Agree to disagree. I see a lot more usefulness and value in Seabrook.
- L_B_R

Agree

IF David Peron ends up here that money and NMC would make sense...…..
- SteveRain

De Haan for 1.7M for 1 year? I doubt it.

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- TommyHawk[/img]

Projections according to an article in The Atlantic.

Some very interesting contract possibilities here...

JvR, James Neal, Jumbo Joe (not happening), Derek Ryan/Riley Nash (if AA is moved), Daniel Carr (4th line high-effort), Calvin de Haan (no brainer) all are enticing for their contract projections...

I'd do that JVR deal in a heartbeat - that's great term, which is why I don't think it's what he's looking for. I might do that Bozak deal too, maybe, but Anisimov would have to be moved. Derek Ryan is interesting still even at that price.

Perron is ridiculous, so no; Maroon at that price is too hot, even if I think he is useful.

If De Haan goes with a low cost 1-year deal, I don't think it'll be with the Hawks. He'll probably go back to the Isles or to a team like Toronto where he can maximize output with their young offensive group. Moore is too much for a guy who isn't a sure thing top 4 Hickey's amount / term is pretty decent but he's still really a 4/5 as well.

I'd do that JVR deal in a heartbeat - that's great term, which is why I don't think it's what he's looking for. I might do that Bozak deal too, maybe, but Anisimov would have to be moved. Derek Ryan is interesting still even at that price.

Perron is ridiculous, so no; Maroon at that price is too hot, even if I think he is useful.

If De Haan goes with a low cost 1-year deal, I don't think it'll be with the Hawks. He'll probably go back to the Isles or to a team like Toronto where he can maximize output with their young offensive group. Moore is too much for a guy who isn't a sure thing top 4 Hickey's amount / term is pretty decent but he's still really a 4/5 as well.
- L_B_R

At these cap hits, get JVR, de Haan and Pateryn! Get it done, Stan!

Projections according to an article in The Atlantic.

Some very interesting contract possibilities here...

JvR, James Neal, Jumbo Joe (not happening), Derek Ryan/Riley Nash (if AA is moved), Daniel Carr (4th line high-effort), Calvin de Haan (no brainer) all are enticing for their contract projections...
- TommyHawk

Interesting projections. I see a lot of those as being too low, but also see ones like Maroon and Perron being way too high. Its called silly season for a reason though.

At these cap hits, get JVR, de Haan and Pateryn! Get it done, Stan!
- tvetter

JVR isn't coming to Chicago. He's going to max out in a bidding war, a war the Hawks can't play in. JVR is this year's special "Who is going to vastly overpay for this guy" poster child. Hawks need to address their pathetic center options. Though I do like the two D-men you mention. de Haan could be in top 4 and GP could be a capable bottom guy. If you bring in those two, other D-men would need to be moved out, maybe for a CENTER.

At these cap hits, get JVR, de Haan and Pateryn! Get it done, Stan!
- tvetter

And Roussel and Neal.......... Love The Athletic but some of these projections are wacky.

Hawks have PLENTY of wings:
Kane, Saad, ADB, Schmaltz (maybe if he can't ever learn to win draws), Vinnie, Hayden, Sikura...There is enough talent and upside in that group that I think they could be fine....

The obsession with getting EVERY winger on the market no matter the fit, age, speed or price is trading card mentality and does nothing to address the Hawks weakness.

Those pining for Jay Beagle...THEY are at least making sense. No it's not the wonderful James Neal, rather its a bottom 6 center who is a beast on faceoffs and is a deadly PK player. IE, he fits a huge need.

The defense needs upgrades as well. The ONLY type of winger I'd want is a physical guy...not necessarily a top 6 guy, but someone hard to play against and can get to the dirty areas.

Players like Neal make ZERO sense, unless you were that one type of player from making a run at the Cup. Which they are not.

Thanks...…

All seriousness.....if Toronto misses on Tavares, wonder if Babcock's massive hard on for Toews could get that deal out of here? Say for Nylander? No money retained?

That's a dream.....just blow this baby up. Send Keith out east.

They D help, they need F help, and sadly the only way they are going to get that is basically swapping out chairs on the titanic. Trade 15, create another hole, sign X. Trade Murphy, create a hole, sign Y......and on it goes.
- SteveRain

Agreed 100%. Just BLOW IT UP, BLOW IT UP, BLOW IT UP baby !!

And that specifically includes Quenneville.
If Crawford is not deemed 100% and they're going to sign a has been in Ward, there's absolutely no reason to not attempt your recommendations.

Crawford is the main reason this team had any success in 16 and 17 with numerous goalie wins behind that atrocious defensive system of Quenneville's.
Without a completely healthy and stellar Corey Crawford, this is a last place team once again. Something this organization refuses to accept.

Hawks have PLENTY of wings:
Kane, Saad, ADB, Schmaltz (maybe if he can't ever learn to win draws), Vinnie, Hayden, Sikura...There is enough talent and upside in that group that I think they could be fine....

The obsession with getting EVERY winger on the market no matter the fit, age, speed or price is trading card mentality and does nothing to address the Hawks weakness.

Those pining for Jay Beagle...THEY are at least making sense. No it's not the wonderful James Neal, rather its a bottom 6 center who is a beast on faceoffs and is a deadly PK player. IE, he fits a huge need.

The defense needs upgrades as well. The ONLY type of winger I'd want is a physical guy...not necessarily a top 6 guy, but someone hard to play against and can get to the dirty areas.

Players like Neal make ZERO sense, unless you were that one type of player from making a run at the Cup. Which they are not.
- kwolf68

I hear you, but there is a lack of diversity amongst that Winger core.

All those guys are very talented, but of the same mold.

I don't care if it makes me sound like a caveman, but they need some physicality upfront and guys who can compliment those really skilled (and smallish) Wingers that we have.

Agreed 100%. Just BLOW IT UP, BLOW IT UP, BLOW IT UP baby !!

And that specifically includes Quenneville.
If Crawford is not deemed 100% and they're going to sign a has been in Ward, there's absolutely no reason to not attempt your recommendations.

Crawford is the main reason this team had any success in 16 and 17 with numerous goalie wins behind that atrocious defensive system of Quenneville's.
Without a completely healthy and stellar Corey Crawford, this is a last place team once again. Something this organization refuses to accept.
- Hawkytalk

Hawks a most arrogant organization. Which is why they will go after/sign/trade for "names", as opposed to younger players with upside. "Names" gets people excited, talking, helps marketing....the more shrewd trades that may not be initially palatable or marketable are the ones the Hawks should look at. Alas, would not shock me to see the Hawks get older and slower this off-season...as GM and coach make one last push to save their jobs.

I hear you, but there is a lack of diversity amongst that Winger core.

All those guys are very talented, but of the same mold.

I don't care if it makes me sound like a caveman, but they need some physicality upfront and guys who can compliment those really skilled (and smallish) Wingers that we have.
- Hank3Henshaw

Then move one for a different style player with similar upside. Do not use resources in terms of cap hits or prospects to go get aging and overpriced veteran wingers. Especially when the team is very deficient on D and at Center. Not to mention the huge looming question in net.

Then move one for a different style player with similar upside. Do not use resources in terms of cap hits or prospects to go get aging and overpriced veteran wingers. Especially when the team is very deficient on D and at Center. Not to mention the huge looming question in net.
- kwolf68

Yea. Valid points.

Agreed 100%. Just BLOW IT UP, BLOW IT UP, BLOW IT UP baby !!

And that specifically includes Quenneville.
If Crawford is not deemed 100% and they're going to sign a has been in Ward, there's absolutely no reason to not attempt your recommendations.

Crawford is the main reason this team had any success in 16 and 17 with numerous goalie wins behind that atrocious defensive system of Quenneville's.
Without a completely healthy and stellar Corey Crawford, this is a last place team once again. Something this organization refuses to accept.
- Hawkytalk

Agreed but they are concerned, or should be, that the new wave of "One goal" fans won't turn out or sit in the stands for a rebuild. Which is what they need.....

The sooner they realize this and stop adding veteran names who are washed up and on the cheap, see Cam Ward vs Forsberg, the better off they will be. The longer they wait the more time it will take once they do realize it, and the more years they waste away 88s prime years.

Adding a Bozak and dealing an AA and trading for Faulk is just exchanging what you have....maybe a slight upgrade here or there, but with the cap higher and teams with a LOT of room......I don't see a JVR coming here to"play for a winner" because in all honesty.....he probably has better options to win with other teams.

I can't wait to hear the spin/stall tactics once Wards signing is announced. Do I dare ask if any of the media sheep in this town will press Bowman on how that impacts CC given that the math of having 3 goalies doesn't work? Nope....they'll eat the nuggets right up just like they did with Turco and we all saw how that worked out.....

Hawks a most arrogant organization. Which is why they will go after/sign/trade for "names", as opposed to younger players with upside. "Names" gets people excited, talking, helps marketing....the more shrewd trades that may not be initially palatable or marketable are the ones the Hawks should look at. Alas, would not shock me to see the Hawks get older and slower this off-season...as GM and coach make one last push to save their jobs.
- kwolf68

Agreed and they just made one.....Ward

Agreed and they just made one.....Ward
- SteveRain

Ward is official?

Yea. Valid points.
- Hank3Henshaw

I also recognize one of those talented wingers you mention may need to be included in a trade. I would NOT be opposed, especially if the trade was done correctly and addressed (really addressed) the Hawks issues.

At current the Hawks have exactly ONE SINGLE legit Top 4 Dman. Keith, and the wear on his tires is also showing, but he can still move like the wind so I think there is gas left in that tank. The other guys? Absolutely none provide confidence as a Top 4 D man. .... that all said, an argument can be made Q no longer knows what the hell he is doing at D and maybe he is retarding the progress of some of those guys, much like what appeared to happen with Kempny.

To that end, more questions....This is the last rung at the bell. Hawks either show progress, make the playoffs or GM and Coach will be history.

Agreed and they just made one.....Ward
- SteveRain

Would have rather had Bernier or even Lehner. I know Lehner has been spotty, but at one time he was considered a top goalie prospect and the guy is STILL ONLY 26 years old. Maybe get Waite to coach him up and unleash his potential. Instead, Stan is going into the throwback file to pick up a guy who was last good in 2010.

Hawks have PLENTY of wings:
Kane, Saad, ADB, Schmaltz (maybe if he can't ever learn to win draws), Vinnie, Hayden, Sikura...There is enough talent and upside in that group that I think they could be fine....

The obsession with getting EVERY winger on the market no matter the fit, age, speed or price is trading card mentality and does nothing to address the Hawks weakness.

Those pining for Jay Beagle...THEY are at least making sense. No it's not the wonderful James Neal, rather its a bottom 6 center who is a beast on faceoffs and is a deadly PK player. IE, he fits a huge need.

The defense needs upgrades as well. The ONLY type of winger I'd want is a physical guy...not necessarily a top 6 guy, but someone hard to play against and can get to the dirty areas.

Players like Neal make ZERO sense, unless you were that one type of player from making a run at the Cup. Which they are not.
- kwolf68

Beagle would be one of my first gets if I'm a GM.

That guy is relentless.

I'm pro rebuild at this point but I'd love to be persuaded as to how this team instantly goes from out of the playoffs to legit cup contender. I'll give you the basics....

1. I'll give you CC somewhat healthy for 60 games, and ward as your back up
2. I'll give you a 60 pt Toews, a decent Keith, and Saad popping 25

From there.....I just can't wrap my head around how this team can run a gauntlet of Winnipeg, Nashville and SJ and then beat a Toronto or Wash or Pitts

Remember at this point nobody is taking Hossa so to move him you would need to throw in at least a pick IF not a decent player.....

Just curious to see how you guys can get to this point after seeing such a widening of the talent gap between them and the upper echelon teams.
- SteveRain

While nothing is instant, preseason projections don't really mean all that much. Anybody here seriously have the Knights being anything much more that bottom 5 in the league?

I'm not going against your thought pattern (because I find most of it completely valid). I'm just saying that we have bits and pieces of what might be done. We don't know if/when Corey is back and how that affects other moves and players around them. We have no idea what any of the completed lines will be, or if the coaching staff will possibly have some changes in approach.

I wouldn't place any bets on that last one, but we just don't know yet.

Beagle would be one of my first gets if I'm a GM.

That guy is relentless.
- vabeachbear

He's terrific. Not a sexy name, but immediately helps the PK and can be called on to take important D-zone faceoffs. Would also limit the wear and tear on Toews having to do the PK dirty work as well. It would be a terrific under the radar sign. Also put 30 points on the board two years ago, which isn't half bad for the role he plays.

Given that he's 32 years old I wouldn't want to go LT, but a 2 year deal while we wait to see if Luke Johnson can assume that same role in the meantime wouldn't be bad.

Rick Nash might be done:

https://nhl.nbcsports.com...t-nhl-return-next-season/

Hawks have PLENTY of wings:
Kane, Saad, ADB, Schmaltz (maybe if he can't ever learn to win draws), Vinnie, Hayden, Sikura...There is enough talent and upside in that group that I think they could be fine....

The obsession with getting EVERY winger on the market no matter the fit, age, speed or price is trading card mentality and does nothing to address the Hawks weakness.

Those pining for Jay Beagle...THEY are at least making sense. No it's not the wonderful James Neal, rather its a bottom 6 center who is a beast on faceoffs and is a deadly PK player. IE, he fits a huge need.

The defense needs upgrades as well. The ONLY type of winger I'd want is a physical guy...not necessarily a top 6 guy, but someone hard to play against and can get to the dirty areas.

Players like Neal make ZERO sense, unless you were that one type of player from making a run at the Cup. Which they are not.
- kwolf68

Hawks have a top 4 of an under performing Toews, Kane, under performing Saad, Schmaltz a good winger playing center.

Other than ADB Sikura/Vinnie/Hayden have proven little to nothing at the NHL level let alone the top 6 yet show potential.

Playing trading card GMing, your clearing up clouded thinking, was based on the mostly idiotic list above on hit and term, was commented by most in jest, at least by me. Sure add De Haan at ONE yr at 1.7 mil???? A JVR is gonna take 3 yrs????

Hawks have a top 4 of an under performing Toews, Kane, under performing Saad, Schmaltz a good winger playing center.

Other than ADB Sikura/Vinnie/Hayden have proven little to nothing at the NHL level let alone the top 6 yet show potential.

Playing trading card GMing, your clearing up clouded thinking, was based on the mostly idiotic list above on hit and term, was commented by most in jest, at least by me. Sure add De Haan at ONE yr at 1.7 mil???? A JVR is gonna take 3 yrs????
- Mr Ricochet

Neither are logical. JVR is priced out the Hawks market. Period. We could get de Haan, but it's gonna take more than 1.7 to get it done.

Don't get all this Murphy love? I understand he's one of the rare size defenders we have, but i honestly wonder who would win between Seabrook and Murphy in which player had the quicker first 3 steps, Murphy first step is sooooo slow.