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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 4:08 PM ET
Have been a fan of this guys for many yrs now as a legit #2.
- Mr Ricochet


Khudobin may want more $ but the bruins maybe his best option if Tavares lands there. Sure not a starter, but even a short term deal might pas his resume for his next ufa status. Hutton wants to play over staying with St. Louis and not if they are locked into feeling Jake Allen can be resurrected into a confident everyday starter. So if you don’t like and older guy who WAS a former bonafide full time, or don’t like these two above who want to play, well all the rest to me, are Denis Dejordy.
The Blackhawks ownership bought the Buffalo farm club in the 50s A) to acquire the rights to Pierre Pilote and B) have a minor pro to team where their St. Catherine junior owned prospects could eventually get there feet wet to assess if they were possibly going to develop into nhl players.
Goalie Dejordy was sent there (and other places to get better, and the team publicity staff, my good friend Kevin’s dad, Don Murphy, use Dejordy in the game programs as a future hawk from the time I was 12 until I was 16.)
When the hawk team would hit skids and losing streaks or gave up leads, we fans would start to take it out on Glenn Hall who pretty much played every game (sarcasm), overworked, and we would start yelling, “Bring up, Dejordy! Over and over, and every time they DID BRING UP DEJORDY, he was horse plop, in over his head, a career AHLer, who ended playing with expansion but never playing well in the long haul, so I suggest you all start thinking positive thought on Crawford’s recovery because all those are Dejordy’s in my opinion, like centres, and defensemen, you gotta grow your own.

TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 27 @ 4:11 PM ET
I know that the Wild are division rivals so a trade is seemingly highly unlikely, but with a new GM in tow who will want to put his stamp on the organization, and a team that is stale and in need of a shakeup of some sort, I’ve read that guys like NN, Charlie Coyle, Dumba, and Brodin could all be available...

Lots of enticing young pieces that would be much more appealing trade alternatives rather than overpaying in this lackluster free agent market.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 4:11 PM ET
Mentioned this earlier that team and Berube were looking to part ways.
- Justin Lowe


Holy midget third nhl team like Duclair, Batman.(Jordon Schroeder)
I guess Korpisalo lost votes of confidence.
Now the hawks have room for a goalie...from Russia.
Wouldn’t be some story if Ivan Nalimov came over and Nailed the back up job?

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 4:16 PM ET
With the Schroeder trade, still curious as to why Stan wouldn't qualify Chaput after giving away Kero. Schroeder (will be) and Chaput (very much would have been) 2 nice pieces up the middle for Colliton and the Hogs' to mold and use.
- Trammelt

Too many one way contracts with “tweeter” players who have had lots of chances to play but never get the 200 foot game together.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 4:18 PM ET
I have no problem with Cam Ward on a one year "prove yourself" contract. There would be little risk for us and at this point Ward may not get any better offers. He gets a chance to revive his career on a pretty decent team in front of him. And he has made enough money in his career to walk away from it all at the end of the season if things don't work out.
If the money is beyond $2M with movement clauses, then Bowman needs to look elsewhere.

- 67hawks


Me either
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 4:27 PM ET
Am I the only one here who would gladly take Conor Sheary for a fourth round pick? Surprised that's all PIT required.

STAN - PLEASE DO SOMETHING ALREADY!!!

- Trammelt


Oh, they did require more: you have to take Hunwick along with him and it over 5 million in total Cap.
Sheary plateaued the year before, and do we need another small wing over other needs? We signed us some small wings already, and Hunwicks deal would be an albatross along with further complicating playing time for the players you want to have the time TO develop.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 27 @ 4:37 PM ET
With the Schroeder trade, still curious as to why Stan wouldn't qualify Chaput after giving away Kero. Schroeder (will be) and Chaput (very much would have been) 2 nice pieces up the middle for Colliton and the Hogs' to mold and use.
- Trammelt

With Kero/Chaput, Bowman was trying to clear a contract spot. They're at 44 contracts and are hoping to make some signings / trades. I'm sure he tried to get an expiring contract/pick for Berube too, but at least offloading one goalie is good enough.
Stan_Bowman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.27.2017

Jun 27 @ 5:00 PM ET
You guys wanted action, you got action.

Time to clock out and call it a day.
bhawks86
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 27 @ 5:02 PM ET
Not a brother, pal.
- L_B_R


I’m not a pal, friend.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jun 27 @ 5:20 PM ET
Absolutely no one on these boards knows and anyone who claims is lying / rumormongering from unreliable "sources".
- L_B_R


Don’t need any fancy stats to back you up on this statement. Lying, rumormongering or just plain trying to cause trouble.
Trammelt
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.11.2012

Jun 27 @ 5:21 PM ET
Oh, they did require more: you have to take Hunwick along with him and it over 5 million in total Cap.
Sheary plateaued the year before, and do we need another small wing over other needs? We signed us some small wings already, and Hunwicks deal would be an albatross along with further complicating playing time for the players you want to have the time TO develop.

- wiz1901


That's the true question here. We need A WHOLE LOT, and the lack of any movement from the FO has many concerned we will go into this season with MAYBE a depth C, 1 new piece on D, and Cam Ward and that is uhhh... not good enough to cut it..

Hunwicks contract would suck. No doubt there. Sheary, however, has shown more in his 2 NHL seasons than 6/7 of the wingers we iced over the last month or 2 of the season. Certainly not saying he will turn out better than, but has BEEN better / shown more so far than Hayden, Jurco, Duclair, Hino, Sikura, Kampf, Ejdsell. My money would be on Sikura and Ejdsell turning into solid to strong NHL pieces, and Kampf being a sneaky good 3/4C a la Kruger, but to say Sheary peaked as a rookie and wouldn't be useful in Chicago is just a plain fallacy. IN MY OPINION.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Jun 27 @ 5:24 PM ET
Thanks for the responses everyone. Not trying to start rumors or get into a players personal life. But the comments from Stan and Joel in regards to Crow, are frustrating, at best. Was just wondering what everyone else had heard.
- HoldenCaulfield


We have as much right to know what’s really going on with Crawford as we do to know your health and psychological history. I would consider that at about zero percent.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 27 @ 5:28 PM ET
There seems to be a major disconnect. We continue to draft promising young defenders who will (hopefully) help the club in a big way in a couple years, but none of this does anything to help the current aging core that is starting to show some major flaws.

I too would like to see a move ANY MOVE, just so that the team shows some sparks of life, but realize that we could potentially do more harm than good by picking up yet another high priced player simply to make a splash.

- Q-stache


Yes.......... And if you sign say a JVR for 6 mil for 5 yrs is Crow gonna be back and be Crow? If not, and absent any equal replacement for Crow, which won't be cheap, while still needing a top 4 Dman are you making yourself a middle of the road franchise that handcuffed yourself financially when the Core 2.0 is ready in 3-4 yrs?

I mean they have Seabs inked thru 23-24 and Toews thru 22-23.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 27 @ 5:39 PM ET
Been doing some digging and heard the Hawks would like to keep Forsberg as 3rd goalie or in AHL if possible. They still see potential and don't want to get rid of him just to get rid of him. They just don't want to have to rely on him as a starter at times potentially next year.

Also, my guy said the Cam Ward thing makes sense because he's able to step in and play 40+ games if needed. He's been durable, even at 34 years old because he hasn't been tasked to play 60 games a year.

Also, he said, ward is a great guy and would be amazing for the locker room.

- Justin Lowe


I agree with this 100%, there is a lot to like in the 25 yr old Forsberg especially with a 33 yr old Crow "teetering". the Hawks may be in the market for a #1 as soon as 2 months from now or probably in 2-3 yrs as Crow is signed for 2 more seasons.

Not having a true #1 is no way to live life. Just look at NYI, CAL, PHI, DET and WPG (until HellBoy stepped up) off the top of my head the last few yrs.

But again how does Forsberg get thru waivers if the sign another #2? That is my question, and always has been, since the possibility of signing a #2 came up. Unless they carry 3 goalies. Is that a possibility talked about? Not perfect, and Forsberg doesn't get much work but they won't lose him to waivers.

Also I wonder why Halak or Lethonen's name never comes up from the leaks? Both are still NHL goalies.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 27 @ 5:46 PM ET
For me it all comes down to price and term. Ward is not my first choice (or second choice), but for the right price he does have some veteran experience that can be valuable. Who knows how he will do with another team and coaching staff. After watching Darling crash and burn after changing teams you have to wonder if the issue is really in net or if the issue is deeper than that. I personally think goalie coaches don't get enough credit.

I think if they do sign Ward is isn't about replacing Crawford. I.e. they feel Crawford really is going to be fine and they realize they need to address the backup role. If they thought Crawford was gonna really be out long term, I think they'd be aiming higher, IMO.

- breadbag


Good post. I'm not necessarily advocating for or against Ward but he did win a cup, even though it was a long time ago. Means he has it in his head to play under the ultimate pressure, no small thing and not all have it. ...... Always said Crow's best asset was between his ears cuz it ain't his mechanics that's for sure.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:47 PM ET
I agree with this 100%, there is a lot to like in the 25 yr old Forsberg especially with a 33 yr old Crow "teetering". the Hawks may be in the market for a #1 as soon as 2 months from now or probably in 2-3 yrs as Crow is signed for 2 more seasons.

Not having a true #1 is no way to live life. Just look at NYI, CAL, PHI, DET and WPG (until HellBoy stepped up) off the top of my head the last few yrs.

But again how does Forsberg get thru waivers if the sign another #2? That is my question, and always has been, since the possibility of signing a #2 came up. Unless they carry 3 goalies. Is that a possibility talked about? Not perfect, and Forsberg doesn't get much work but they won't lose him to waivers.

Also I wonder why Halak or Lethonen's name never comes up from the leaks? Both are still NHL goalies.

- Mr Ricochet


The Hawks could wait until the last day before the season to make the move. By then most teams would have their goalie situation ironed out. If they claimed Forsberg they would probably have to drop their backup to an AHL team. It is a little dicey, but he could clear waivers.

I like Forsberg long term also. But I think his best option would be sharing the net with Delia in Rockford on a fairly even basis.

I wonder if the Hawks could loan him to a Swedish team and keep his rights.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 27 @ 5:50 PM ET
Ian Cole would be a good place to start.
- RickJ


You like his game? In what role, Rick? ........ Just looked him up to find out how old he was and didn't realize he's such a big man at 220lbs. Guy can skate. ..... At 29 yrs old he has to be looking for at least 3 yrs.

Thoughts on John Moore, Rick, or anyone else?
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 27 @ 5:54 PM ET
The Hawks could wait until the last day before the season to make the move. By then most teams would have their goalie situation ironed out. If they claimed Forsberg they would probably have to drop their backup to an AHL team. It is a little dicey, but he could clear waivers.

I like Forsberg long term also. But I think his best option would be sharing the net with Delia in Rockford on a fairly even basis.

I wonder if the Hawks could loan him to a Swedish team and keep his rights.

- -Doh-


I like the way you think, Doh!! Maybe there is a work around to losing him to waivers?

Also you might be right that to claim Forsberg a club would have to send their #2 down and assuming he's on a 1 way their guy would be exposed to waivers too? ............. Maybe Forsberg could make it thru waivers?
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:55 PM ET
I’ve hoped for a Blackhawk acquisition of a Craig Anderson for a few years, and the Hossa for Anderson deal makes sense for both teams, perhaps with other pieces added by either/both teams.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:57 PM ET
I’ve hoped for a Blackhawk acquisition of a Craig Anderson for a few years, and the Hossa for Anderson deal makes sense for both teams, perhaps with other pieces added by either/both teams.
- scottak



everyone is saying Cam Ward to the Hawks done
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jun 27 @ 6:03 PM ET
For me it all comes down to price and term. Ward is not my first choice (or second choice), but for the right price he does have some veteran experience that can be valuable. Who knows how he will do with another team and coaching staff. After watching Darling crash and burn after changing teams you have to wonder if the issue is really in net or if the issue is deeper than that. I personally think goalie coaches don't get enough credit.

I think if they do sign Ward is isn't about replacing Crawford. I.e. they feel Crawford really is going to be fine and they realize they need to address the backup role. If they thought Crawford was gonna really be out long term, I think they'd be aiming higher, IMO.

- breadbag

Agree on both accounts. Ward is not my top choice either. Prefer Bernier but he's asking north of $3MM and likely more than 2 years given he's not yet 30 while Ward could be had for around $2.5MM for 1-2 years as a mid-30 year old.

To your other point, my gut is Crawford is not healthy and realistically not going to play a large proportion of the season hence the need for a goalie with experience but not necessarily to be the #1 tender long term. If that was the case, agree, the Hawks would be aiming higher for a true #1 goalie in his prime now or on the cusp of it.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 27 @ 6:04 PM ET
I’ve hoped for a Blackhawk acquisition of a Craig Anderson for a few years, and the Hossa for Anderson deal makes sense for both teams, perhaps with other pieces added by either/both teams.
- scottak


I don't think this is out of the question. Anderson can still play and he'd be coming home. I don't think he'd object to backing up a healthy Crow and if need be can be the starter. ........ But you'd have 10 mil into the goalie position for 2 yrs.

Plus maybe the thing could be expanded as OTT has some attractive players #1 being Stone and 3C Pageau or a Cody Ceci at 24 yrs old to play along side Keith.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 27 @ 6:05 PM ET
everyone is saying Cam Ward to the Hawks done
- mrpaulish


I'm ok with that. I don't think there's a fool-proof option for the 2G position and among the UFAs Ward is a solid choice. I wonder if the Hawks will carry 3 goalies?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 27 @ 6:11 PM ET
You guys wanted action, you got action.

Time to clock out and call it a day.

- Stan_Bowman


You've had a great day, go treat yourself to an extra tall glass of chocolate milk. But not too close to bedtime, we don't want another accident....
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Jun 27 @ 6:11 PM ET
Khoudobin should be the target, unless SB is looking for “a guy” who may sign only a one year deal (read: Ward).

Khoudobin’s agent said yesterday he is testing the free agent market, so I think he does not stay in Boston and gets paid more money AAV and longer term than the Hawks are comfy spending.
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