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stp1978
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Washington, DC
Joined: 10.22.2007

Jun 23 @ 8:39 PM ET
Is it me or do the number of concussions he's had goes up every few hours?

That's not a knock on you, I just read originally it was one concussion, then some were saying two, and now there's about a handful that have said three.

- L_B_R



Kid's had four concussions, no idea why the Hawks thought #8 was the right spot for a guy that risky.



Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jun 23 @ 8:41 PM ET
If that's the case, what are you upset about? You should be excited for the future with some of those picks.

Just accept your own perception of the team and dont expect them to make the playoffs. Everything they do for the next few years will be for rebuilding, since all those guys are done - by your estimation

- PatShart


I don't expect them to make the playoffs. The picks are encouraging but the rebuilding should be on full swing but it's not hence my frustration of the transition. To me that would be the way to go, holding on to aging core is just dragging out the inevitable and not maximizing your return. The team is done as it stands in terms of winning any more cups . I guess it's a PR or money thing as to why they are choosing this path.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 23 @ 8:42 PM ET
Faulk is an awful player - can we please stop talking about him.
- Z3Hawk

But he's not? I like Faulk. I don't think he's Norris caliber by any means, but he's a d-man in the mold of Letang - mobile PMD but with size. Top pair/4 d-men are hard to come by and he's pretty much the best RD rumored to be available. It may be Faulk or no one.

L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 23 @ 8:44 PM ET
Please explain to me how Tavares feels he deserves Toew/Kane money? He has won nothing yet!

When will GM's learn - Don't pay players before they prove themselves.

- powerenforcer

Part of it is that the NHLPA wants their stars to go for big money - theory is that it'll have a ripple effect of bringing up salaries of all players.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 23 @ 8:51 PM ET
Is it me or do the number of concussions he's had goes up every few hours?

That's not a knock on you, I just read originally it was one concussion, then some were saying two, and now there's about a handful that have said three.

- L_B_R


This is where I found it,

https://oilersnation.com/...s-an-nhl-draft-wild-card/
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 23 @ 8:58 PM ET
Boqvist remains undeterred by dyslexia, although the son of a painter dad and teacher mom admits to daily struggles. While his play on the ice is unaffected, Boqvist finds little enjoyment in the classroom. Fortunately, he has never endured severe bullying over an inability to read and write as well as his peers, and on the bright side he’s on track to graduate high school by summer 2019.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 9:05 PM ET
I was thinking the same thing as I watched this draft.

On another note, this thing with Bettman is getting old to the point where it is an annoying distraction. It is time to grow up and move on. Those so called fans were so hell bent on continuing with this stupidity that they did not realize for a few moments that they were booing during a Broncos team tribute.

- 67hawks


The booing was terrible. The true idiocy actually lies with Bettman. Bettman knows with 100% certainty that he will be booed but he goes out there anyway to do the Broncos’ tribute because he is an ego-maniac. Send someone else out to do the tribute from Central Scouting or the Dallas Stars - how about Mike Modano? Bettman is just such a weasel.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 9:06 PM ET
Wise is a solid pick in the 3rd round. He needs work on his short area burst but that is correctable.
- Elbows15

He was injured for a large swatch of the season.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 9:06 PM ET

Kid's had four concussions, no idea why the Hawks thought #8 was the right spot for a guy that risky.




- stp1978


Why would the Hawks draft a player at 8 who has had 25 concussions?
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 9:09 PM ET
But he's not? I like Faulk. I don't think he's Norris caliber by any means, but he's a d-man in the mold of Letang - mobile PMD but with size. Top pair/4 d-men are hard to come by and he's pretty much the best RD rumored to be available. It may be Faulk or no one.


- L_B_R


Read what Carolina hockey people and fans say about him. The story is rarely truly told in secondary stats.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 9:09 PM ET
Reports on Wise say he is good at faceoffs, can play C or W, smart, good at puck support.

Nordgren reports make him out to be similar to Soderlund and Nilsson: small but relentless with offensive punch.

- AEL_Fox

I would call then entirely different- where Tim Soderlund is pk and energy guy, Nordgren is a pure generator with little to think what/ where he is going with the puck and is pp guy. Just saying...
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 9:10 PM ET
Boqvist remains undeterred by dyslexia, although the son of a painter dad and teacher mom admits to daily struggles. While his play on the ice is unaffected, Boqvist finds little enjoyment in the classroom. Fortunately, he has never endured severe bullying over an inability to read and write as well as his peers, and on the bright side he’s on track to graduate high school by summer 2019.
- walleyeb1


Another reason to be impressed.
Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:11 PM ET
I don't expect them to make the playoffs. The picks are encouraging but the rebuilding should be on full swing but it's not hence my frustration of the transition. To me that would be the way to go, holding on to aging core is just dragging out the inevitable and not maximizing your return. The team is done as it stands in terms of winning any more cups . I guess it's a PR or money thing as to why they are choosing this path.
- Hawkster


How would you deal with and trade the aging core? What's your plan?
stanleyhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Pearisburg, VA
Joined: 07.13.2014

Jun 23 @ 9:15 PM ET
Is it me or do the number of concussions he's had goes up every few hours?

That's not a knock on you, I just read originally it was one concussion, then some were saying two, and now there's about a handful that have said three.

- L_B_R




1+2=3
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 23 @ 9:15 PM ET
I would call then entirely different- where Tom Soderlund is pk and energy guy, Nordgren is a pure generator with little to think what/ where he is going with the puck and is pp guy. Just saying...
- wiz1901


wiz - Nordgren lead U-18 tourney with 8 goals in 7 games - so sometimes he seems to know where he is going.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 9:15 PM ET
Wise weighs 195LBS. That isn't smallish.
- Elbows15

And if it weren’t for the injury that didn’t heal until mid season, he would have jumped up the boards, as he like ty deplaned, makes his line mates better. He’s got some creativity & soft mitts, not a blazer but short area quick and full of energy.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 9:22 PM ET
wiz - Nordgren lead U-18 tourney with 8 goals in 7 games - so sometimes he seems to know where he is going.
- Z3Hawk


I meant he needs little time to think where he is going with it...I coined head smart to that strength.
He’s got that Matt Zuccaello puck pursuit, can make plays at full speed. Adding lower body might get him a bit quicker. He IS a trigger man. In that tourney he was real good early and at the tail end of it, in the middle he kinda was neutralized in tight spaces because he lacked speed the better little guys have but he can get strong and add it. He will either make it or be a bust depending upon his developmental work ethic
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 23 @ 9:25 PM ET
Part of it is that the NHLPA wants their stars to go for big money - theory is that it'll have a ripple effect of bringing up salaries of all players.
- L_B_R

The funny part is that this same NHLPA supports guys like Cooke/Torres/Orpik who take out the high-salaried players.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 23 @ 9:28 PM ET
I don't expect them to make the playoffs. The picks are encouraging but the rebuilding should be on full swing but it's not hence my frustration of the transition. To me that would be the way to go, holding on to aging core is just dragging out the inevitable and not maximizing your return. The team is done as it stands in terms of winning any more cups . I guess it's a PR or money thing as to why they are choosing this path.
- Hawkster


Toews just turned 30. Kane, not yet. Is 30 now old?

Or is the "aging core" - Seabrook, Keith and Crawford? 3 total players over 30 and now they Hawks are "old"?

They did work on rebuilding last year. Plugging in a bunch of guys that had no business being in the NHL, to 1)see what they have and 2)give them a taste of NHL speed. And all that happened was people complained


Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:28 PM ET
I don't expect them to make the playoffs. The picks are encouraging but the rebuilding should be on full swing but it's not hence my frustration of the transition. To me that would be the way to go, holding on to aging core is just dragging out the inevitable and not maximizing your return. The team is done as it stands in terms of winning any more cups . I guess it's a PR or money thing as to why they are choosing this path.
- Hawkster


How would you deal with and trade the aging core? What's your plan?
Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

Jun 23 @ 9:29 PM ET
1+2=3
- stanleyhawk


If you read the Edmonton article, it looks more like 2 1/2 concussions.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 23 @ 9:32 PM ET
The funny part is that this same NHLPA supports guys like Cooke/Torres/Orpik who take out the high-salaried players.
- powerenforcer

They have to support all players, regardless of how scummy. Though supposedly they do have reps that are meant to talk to players about that kind of stuff afterwards, esp suspensions.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 9:34 PM ET
Can we talk about Phillipp Kurashev! First if you names ends in pp, it looks far too
Much like full of pp, so change it.
He is 5 11 almost 180, can create with really nice hands and can get things done at high speed. Has vision anticipation, good East west agility, has to Build a harder stick. At this point downright timid and a perimeter player, needs to try harder in his end. Not trying to bury him just tell u what I think in there and what needs to be...
YOUVHAVE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT JEAN PIERRE PAGEAU - well this is him reborn...
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 9:43 PM ET
If you read the Edmonton article, it looks more like 2 1/2 concussions.
- Dieselhead[/quoute]

Exactly!

I start thinking back the times I was flat out cold as kid from various physicalities including a metal bat to the jaw/teeth collisions that knocked me cold... in the city near the stadium, we played hard, and I bet I had a concussion also
Maybe more, so I say get over it, and let’s see where he takes us and not take him down before gets a chance, ok?
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 23 @ 9:44 PM ET
How would you deal with and trade the aging core? What's your plan?
- Colbyboy

It appears clearly to me what Bowman's plan is. I very strongly suspected what his plan was before this draft unfolded.

My difficulty - and I believe many fans difficulty - is we wanted and hoped, prayed, even sort of expected that Bowman would acquire/make the correct decision pertaining to the draft.

In fact it is like the phrase "I can see clearly now, the rain is gone' which is words from an old early '70's song. Only instead of rain, it is our own way we want to rebuild, our solution for the best choice...that blinded us like the metaphor being the rain in that song.

We need remember two things which guided Bowman in his drafting selections.

One is that he has a principal how to build a team, be that after a Cup tear down and now a couple seasons past that Cup.

He is concerned lastly about grit, toughness, power forwards. He envies the fast skill set and that is why he went after Boqvist. Would have been interesting if Bowman had to decide if Hughes was still available. Would have been interesting also considering point two (which follows)

Point two is that Bowman is tasked with becoming a tougher team to play against. ....more grit, toughness, size.....Bowman will go after that in a draft , even a trade.....sure he will....eventually.

Bowman prefers to see if his own guys can rise up and be tough enough, gritty, do battle for the puck in a scrum. Hence Sharp and Bickel in past years, more so however with emphasis in playoffs.

Right handed dmen are especially desirable and, apparently, lacking in comparison to the amount in number throughout the league. Maybe Bowman isn't sold on the upside of guys he drafted, seeing some of them no more than a second or third pair. Guys like Krys, Mitchell, Jokiharju but Dahlstrom is seen as a third pair type and if he progresses then Snuggerud third pair too..

Boquist is so good at what his strength is, and Boquist is the same way.

Maybe how the roster shakes out by next draft, he has a #1 to choose that Wahlstrom or Brady type.
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