Revco38
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Location: Wherever I leave my hat Joined: 07.26.2006
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Trade Kane and I won’t watch the Hawks anymore. I’d like a Darth “Trade Them All” image with an *Except Kane*....Patrick Kane is the Franchise, GOAT American player and he’s got 5+ years of all star hockey left in him. over/under odds on Toews being an All Star again? - EnzoD
I agree 100%- but the damage done to our system to "pay" someone to take Seabs or Toews would delay any rebuild by years, and we do not have the financial flexibility to be competitive with that much money tied up in aging players, and using our youth to move bad contracts (what will it cost to move Hossa? AA? a Questionable Crawford?-yes AA- don't think there is much of a market there). We need top-level prospects, and trading Kane and Keith jump-starts that process.
I know it will not happen for exactly your response- how many people will stop attending/watching, but it makes us competitive much faster than the slow death we will be witnessing for some time (sorry, I am less optimistic given what I have seen on the ice, and the quality of players in our system, and our financial restrictions).
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Revco38
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Location: Wherever I leave my hat Joined: 07.26.2006
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Not sure I'm there yet, Rev. If I did I don't want StanBowPops&shovel-face in charge of it. Number 1 you hire a Davidson/Lamorillo type to oversee the thing and go from there. - Mr Ricochet
yes, I think you are right- might hold off until we have better management in place. I do not think Stan has done a horrible job as some do- he has had some good moments, not so good moments, but think if we go full re-build, there needs to be a culture change- Management as well as coaching. |
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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I totally agree on taking Simmonds over JVR. The big question though, is what is it going to take to get Simmonds? I do not pretend to even begin to know what the Flyers would be looking for..I would guess the 27th pick would be part of it though.
I live in Toronto, and watch a lot of Leafs games, and while JVR is a good player, I think the physicality Simmonds brings would be a lot better. Plus, I think Simmonds could be signed for a lot less than JVR. Can you imagine the Hawks get Simmonds, Brady Tkachuk falls into their laps, then they sign Roussel? Talk about a becoming harder to play against overnight. - plyrs99
Indeed!!
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Theo Fox
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Joined: 06.18.2016
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He has dropped off and IIRC he's a UFA after this season. He'd fit nicely as the 1RW for maybe the 27th? Again, another move that fits StanBow's survival mode. ........ I'd rather keep that 27th, think the Hawks can find their 10 yr 2C there or even a 2nd rotation Dman, maybe even hit a grand slam with Merkley. - Mr Ricochet
Could Ty Dellandrea be that pick at 27th? He models his game after Toews and coaches rave about his leadership, skill, and no quit attitude. |
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EnzoD
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Location: Denver, CO Joined: 02.19.2014
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I agree 100%- but the damage done to our system to "pay" someone to take Seabs or Toews would delay any rebuild by years, and we do not have the financial flexibility to be competitive with that much money tied up in aging players, and using our youth to move bad contracts (what will it cost to move Hossa? AA? a Questionable Crawford?-yes AA- don't think there is much of a market there). We need top-level prospects, and trading Kane and Keith jump-starts that process.
I know it will not happen for exactly your response- how many people will stop attending/watching, but it makes us competitive much faster than the slow death we will be witnessing for some time (sorry, I am less optimistic given what I have seen on the ice, and the quality of players in our system, and our financial restrictions). - Revco38
I see the logic but you don’t get a player or package of picks/players in the same Elite level of Kane (unless you get a Top 2 overall draft pick). Martin St. Louis at 38 was acquired by NYR for like 3 top prospects and a mid 1st bc he was still an elite player at 38. Kaner has more skill, as much work ethic, and he’s bigger than Marty. There’s no reason to expect any different from Patty Kane. Now trading Keith for the right return I can get on board with. |
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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yes, I think you are right- might hold off until we have better management in place. I do not think Stan has done a horrible job as some do- he has had some good moments, not so good moments, but think if we go full re-build, there needs to be a culture change- Management as well as coaching. - Revco38
Yes!! Fresh eyes, fresh thought, NO allegiances/loyalty.
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Hawkytalk
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Location: Frankfort, IL Joined: 06.26.2012
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Yep, this is his last deal. He's going for big money, long term and costly cap hit contract, which is precisely why he's not a great option for Chicago, unless of course they can dump some of their current dead weight. JVR plays a hard game, it's very possible, even likely, he will be HUGE diminishing returns for whoever gets him. I could see 1-2 good years, then a strong falloff. At that point the Hawks could add him to the rolodex of poopbag contracts they are on the hook for. - kwolf68
Agreed.....Don't want another high salaried 30 year old for the term he's looking for. But.......with Bowman's job on the line, it scares me that this might happen.
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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Agreed.....Don't want another high salaried 30 year old for the term he's looking for. But.......with Bowman's job on the line, it scares me that this might happen. - Hawkytalk
What is the term and dollars hes looking for? I was unaware it was made public |
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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Could Ty Dellandrea be that pick at 27th? He models his game after Toews and coaches rave about his leadership, skill, and no quit attitude. - AEL_Fox
Like you Fox I haven't seen the majority of these players live, a few on film but yes a guy like Dellandra, McLeod, Wise, McShane and 3-4-5 more names. It's said there is a shortage of top tier centers in the draft but quite a few with real upside late in the 1st or in the 2nd rd... Just a nice asset to have, that 27th in a deep deep draft.
StanBow and Kelley have done well in the 2nd rd, Saad/Dcat.
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Theo Fox
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Joined: 06.18.2016
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HawkintheD
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Location: Sick Bay, MI Joined: 02.22.2012
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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It you can assure me after the surgery, he is able to still be a power player... - wiz1901
Simmonds is a man, that's for sure: https://www.nbcsports.com...ries-even-he-can-remember
In total?
A tear in his pelvic area, fractured ankle, pulled groin, busted mouth (twice) and the torn ligament in his thumb.
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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JVR isnt old. He just turned 29.
The Hawks "oldest" forwards ' are Toews and Kane. Both 1988 birth years
Edit - AA is a 1988 as well
Hawks can "afford" the old man experience in JVR lol |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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I wonder if Austin is aware that pushing a woman is considered violent behavior. - HawkintheD
Hopefully, if found guilty, he will have a nice little suspension to figure that out |
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Hawkytalk
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Location: Frankfort, IL Joined: 06.26.2012
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What is the term and dollars hes looking for? I was unaware it was made public - PatShart
What do you think ???
He surely isn't coming for 5yrs of 6 mil.....and that's an over pay in my opinion anyway.
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nickmo2699
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Location: IL Joined: 01.06.2012
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https://www.tsn.ca/off-season-watch-simmonds-on-the-block-1.1117970
Tidbits about Simmonds on the trade block and Statsny's preferred destination being the Jets, Habs, or Avs. - AEL_Fox
No question the guy is a Warrior, but do we get the Simmonds of the last few years or the one who plays more conservative. If he is back to top form, I grab him because he checks every box the Hawks need up front. A first line of Saad Toews and Simmonds would be tough to play against. |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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What do you think ???
He surely isn't coming for 5yrs of 6 mil.....and that's an over pay in my opinion anyway. - Hawkytalk
I think I will wait and see what he signs for before determining he demanding a lot
And I think it depends where he signs, but will be somewhere in the Oshie range between 5-6mil per |
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An possible alternative (Assuming they can't land Tavares) could be if they keep AA.
Saad- Toews - Schmaltz
Debrincat - AA - Kane
Spend the cash they have getting more quality depth on the bottom 6 and the D. I think they just need to keep AA out of a checking role if they don't move him. - breadbag
Yea exactly - I'd like to see Saad on the RW so he can cut into the middle and generate his own shots. |
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wiz1901
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Location: DraftSite com, IL Joined: 05.14.2008
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An possible alternative (Assuming they can't land Tavares) could be if they keep AA.
Saad- Toews - Schmaltz
Debrincat - AA - Kane
Spend the cash they have getting more quality depth on the bottom 6 and the D. I think they just need to keep AA out of a checking role if they don't move him. - breadbag
I just think Stastny is more the answer for a team looking to fill a dire need now (Montreal) or a shirt intermediate role (like the Jets) |
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wiz1901
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Location: DraftSite com, IL Joined: 05.14.2008
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I wonder if Austin is aware that pushing a woman is considered violent behavior. - HawkintheD
This is a good kid, who comes form a large family, and this sounds like a growing up issue that needs him to feel slapped in the face.
I met that kid, he is a decent person from a good family - he douched himself and needs a slap, no more. |
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L_B_R
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Joined: 02.23.2014
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Simmonds vs JvR is a tough comparison, both a good players but offer something different. I think we also need to look at the cost to acquire Simmonds. Is it worth #27 for one year of Simmonds? Or is signing a UFA the better option? I'd go with JvR. - DarthKane
I'd love Simmonds of a year ago on the team, but it's impossible to know if he'll be up to his standards this upcoming year. And is losing the #27+ worth a rental? Cause he's going to want pretty much the same as Oshie to Kane, unless he just has a terrible season, in a year. And Philly is going to want a decent haul back lbr.
I do really like Simmonds though. If he was for sure healthy, I don't think it'd be a question, and that coming from me who really likes JVR. |
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Theo Fox
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Joined: 06.18.2016
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No question the guy is a Warrior, but do we get the Simmonds of the last few years or the one who plays more conservative. If he is back to top form, I grab him because he checks every box the Hawks need up front. A first line of Saad Toews and Simmonds would be tough to play against. - nickmo2699
Assuming he can bounce back 100% from injuries, I would love a power forward like Simmonds on the Hawks. My fear is that we would see more of a conservative Simmonds under the current coaching staff. Maybe conservative isn't the best term, but maybe a version where he uses his size and strength in other ways that fit Q's system. Does that translate into the same offensive output? Maybe, maybe not. I'm leaning towards less production because that's not Simmonds' game and how he has carved out his reputation after he reached new heights moving from the Kings to the Flyers.
As for whether to aim for van Riemsdyk or Simmonds, as someone else pointed out, it comes down to contract terms and what needs to be traded away to acquire either of them (rights for JVR to work out a deal before he becomes a UFA or for Simmonds who still has a year left on his contract). |
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ikeane
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Location: Jacksonville, FL Joined: 11.04.2005
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not sure if this is valid:
InsideSource @InsideSource18
Jun 19
Zack Smith’s Name has been heating up these past couple hours. More teams interested. #Flames #Blackhawks #Blues are a few of them.
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tvetter
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Location: Burkesville, KY Joined: 12.16.2015
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Don't forget, one player doesn't win all faceoffs. Get a bigger body in there to bang in the corner and dig the puck out and he wins a few more. Kane and the Cat are not the kind of players to dig for the puck on a tight faceoff. - CanOCorn
The Cat and the Pat |
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wiz1901
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Location: DraftSite com, IL Joined: 05.14.2008
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I'd rather keep that 27th, think the Hawks can find their 10 yr 2C there or even a 2nd rotation Deeman, maybe even hit a grand slam with Merkley. - Mr Ricochet
Thew GMs are all here in Dallas now so things should heat up.
So my usual modus operandi is to find the watering holes close to the main NHL hotel...and cordially get people talking.
My favorite draft was the 1999 Florida one where the arena was in Sunrise but the nhl folk was on the Fort Lauderdale strip...so, me and my buddy, Blackhawk Bob spent time going place to place, and found lots of people there for the draft and kept asking essential questions to find stuff out...we met Gretsky who sitting next to him at the bar, Semenko! We heard all the hubbub about the fact teams were all trying to get the Atlanta #1 so they had the chance to select Ilya Kovalchuk....nhl guys always flattewred when fanboys know then, or are knowlegable.
Nashville draft was good to because the bars wwere across the street, loaded wirh former nhlers running their scouting...all the teams drinking together, New Jersey celebrating getting Zach Parise...
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