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Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 28 @ 12:58 PM ET
Actually Ward’s last contact was two years at $3.3m. Personally I wouldn’t want him (if that’s what we’re going to do) for any more than one year at about half of that amount of money, say $1.5m - $1.75m
- walleyeb1


Walleye, I'm ok over paying for a ONE yr deal. Hard to get guys who aren't 14th forwards to sign for just 1 yr. Rather over pay than give term.

I just don't want dead wood on a longer deal and that includes JVR and the rest. If the Hawks only had 1-2 holes to fill fine, but they have 6-7 holes and if Crow can't go it's not fixable for this yr, period.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 28 @ 12:59 PM ET
The hatred for panarin on here by some is comical. When Bowman signed him for 2 years and 6 million, you knew where that was going LT and the Hawks couldn't afford it.

NOw as far as Saad goes....turning point in his career....he either bounces back or becomes a 6 million anchor that needs to go in March.

- SteveRain


I doubt anyone (or many) here hate Panarin.

We just recognize his shortcomings.

Such as - before enshrining him in Toronto - let him lead his team to a first round playoff win - not disappear like he did in his last two when the series were on the line - all four against Nashville and the last three against the Caps.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:01 PM ET
Lucic with the Hawks...


- L_B_R


Who would be your targets for the Hawks, LBR?
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 28 @ 1:04 PM ET
That may be but I'm just thinking on the level of too much term for the $ and age. Two contracts that don't look good in the second half of the deal.
- breadbag

Sure, but you still keep the more useful player now. If Lucic is already worse (which he is) then there is no point swapping players.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 28 @ 1:06 PM ET
Sure, but you still keep the more useful player now. If Lucic is already worse (which he is) then there is no point swapping players.
- L_B_R


Lucic is no worse (or better) than Seabrook. They both are washed up. Both are slow, good players 5 years ago. Lucic scored 34 pts last year, paltry, but no worse than Seabrooks play on the blue line.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:08 PM ET
Lucic is no worse (or better) than Seabrook. They both are washed up. Both are slow, good players 5 years ago. Lucic scored 34 pts last year, paltry, but no worse than Seabrooks play on the blue line.
- kwolf68


Bring in Lucic and have him park himself in front of the net. That's all I want from him. Well, some physicality, too.
StutzBlackhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: LaGrange, IL
Joined: 10.31.2016

Jun 28 @ 1:11 PM ET
What IF Crawford does not come back, is Cam Ward your best solution ?
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 28 @ 1:14 PM ET
This place isn't much fun anymore i use to be a regular and now am looking for other places because of petty childish posters.
- SaskHawkFan


We are working on it, I'm not sure why there is an anonymous tough guy mentality that the only reason is to disrupt the boards.

Best course of action is to ignore the BS post and engage with the posters that want to discuss hockey.

Any issues let Justin know and he'll contact of of the refs for assistance.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Jun 28 @ 1:15 PM ET
What IF Crawford does not come back, is Cam Ward your best solution ?
- StutzBlackhawk



No, he sucks. Not sure why they even sign him to a 1 year deal. If crow isn't coming back, (which I think he's done) sign Halak or Bernier for 2-3 years while your up and coming prospects mature.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 28 @ 1:16 PM ET
Who would be your targets for the Hawks, LBR?
- Hank3Henshaw

My targets are well known.

UFA forwards: JVR and Riley Nash are the big 2, though only for the right price. Derek Ryan, Beagle, Perron, Maroon, and Grabner are all decent-ish options for specific roles.

UFA d-men: De Haan and I guess Moore? Moore is really more a 4/5 but pretty much everyone else out there are pretty much true bottom pair guys and we don't need anymore of those.

Trades are harder because info on who is potentially available is less known. Out of Ottawa, Pageau is the top center I like that is potentially available while Zack Smith wouldn't be bad either but his cap hit is about $1m over his value and he's signed a year too long. I don't know enough about wingers available. I like the idea of Faulk for the right price - he definitely has warts, but I think he'd be better with Keith than on Carolina.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:18 PM ET
Just for fun:

Since it seems I'm the only pro-Ward guy (if the Hawks get him), I'd like to do a friendly bet with the board.

I bet Ward plays better than expected.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 28 @ 1:19 PM ET
And my opinion is that AdB’s development as a complete hockey player would have been enhanced with some time in Rockford.
- StLBravesFan


I think so too, but his Hockey IQ has been solid and he did pick up things quicker than most. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Hawks try him with 19+88 at some point soon, because I think he can find those soft areas and think the game well enough to get into a good cycle with 19+88.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 28 @ 1:19 PM ET
Lucic is no worse (or better) than Seabrook. They both are washed up. Both are slow, good players 5 years ago. Lucic scored 34 pts last year, paltry, but no worse than Seabrooks play on the blue line.
- kwolf68

Agree to disagree. I see a lot more usefulness and value in Seabrook.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:20 PM ET
My targets are well known.

UFA forwards: JVR and Riley Nash are the big 2, though only for the right price. Derek Ryan, Beagle, Perron, Maroon, and Grabner are all decent-ish options for specific roles.

UFA d-men: De Haan and I guess Moore? Moore is really more a 4/5 but pretty much everyone else out there are pretty much true bottom pair guys and we don't need anymore of those.

Trades are harder because info on who is potentially available is less known. Out of Ottawa, Pageau is the top center I like that is potentially available while Zack Smith wouldn't be bad either but his cap hit is about $1m over his value and he's signed a year too long. I don't know enough about wingers available. I like the idea of Faulk for the right price - he definitely has warts, but I think he'd be better with Keith than on Carolina.

- L_B_R


Dig the insight

I'd love to get R Nash or Maroon. Scooping up De Haan would be really nice, but is he fully-recovered? I'm still pro-Faulk, too.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 1:20 PM ET
Not that it matters Steve....but....

Winnipeg 0%

Hawks 75%

Habs 25%

- hawk35



Thanks...…

All seriousness.....if Toronto misses on Tavares, wonder if Babcock's massive hard on for Toews could get that deal out of here? Say for Nylander? No money retained?

That's a dream.....just blow this baby up. Send Keith out east.

They D help, they need F help, and sadly the only way they are going to get that is basically swapping out chairs on the titanic. Trade 15, create another hole, sign X. Trade Murphy, create a hole, sign Y......and on it goes.
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 28 @ 1:20 PM ET
JJ said Hawks have added Simmonds to their power forwatd list
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 28 @ 1:22 PM ET
Sure, but you still keep the more useful player now. If Lucic is already worse (which he is) then there is no point swapping players.
- L_B_R

First, there is no way the Hawks make a trade like that on a 1 for 1 basis. A Dman like Seabs can be properly utilized in sheltered minutes and matchups. Hell, the Hawks have always used guys like Rozy, Sopel and Nick Boynton in beneficial ways. Sure can't do that with a forward like Lucic. It just becomes a very costly role for #7 to wind up performing, but he's got the contract.

On the other hand, if there are additional pieces available from the Oilers that are really attractive and are only available on the condition that Lucic is part of the deal and Seabs is on the other end, Bowman has no choice but to consider it.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 1:22 PM ET
Agree to disagree. I see a lot more usefulness and value in Seabrook.
- L_B_R


His deal is awful, not his fault, but I'd say his decline is just as even as Keith's and Seabrook at least has size so even has he slows down he can be somewhat useful Keith's whole game is speed and poke check.....and without his explosiveness he gets exposed very poorly...….
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:23 PM ET
JJ said Hawks have added Simmonds to their power forwatd list
- ikeane


Oh, baby!

TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:26 PM ET


Projections according to an article in The Atlantic.

Some very interesting contract possibilities here...

JvR, James Neal, Jumbo Joe (not happening), Derek Ryan/Riley Nash (if AA is moved), Daniel Carr (4th line high-effort), Calvin de Haan (no brainer) all are enticing for their contract projections...
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 1:29 PM ET
Dig the insight

I'd love to get R Nash or Maroon. Scooping up De Haan would be really nice, but is he fully-recovered? I'm still pro-Faulk, too.

- Hank3Henshaw


I'm pro rebuild at this point but I'd love to be persuaded as to how this team instantly goes from out of the playoffs to legit cup contender. I'll give you the basics....

1. I'll give you CC somewhat healthy for 60 games, and ward as your back up
2. I'll give you a 60 pt Toews, a decent Keith, and Saad popping 25

From there.....I just can't wrap my head around how this team can run a gauntlet of Winnipeg, Nashville and SJ and then beat a Toronto or Wash or Pitts

Remember at this point nobody is taking Hossa so to move him you would need to throw in at least a pick IF not a decent player.....

Just curious to see how you guys can get to this point after seeing such a widening of the talent gap between them and the upper echelon teams.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 28 @ 1:29 PM ET
Dig the insight

I'd love to get R Nash or Maroon. Scooping up De Haan would be really nice, but is he fully-recovered? I'm still pro-Faulk, too.

- Hank3Henshaw

Patrick Maroon is from St. Louis and I have read that the Blues have approached him about coming home.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 28 @ 1:30 PM ET


Projections according to an article in The Atlantic.

Some very interesting contract possibilities here...

- TommyHawk


IF David Peron ends up here that money and NMC would make sense...…..
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:31 PM ET
I'm pro rebuild at this point but I'd love to be persuaded as to how this team instantly goes from out of the playoffs to legit cup contender. I'll give you the basics....

1. I'll give you CC somewhat healthy for 60 games, and ward as your back up
2. I'll give you a 60 pt Toews, a decent Keith, and Saad popping 25

From there.....I just can't wrap my head around how this team can run a gauntlet of Winnipeg, Nashville and SJ and then beat a Toronto or Wash or Pitts

Remember at this point nobody is taking Hossa so to move him you would need to throw in at least a pick IF not a decent player.....

Just curious to see how you guys can get to this point after seeing such a widening of the talent gap between them and the upper echelon teams.

- SteveRain


Good points, man.

I'm just so curious to see what the roster looks like come October.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 28 @ 1:32 PM ET
IF David Peron ends up here that money and NMC would make sense...…..
- SteveRain

Instant vomit.

But if the team moves AA and replaces him with Bozak, that’s a nice upgrade in itself.
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