put something on the ice that puts butts in the seats. Whether or not it improves our chances at a cup, marketing can sell a move like this and can be viewed as making attempts to get better. Where I start to disagree with this, is the actual impact a trade would have on the team. But I am not discrediting what you're saying. The business aspect reigns supreme, always.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jul 5 @ 2:23 PM ET
He looked pretty good in the tournament with Kane.
- z1990z

Hammer played top 4 for Sweden in the Olympics, when all the best players in the world were participating. Murphy played for the USA in the World Championships, when half of the best players in the world were still involved in the Stanley Cup playoffs, and team rosters included has been sand never will bes.
tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 5 @ 2:23 PM ET
That's fine. You just ignore when "Stevie Y" gives out same terms and NMC (Mcdonogh) to a Dman similar to Seabrook, and hes a genius for locking him up. And Stan is an idiot for doing the same to a homegrown player that's won for the organization.

Or ignore that Stamkos didn't give a discount when his entry level was up, in fact took a higher cap hit than Kane and Toews had...and they won a cup at the time.

And Stamkos "took less" when he had medical concerns threatening his career...which I'm sure can hurt his market..but still only 10mil less over a 15yr span is some sort of discount, so be it

- PatShart


Toews and Kane had not yet won a cup when they reupped.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jul 5 @ 2:28 PM ET
ROR... let me say this, while also disagreeing a bit with you haha. I absolutely agree with what you're saying. In the end, this is 100% a business. Stan and Co HAVE to put something on the ice that puts butts in the seats. Whether or not it improves our chances at a cup, marketing can sell a move like this and can be viewed as making attempts to get better. Where I start to disagree with this, is the actual impact a trade would have on the team. But I am not discrediting what you're saying. The business aspect reigns supreme, always.
- HawksHype


That's why for now Toews, Kane, Keith and Seabrook aren't going anywhere. McD will focus on them marketing the team until they restructure the team for now.
HawksHype
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 5 @ 2:35 PM ET
Yes, Murphy does suck. He can’t skate well, makes poor decisions in his own zone, is a minus outlet passer, and doesn’t contribute offensively. And I’d have to look it up, but I don’t remember him blocking many shots. He was a massive downgrade from Hammer, and made the 2017-18 Blackhawks worse than they were before he arrived.
- scottak


Hmmm... not sure I agree. Murphy wasn't brough it to be a shot blocking defenseman, but but to bring the hits.

Hjlams (2016-17): 73 GP, 23 hits, 181 blocked shots, 70 give aways, 49.5% CF
Murphy (2017-18): 76 GP, 138 hits, 101 blocked shots, 33 give aways, 53.5% CG

I think Murphy was given the short end of the stick this year and viewed as much more of a liability than he really is. He does have a lot of work to do to be a reliable top 4D, but he puts hits on people (questionable/out of position, albeit, at times), but he has a lot to like as well. He's 25 and could take time to develop in a different system. I am just not sold on giving up on him yet.

EDIT: I know I can pick and choose my own stats, but directly looking at a few to compare; way more hits (which is what we were looking for) and a few less blocked shots (no one can really compare to what Nik gave out there on the ice shot blocking).
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Jul 5 @ 2:50 PM ET
Toews and Kane had not yet won a cup when they reupped.
- tyweb69

Yes they did, they won the first cup on the last year of their entry level contract.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jul 5 @ 2:53 PM ET
StanBo handing out No Trade Clauses to guys who don't deserve them like Oprah



Also, I wouldn't do this unless I was confident in the person who told me....my buddy is a HS Hockey Coach in the Chicago Suburbs and he was talking to a notable Illinois suburban hockey family member that works in the organization currently about Crawford. My friend was told that Crawford was indeed in a substance abuse program for alcohol. Very unfortunate, and I'm sure most of us here have had a family member or friend battle addiction.

Hope Crawford gets healthy, but not a good sign for the morale/leadership of the team.
tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 5 @ 2:55 PM ET
Yes they did, they won the first cup on the last year of their entry level contract.
- GPHawksfan


Right but they signed those deals way before the season was over.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 5 @ 2:56 PM ET
Blackhawks first-rounder Adam Boqvist is leaving the SHL for the OHL’s London Knights, according to a source.
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