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kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:21 PM ET

Whatever, I am done with arguing about 2014....its been done to death and each side is pretty impervious to change. Q or Bowman walk on water for many of us. I have tried to give both credit where credit is due and have also been critical where necessary. Not sure why that's so hard for some?

I am moving on to discussing current situation, be it trades or the draft.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 22 @ 2:22 PM ET
Recovery time - how long.
Legal or contractual obligations(s) if Crawford has repeat or similar occurance
St Louis Braves poster could weigh in if we knew the mysterious circumstances. Z3 and any other lawyers could weigh in too
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
Bringing this over...

The Grubauer rumors don't necessarily say to me the Hawks think Crawford is done - it says that they want a starter ready for when his deal runs out AND if he goes down again.

Crawford didn't really break out until he was 28, Grubauer is 26 now, and Crawford has 2 years left on his deal - pretty good timing for Grubauer to take over when that deal is complete, much more than the younger guys in the system that are all like 23.

- L_B_R


Grubauer is looking for a starting goalie now spot.

Asked if the Capitals could get a first-rounder for Grubauer, MacLellan said, “yeah, he’s roughly in there,” because of the thin goaltending market this offseason.

“He’s the best option that’s out there,” MacLellan said. “When you look at the past goalies who have gone, it’s probably a late first or an early second.”
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 22 @ 2:25 PM ET
would be hard to turn down, but why would the Sens do this?
- kwolf68


The only reason would be to save real salary. Hossa oly costs 1 mil.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:25 PM ET

In my view, Crawford trade rumors are absurd and a complete waste of bandwidth. Has he even been seen on the ice? What rumor mongers hatched this one? Not only is Crawford NOT PROVEN to be healthy, but he also has a NTC. LMAO at Silly season.

Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 22 @ 2:27 PM ET
Q apologist? So says the Bowman apologist.

Riddle me this...HOW MANY of those Olympic players given to Q were given to him by Stan Bowman?

When Q hits the street with want ads in his hand he'll be looking for work for about 10 minutes. Bowman, not so sure.

- kwolf68


Oh are you barking up the wrong tree. I am the opposite of a Bowman apologist. Just look at recent posts on this actual thread - I thought the Vermette trade was an overpayment. I abhorred the Ladd trade. Plus the Danault trade. Other moves. Bowman has been completely clueless at times.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 22 @ 2:28 PM ET
Grubauer is looking for a starting goalie now spot.

Asked if the Capitals could get a first-rounder for Grubauer, MacLellan said, “yeah, he’s roughly in there,” because of the thin goaltending market this offseason.

“He’s the best option that’s out there,” MacLellan said. “When you look at the past goalies who have gone, it’s probably a late first or an early second.”

- walleyeb1


I'd stay away from sending a 1st for a guy who has only about 100 games in his career if I was a GM.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jun 22 @ 2:28 PM ET
Zhawks misspelled Stanley Bowman. IF Bowman added a legit 2C in 2014 they beat LA. IF Bowman added to the defense group in 2016 opposed to getting bottom 6 forwards, they likely beat STL, and who knows how far they could've gone that year as STL went to the West Finals. Same story in 2017 when he had a terrible 3rd pair.
- EnzoD

No Q would of mishandled them , as he has every player Stan get's him . Like when he press boxed Vermette and TT till Scotty tap him on the shoulder and reminded him who he had, before it was to late ..
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:29 PM ET
Oh are you barking up the wrong tree. I am the opposite of a Bowman apologist. Just look at recent posts on this actual thread - I thought the Vermette trade was an overpayment. I abhorred the Ladd trade. Plus the Danault trade. Other moves. Bowman been completely clueless at times.
- Z3Hawk


Fine. And likewise don't call me a Q apologist.

Vermette at wing? Rolodex. Players who "can't play" for him (Daley, Kempny) end up doing just fine elsewhere.

So we agree to agree to not disagree. Or something. Anyway, I'm focusing on current topics.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
I'd stay away from sending a 1st for a guy who has only about 100 games in his career if I was a GM.
- breadbag


I agree he’s asking way to much, more like a third rounder.
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:31 PM ET
Hawks had enough of a roster to win in 2014 but they took LA too lightly early in the series. They had a deep enough team if they showed up early in the series they would have won the cup.
- breadbag


Yep, down 1-3, lost WCF in OT in game 7. Kings defeated Rangers 4-1 in SCF.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 22 @ 2:32 PM ET
No Q would of mishandled them , as he has every player Stan get's him . Like when he press boxed Vermette and TT till Scotty tap him on the shoulder and reminded him who he had, before it was to late ..
- oldduffman


And Trotz sat Hotlby early in the playoffs...and Burakovsky. And Gallant sat Tatar while playing Reaves.

Things/choices happen that we dont know every decision "why"
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 22 @ 2:35 PM ET
Fine. And likewise don't call me a Q apologist.

Vermette at wing? Rolodex. Players who "can't play" for him (Daley, Kempny) end up doing just fine elsewhere.

So we agree to agree to not disagree. Or something. Anyway, I'm focusing on current topics.

- kwolf68


kwolf - I think it is we agree to agree to disagree until we agree to agree. I think that’s close. Where I’m sure we do agree is today is crazy important and StanBo and Kelley and the rest of the hockey people simply cannot blow this huge opportunity with so much volativity.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:36 PM ET
Whatever, I am done with arguing about 2014....its been done to death and each side is pretty impervious to change. Q or Bowman walk on water for many of us. I have tried to give both credit where credit is due and have also been critical where necessary. Not sure why that's so hard for some?

I am moving on to discussing current situation, be it trades or the draft.

- kwolf68

It has nothing to do with thinking Q/Bowman are prefect - some just disagree with you on which moves (or lack thereof) were mistakes. I mean, it's on record as me hating and thinking some recent moves have been idiotic - Daley for Scuderi for Ehrhoff, Danault for condiments, signing Bouma, moving Hartman, etc etc. I personally hated keeping Handzus too an extra year - Idk how many times I bring up the fact that he was on the ice for only one of Kane's goals despite being his primary center.

There are plenty of people who dislike moves Bowman have made - just because they don't align with your views doesn't mean they aren't critical. Bowman is like most GMs - good and bad. Most of his bad has been in recent years, so here's to hoping that changes.

But yeah, agree to disagree on this particular topic.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:37 PM ET
kwolf - I think it is we agree to agree to disagree until we agree to agree. I think that’s close. Where I’m sure we do agree is today is crazy important and StanBo and Kelley and the rest of the hockey people simply cannot blow this huge opportunity with so much volativity.
- Z3Hawk




Yea I am looking forward to it. I try not to get tied into the ridiculous rumors and I am sure Bowman going to do something NO ONE is rumoring him to be doing. Will it be good? Bad? Time will tell, but he's our GM, the GM of my favorite team and I want him to kick ass this weekend.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
Grubauer is not worth the 27th. We won the Hartman trade, let's not waste it on a guy with one decent 1/3rd of a season.

Every offseason has some backup goalie that teams overvalue:
Eddie Lack
Scott Darling
Anton Khudobin
Chad Johnson
Carter Hutton (this year)

There's plenty more that are now out of the league. The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

I'll repeat it again: The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:40 PM ET
kwolf - I think it is we agree to agree to disagree until we agree to agree. I think that’s close. Where I’m sure we do agree is today is crazy important and StanBo and Kelley and the rest of the hockey people simply cannot blow this huge opportunity with so much volativity.
- Z3Hawk


As long as we're correcting things and forgive me if it's your auto correct acting out...but it's "volatility".

Wasn't going to say anything but you had another post that used it that way several times...thought you may want to know...or not.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:40 PM ET
Grubauer is not worth the 27th. We won the Hartman trade, let's not waste it on a guy with one decent 1/3rd of a season.

Every offseason has some backup goalie that teams overvalue:
Eddie Lack
Scott Darling
Anton Khudobin
Chad Johnson
Carter Hutton (this year)

There's plenty more that are now out of the league. The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

I'll repeat it again: The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

- ObeseOprah



mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 22 @ 2:43 PM ET
Grubauer is not worth the 27th. We won the Hartman trade, let's not waste it on a guy with one decent 1/3rd of a season.

Every offseason has some backup goalie that teams overvalue:
Eddie Lack
Scott Darling
Anton Khudobin
Chad Johnson
Carter Hutton (this year)

There's plenty more that are now out of the league. The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

I'll repeat it again: The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

- ObeseOprah




L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:43 PM ET
I'd stay away from sending a 1st for a guy who has only about 100 games in his career if I was a GM.
- breadbag

Maybe it seems like a lot, but the last goalie to be traded for a 1st was Schneider who had just under 100 games and that was a mid-round pick iirc. Schneider was close to the same age and did have slightly better numbers, but that would be off-set by it being a lower pick.

I don't know why the Canes are the team all over Grubauer.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:43 PM ET
Grubauer is not worth the 27th. We won the Hartman trade, let's not waste it on a guy with one decent 1/3rd of a season.

Every offseason has some backup goalie that teams overvalue:
Eddie Lack
Scott Darling
Anton Khudobin
Chad Johnson
Carter Hutton (this year)

There's plenty more that are now out of the league. The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

I'll repeat it again: The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

- ObeseOprah


I suppose the big unknown is Crawford. If he is healthy and does come back and gets most of the starts, I'd be fine with Forsberg getting the other starts.

He gave up a fair amount of soft goals but also looked good at times. I think if he continues to work with Waite he'll be fine.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:45 PM ET
Grubauer is not worth the 27th. We won the Hartman trade, let's not waste it on a guy with one decent 1/3rd of a season.

Every offseason has some backup goalie that teams overvalue:
Eddie Lack
Scott Darling
Anton Khudobin
Chad Johnson
Carter Hutton (this year)

There's plenty more that are now out of the league. The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

I'll repeat it again: The 27th pick should (in theory) be better than the BEST PROSPECT that the Blackhawks currently have, Henri Jokiharju.

- ObeseOprah

Tbf it's more than 1/3 of a season - he's got 3 seasons of better than average numbers (albeit in a back-up role).

I'm in no way advocating that I would trade the #27 for him, just that it seems fair-ish value for a guy with his numbers / age.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 22 @ 2:45 PM ET
If you can improve the blueline, I'm totally fine with giving Grubs a shot in net.

Better than the will-he-play-or-will-he-not-play mysterious gray cloud hovering over Crow. Tired of it.
MjulQvist
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.22.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:47 PM ET
Maybe it seems like a lot, but the last goalie to be traded for a 1st was Schneider who had just under 100 games and that was a mid-round pick iirc. Schneider was close to the same age and did have slightly better numbers, but that would be off-set by it being a lower pick.

I don't know why the Canes are the team all over Grubauer.

- L_B_R


Wasn't Schneider traded for 9th pick overall (Bo Horvat)?
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 22 @ 2:48 PM ET


Yea I am looking forward to it. I try not to get tied into the ridiculous rumors and I am sure Bowman going to do something NO ONE is rumoring him to be doing. Will it be good? Bad? Time will tell, but he's our GM, the GM of my favorite team and I want him to kick ass this weekend.

- kwolf68


To me the most kickass thing he could do would be to get anything in return for Anisimov or Ruutta.

I'd like to see us somehow get back into the second round without sacrificing our first round picks. The backup goalie spot can be addressed with either Lehner, Hutton, Halak, Ward, Lack, Bernier, Johnson, Hammond, and maybe even Gudlevskis (The hero goalie from the 2014 olmpyics who nearly stole a game from Team Canada).

A solid middle line forward who can play all three positions would be great. A Riley Nash or Michael Grabner would be nice, someone who can win puck battles and put up 35-40 points would be nice.

I'm not ready to sell on Duclair yet. He still has some glimpses of raw talent, and he got hurt for the end of last year. He, like Murphy, was developed poorly and perhaps just needs more time to round out his game.
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