Disagree. Our window with Keith, Kane and Toews is closing quickly. So we need studs now. If you want to build for 2025 that is fine. If you want to win right now, that is fine. But don't be the White Sox of 2010-2016 and be in sucky limbo for the next 7 years.
- onehundredlevel

I think holding on to the fact that windows for Keith and Toews is closing and not closed only prolongs the pain.

Wouldn't trade an asset to get rid of it now. Not worth a good asset.

My dream scenario is Stan doesn't get into this FA event.

No one will be worth what they are signed for, Hawks need to get in financial shape.
- vabeachbear

Mostly with you, but think there apcould be some bargains to be had - especially once the Tavares sweepstakes are over. Maybe for once the Hawks could profit off of someone else’s cap woes..

Mostly with you, but think there apcould be some bargains to be had - especially once the Tavares sweepstakes are over. Maybe for once the Hawks could profit off of someone else’s cap woes..
- Marlowe

definately ok with some bargain shopping.

Just don't want JVR at 6 or 7 for 6 yrs.

On a positive note, Argentina now beating France.

Hate the French

Edit; spoke too soon

definately ok with some bargain shopping.

Just don't want JVR at 6 or 7 for 6 yrs.
- vabeachbear

Especially not at the expense of a top 4 D

I really don’t see any pressing reason to move Hossa’s contract, LTIR may be create abit of a hassle in terms of extra work for Stan, but it’s workable.
- walleyeb1

Exactly. What would they do to fill the 5-6 holes that the Hossa money would do for them today? Maybe a scenario where they need it for a Stone, Faulk or even Karlsson trade but other than TRADING for a long term 25 to 28 yr old answer, De Haan included here, the Hossa money isn't a problem, today.

Hossa money will go away in 3 yrs if not moved and is very very very attractive to an OTT type club as it only costs 1 mil out of pocket for 5 mil to get to the floor. Do not waste any real assets to move the Hossa money.

Isn’t that what he has done with Bickell and Sharp and was vilified on this board (even till this day)?
- Revco38

Absolutely, and some here are saying give up a 1st to trade Hossa, then those same people will be furious if we win the draft lottery and Stan made that trade. There is no quick fix here

Exactly. What would they do to fill the 5-6 holes that the Hossa money would do for them today? Maybe a scenario where they need it for a Stone, Faulk or even Karlsson trade but other than TRADING for a long term 25 to 28 yr old answer, De Haan included here, the Hossa money isn't a problem, today.

Hossa money will go away in 3 yrs if not moved and is very very very attractive to an OTT type club as it only costs 1 mil out of pocket for 5 mil to get to the floor. Do not waste any real assets to move the Hossa money.
- Mr Ricochet

I was going to say earlier when someone commented about no teams needing that contract.

I'd wait out Ottawa, that situation is a mess, and sounds like its going to get worse.

Didn't it cost Detroit a 1st and 2nd round pick to move Datsyuk's dead salary to Coyotes? I know he wasn't on LTIR and the salary was higher, but it's not that easy to move these picks, especially the Hawks who have a very mediocre minor league system

Maybe biggest or right there as biggest Blackhawks news but don't know what time during summer came the news that Bobby Hull jumped ship to the WHA

Absolutely, and some here are saying give up a 1st to trade Hossa, then those same people will be furious if we win the draft lottery and Stan made that trade. There is no quick fix here
- BetweenTheDots

When it comes to the state of the team, everything is Bowman's fault according to the board. People forget that it's a combined effort by the GM and a lot of other folks in the front office when making hockey/player decisions.

When it comes to poor play, everything is Q's fault according to the board. There's never any accountability on the players.

Think the Oilers would be more inclined to add Seabrook now since Doughty is going to get 11m per ?

Think the Oilers would be more inclined to add Seabrook now since Doughty is going to get 11m per ?
- mrpaulish

Could be.

That Doughty contract the Kings gave him is insane...

Could be.

That Doughty contract the Kings gave him is insane...
- Hank3Henshaw

And E Karlsson will command at least that much money. Tavares as well. It will be nice to have some company in cap hell.

When it comes to the state of the team, everything is Bowman's fault according to the board. People forget that it's a combined effort by the GM and a lot of other folks in the front office when making hockey/player decisions.

When it comes to poor play, everything is Q's fault according to the board. There's never any accountability on the players.
- Hank3Henshaw

Thats not true. I think Q is over rated by a lot.

Q couldnt figure out Daley and Kempny ? Q is very stubborn allowng a poopty PP when the teams offensive talent is there.

But Bowman had no reason to give out the Seabrook deal .

However , weather any of you ant to believe it or not there are NO CUPS without Hossa and without Bowman Hossa never comes here. Tallon wanted to re-sign Havlat. Its that simple , No Bowman No Hossa No Cups.

Back to Hossa, maybe Toews has been riding Hossas coat tales this whole time ? All of a sudden Toews is average or worse ? I believe Hossa covered a lot of Toews defensive woes. I think Bowman though Saad would pck up the slack where Hossa left off. If Toews has another bad season my little theory will be proven correct. Toews has been carried by Hossa.

And E Karlsson will command at least that much money. Tavares as well. It will be nice to have some company in cap hell.
- Marlowe

100%

Per @MikeKellyNHL
Lots of interest in Calvin de Haan. As many as 9 teams in the mix with a couple new ones entering in the last 24 hours. Most from the East.

Verified Draeger twitter:
Trade: Montreal acquires Steve Mason and Armia from the Wpg Jets.

EDIT: and Canadiens-de-Montréal
https://twitter.com/canad.../1013052339169775616?s=21
- Marlowe

Really nice way for WPG to clear cap space, no TT or Johns to do so. Armia is a bottom 6 20+ pt guy and Mason is a #2 if healthy. They did add a 4th and 7th rd pick too I believe. This is how you manage a cap.

WPG is a team I'm watching this offseason. I'm a fan cuz they have players who will knock people down as well as freaks who can fill the net. Fun club.

Looks like they are clearing money to sign Stasnty. That gives em 4 legit deep centers pushing Little to 3C and Lowry to 4C with top prospect Roslovic, a true center, to wing and Perreualt who can play C. Still have to deal with Laine, Wheeler, Trouba, Meyers, Morrisey to sign all in the next two yrs.

A deal to be had there? Doubt they would move a very very valuable Lowry but I'd give up a 1st and any D prospect not Boqvist or maybe even Mitchell for 24 yr old Trouba or even offer sheet him. ........ I'd also add center/wing Petan is 23 and still a legit prospect stuck in the AHL due to the freakish depth on the NHL roster. Maybe a move there for a Hawks D prospect?

Per @MikeKellyNHL
Lots of interest in Calvin de Haan. As many as 9 teams in the mix with a couple new ones entering in the last 24 hours. Most from the East.
- Marlowe

Thats going to cost someone 5m x 4 years.
UFA

Goof time.

Thats not true. I think Q is over rated by a lot.

Q couldnt figure out Daley and Kempny ? Q is very stubborn allowng a poopty PP when the teams offensive talent is there.

But Bowman had no reason to give out the Seabrook deal .

However , weather any of you ant to believe it or not there are NO CUPS without Hossa and without Bowman Hossa never comes here. Tallon wanted to re-sign Havlat. Its that simple , No Bowman No Hossa No Cups.

Back to Hossa, maybe Toews has been riding Hossas coat tales this whole time ? All of a sudden Toews is average or worse ? I believe Hossa covered a lot of Toews defensive woes. I think Bowman though Saad would pck up the slack where Hossa left off. If Toews has another bad season my little theory will be proven correct. Toews has been carried by Hossa.
- mrpaulish

Good points.

I think Daley and Kempny were cases of guys not fitting a certain system. I guess you can argue that Q should let them play their game, but it could also just be a case of guys not working out here and working out somewhere else--which happens a lot.

Interesting theory on Toews. We'll have to see how it plays out, but I Toews had some strong years early in his career pre-Hossa. I just think he's burned out or something.

Thats going to cost someone 5m x 4 years.
UFA

Goof time.
- mrpaulish

He's a 27 yr old legit top 4 puck mover who can skate that the fancy stats show all players are worse without him. He'll get paid, and rightly so.

Thats not true. I think Q is over rated by a lot.

Q couldnt figure out Daley and Kempny ? Q is very stubborn allowng a poopty PP when the teams offensive talent is there.

But Bowman had no reason to give out the Seabrook deal .

However , weather any of you ant to believe it or not there are NO CUPS without Hossa and without Bowman Hossa never comes here. Tallon wanted to re-sign Havlat. Its that simple , No Bowman No Hossa No Cups.

Back to Hossa, maybe Toews has been riding Hossas coat tales this whole time ? All of a sudden Toews is average or worse ? I believe Hossa covered a lot of Toews defensive woes. I think Bowman though Saad would pck up the slack where Hossa left off. If Toews has another bad season my little theory will be proven correct. Toews has been carried by Hossa.
- mrpaulish

Agree with most of your post, except the part about Toews and Q. Q may be overrated but I wouldn’t say by a lot...JMO.

As far as Toews being carried by Hossa I think it’s more fair to say they formed 2/3 of a pretty amazing line but I don’t think anyone was carrying the other’s water.

They have both had some amazing games/ seasons / accomplishments over the years. Just cause Toews doesn’t quite look the same now shouldn’t minimize what he was doing three years ago or prior to that.

He's a 27 yr old legit top 4 puck mover who can skate that the fancy stats show all players are worse without him. He'll get paid, and rightly so.
- Mr Ricochet

Then why wasnt he extended by his former club ?

He's a 27 yr old legit top 4 puck mover who can skate that the fancy stats show all players are worse without him. He'll get paid, and rightly so.
- Mr Ricochet

Is he recovered from the injury, though?

And is he injury-prone? I don't know much about him.

Asking for a friend

Thats not true. I think Q is over rated by a lot.

Q couldnt figure out Daley and Kempny ? Q is very stubborn allowng a poopty PP when the teams offensive talent is there.

But Bowman had no reason to give out the Seabrook deal .

However , weather any of you ant to believe it or not there are NO CUPS without Hossa and without Bowman Hossa never comes here. Tallon wanted to re-sign Havlat. Its that simple , No Bowman No Hossa No Cups.


- mrpaulish

Complete history revision. TALLON signed Hossa. Period. Tallon wanted BOTH Havlat and Hossa. And he ultimately chose the better guy when Havlat priced himself out of Chicago.

It's funny, Bowman wasn't responsible for the missed offers to Versteeg and others, but somehow gets credit for something Dale Tallon did? Huh?