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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:34 PM ET
The Hawks will be below .500 by December, and Q qill get launched. From then on out, there will be a youth movement, and we can look forward to the 2019 draft. Lose for Hughes

https://www.youtube.com/w...ontinue=249&v=wAy1lEW-qYg

- Dieselhead



my first two rounds of the 2019 nhl mov=ck draft are up on DraftSite.com

See if you can find that somewhere (except for the guys that took my list and rearranged yesterday or today on HockeysFuture...
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:37 PM ET
Forsberg was better than Ward
- Ogilthorpe2


nope
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:39 PM ET
1-year / 2.5M for Ward (as per @Chris Johnston)... just as I predicted. I'm not right often... but I'll be sure to point it out when I am. Ha.
- Justin Lowe


Take while you can being right i m sure your hardly even right at your house hold ha ha ha !!!
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jun 28 @ 10:43 PM ET
Take while you can being right i m sure your hardly even right at your house hold ha ha ha !!!
- Scott1977


Boy are you ever right there!
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:48 PM ET
Agreed.

I'm not getting too worked up about a 1-year / 2.5M Ward deal because A) I want to see what the other goalies sign for B) need to see what Stan's master plan is; I say after this they still bring in a top 4 D (maybe another veteran D as well), a centre and maybe a Wingels. C) the Hawks finally have a little cap space to play with. D) Maybe most importantly, to see how the Corey Crawford saga continues because the Hawks may need Ward and Forsberg full-time this year (which will be disastrous but better than Forsberg/Delia).

- Justin Lowe

That’s debatable.

I feel like that $2.5 could have been spent better elsewhere. There’s no need to throw money at a goalie if the only goalies available suck. I’d much rather roll dice on cheap unknown with potential than waste valuable cap space on someone who hasn’t been good for years.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:48 PM ET
nope
- wiz1901

100% yes.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:53 PM ET
my first two rounds of the 2019 nhl mov=ck draft are up on DraftSite.com

See if you can find that somewhere (except for the guys that took my list and rearranged yesterday or today on HockeysFuture...

- wiz1901

Pronman had his up on The Athletic on Monday
DK002
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Evanston, IL
Joined: 06.12.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:55 PM ET
Continued disgraceful decisions by this organization. Seriously 2.5 M ??? That's ridiculous.

I can't wait to hear the Bowman Babble on how lucky they are to get a Stanley Cup winning goalie. Wow.

- Hawkytalk



TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 28 @ 10:55 PM ET
That’s debatable.

I feel like that $2.5 could have been spent better elsewhere. There’s no need to throw money at a goalie if the only goalies available suck. I’d much rather roll dice on cheap unknown with potential than waste valuable cap space on someone who hasn’t been good for years.

- Ogilthorpe2

Like who?

$2.5 million is nothing in today's market place. Unless you're bringing in an AHL-fodder or giving a kid from like the ECHL a back-up role, no goalie will come much cheaper than that.

Look at this list and filter it by the Average (ascending) column: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/contracts/goaltender/

The goalies making less than $2.5M a year are either goalies who are about to break the bank (like Hellebuyck, Gibson, Kinkaid, etc.), veteran goalies who ride the shuttle between the NHL and AHL (like Zatkoff, Lindback, Subban, etc.) or old flame outs who will not likely be in the league next year like Niemi, Budaj, etc.

Looking at the list of other goalies making ~$2.5M, Ward's deal is absolutely reasonable, especially considering the fact that he actually has years of experience of carrying a heavy workload. It's also a one-year commitment, not a multi-year like Bernier and Hutton will get.

It's fine. Let's all settle down.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:58 PM ET
Like who?

$2.5 million is nothing in today's market place. Unless you're bringing in an AHL-fodder or giving a kid from like the ECHL a back-up role, no goalie will come much cheaper than that.

Look at this list and filter it by the Average (ascending) column: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/contracts/goaltender/

The goalies making less than $2.5M a year are either goalies who are about to break the bank (like Hellebuyck, Gibson, Kinkaid, etc.), veteran goalies who ride the shuttle between the NHL and AHL (like Zatkoff, Lindback, Subban, etc.) or old flame outs who will not likely be in the league next year like Niemi, Budaj, etc.

Looking at the list of other goalies making ~$2.5M, Ward's deal is absolutely reasonable, especially considering the fact that he actually has years of experience of carrying a heavy workload. It's also a one-year commitment, not a multi-year like Bernier and Hutton will get.

It's fine. Let's all settle down.

- TommyHawk


Plus its only a one year deal. Wins 2x the games he loses, 2.70 GAA.

Every year.

If the Hawks can’t score more than three a night most nights they have much bigger problems.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 28 @ 10:59 PM ET
Ward last year 23-14-4?
Forsberg 10-16-4?

So Forsberg is better than Ward, oh that's right we're going with the save percentage of .02% points better, not the experienced goalie who can win games in NHL

My bad .002% points better
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:04 PM ET
Ward...whatever he can give...certainly not a move to right the ship.

We're gonna see what Bowman is really made of now. Piddling around the edges while Hall of Fame players carry the mail is no longer the reality. He's gonna have to actually build a team...not be handed one.
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jun 28 @ 11:05 PM ET
That’s debatable.

I feel like that $2.5 could have been spent better elsewhere. There’s no need to throw money at a goalie if the only goalies available suck. I’d much rather roll dice on cheap unknown with potential than waste valuable cap space on someone who hasn’t been good for years.

- Ogilthorpe2


How come our illustrious GM can't figure that one out?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 28 @ 11:06 PM ET
No major issues with Ward...still, certainly not a move to right the ship.

We're gonna see what Bowman is really made of now. Piddling around the edges while Hall of Fame players carry the mail is no longer the reality. He's gonna have to actually build a team...not be handed one.

- kwolf68


I think if CC is healthy, i see Ward being used as trade bait before the deadline, time to stockpile draft picks
AusHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Melbourne
Joined: 11.25.2015

Jun 28 @ 11:09 PM ET
I think if CC is healthy, i see Ward being used as trade bait before the deadline, time to stockpile draft picks
- BetweenTheDots


Alternatively, what if Ward plays well enough and one of Forsberg/Delia/Nalimov/whoever else is in the pipeline steps up as well. Does that make Crow expendable?
Highly unlikely to me, but strange things have happened before
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:10 PM ET
I think if CC is healthy, i see Ward being used as trade bait before the deadline, time to stockpile draft picks
- BetweenTheDots


Unlikely...You know award will have a NTC.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 28 @ 11:11 PM ET
Alternatively, what if Ward plays well enough and one of Forsberg/Delia/Nalimov/whoever else is in the pipeline steps up as well. Does that make Crow expendable?
Highly unlikely to me, but strange things have happened before

- AusHawk


At this juncture anything is possible, it's going to be an interesting year
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:11 PM ET
I think if CC is healthy, i see Ward being used as trade bait before the deadline, time to stockpile draft picks
- BetweenTheDots


I actually am good with Ward as a BU to Crow. If the Hawks tank, trade them both. If they do well, may need both to make a run. Ward has won a Cup before.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 28 @ 11:12 PM ET
Unlikely...You know award will have a NTC.
- DarthKane


I sure hope so
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 28 @ 11:14 PM ET
I actually am good with Ward as a BU to Crow. If the Hawks tank, trade them both. If they do well, may need both to make a run. Ward has won a Cup before.
- kwolf68

Niemi won a cup before too but he was still a bad goalie the last few years. Ward's cup came in his rookie season and he's not been close to replicating that playoff's run of luck.
eagle50
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: ON
Joined: 07.13.2012

Jun 28 @ 11:15 PM ET
I think they added the recapture penalties to the structure of the CBA to give the appearance of punishing teams who circumvented the cap. I also think they know that imposing punishment after the fact for contracts that the league approved (begrudgingly) at the time they were signed is bs. So as long as teams płay the game, and make sure there is a “legit” reason the player cannot finish out his contract the league will just let it go away quietly.
- Ogilthorpe2

Thanks Olgie but it would be nice to see someone go rouge.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 28 @ 11:16 PM ET
Niemi won a cup before too but he was still a bad goalie the last few years. Ward's cup came in his rookie season and he's not been close to replicating that playoff's run of luck.
- L_B_R


I know this. I don't like this move...I wanted Bernier or Lehner....but it's what the great MBA baby gave us so I want to try to spin it to be positive.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 28 @ 11:17 PM ET
Niemi won a cup before too but he was still a bad goalie the last few years. Ward's cup came in his rookie season and he's not been close to replicating that playoff's run of luck.
- L_B_R


True but 3 years of playing on a weak Carolina team and he's had a winning record? We'll see
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:25 PM ET
Like who?

$2.5 million is nothing in today's market place. Unless you're bringing in an AHL-fodder or giving a kid from like the ECHL a back-up role, no goalie will come much cheaper than that.

Look at this list and filter it by the Average (ascending) column: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/contracts/goaltender/

The goalies making less than $2.5M a year are either goalies who are about to break the bank (like Hellebuyck, Gibson, Kinkaid, etc.), veteran goalies who ride the shuttle between the NHL and AHL (like Zatkoff, Lindback, Subban, etc.) or old flame outs who will not likely be in the league next year like Niemi, Budaj, etc.

Looking at the list of other goalies making ~$2.5M, Ward's deal is absolutely reasonable, especially considering the fact that he actually has years of experience of carrying a heavy workload. It's also a one-year commitment, not a multi-year like Bernier and Hutton will get.

It's fine. Let's all settle down.

- TommyHawk


I don’t need to look at any lists. We’ve got Forsberg and Delia already on the roster, and Ward is not gonna be any better than they would be. He’s had years of experience, and carried a heavy workload in the past alright....and he’s sucked (bottom 5 in the league) doing it. Why would we want to spen $2.5 on an aging bottom 5 goalie?

This deal makes no sense. I’ve been a fairly strong Bowman supporter over the years, but he’s really starting to piss me off.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:35 PM ET
I don’t need to look at any lists. We’ve got Forsberg and Delia already on the roster, and Ward is not gonna be any better than they would be. He’s had years of experience, and carried a heavy workload in the past alright....and he’s sucked (bottom 5 in the league) doing it. Why would we want to spen $2.5 on an aging bottom 5 goalie?

This deal makes no sense. I’ve been a fairly strong Bowman supporter over the years, but he’s really starting to piss me off.

- Ogilthorpe2


Ogi - would you feel better if Stan made a trade for cap space, and then signed Jack Johnson? Perspective my friend.
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