I was thinking that, but no way that gets you Karlsson.

It has to be for like a dude and prospect or future picks or something.

Def just a move to get some money off the books. Clear some cap space and get a jabroni or two back.
- Hank3Henshaw

Smith and?? Stone??

JimHawk 159: I hope they don't trade out and down or for an NHLER with the #8...

Me too........
- Mr Ricochet

Me too.

I would become part of the on-line Buzz cabal who wants StanBo gone if he was able to convince McDonaugh that a NHL guy for the pick changes everything.
Stan never made a trade before having to presented to the above.

But this is the future with a strong class...you have to go get that future, because other draft classes may never afford you a chance at mid round to get the type of high end up side to true top line and top pair players for your nHL club.

Really not sold on Tkachuk myself
- oldduffman

that's a BIG mistake...he will be gone anyway the way it looks...

Although this is nothing definitive at breakfast I bothered somebody who left the hawks organization (as Dale Tallon did) when he felt he was being knock down notches in the new added layers by McDonough. I knew it was him by the wig.(That should give it away, and if it doesn’t YOU do your homework) I started with I am a Hawk hockey boy (not hard to discern by my attire), congrats with your new job with the Carolina.
I am not gonna ask you something about Hurricane’s draft (he says back, because I couldn’t answer it), but I was wondering your opinion on Ottawa.
Everybody is asking if they send this pick to Colorado, or use and keep it, or drop back a bit because all of our anxiety after Montreal picks places lots of options for the Senators in Montreal takes the Finnish kid.
I say I think if they keep the pick, they get a crack at Zadina and so many others, is Zadina falling as far as Hawks at #8…
He says I like to tell you I could predict how the top ten or twelve picks are going to go, but I can’t. You just don’t have a concrete ranking divided enough for me to with confidence say Ottawa or Arizona or Detroit is locked to go a certain directions, until after the team above is done selecting.
(Now that sounds like trite, but this makes sense.)
"I think they (Ottawa) picks today in the early part and doesn’t give it to Colorado.
And Zadina, well, someone is going to be a good scorer at the NHL level, and I say that because he didn’t test off the charts in the Buffalo, so you have to project that if he starts improving leg and upper body, he will only be better."

Oh, and some Dallas fan told me that the Capitals were asking the Blackhawks for the late first rounder for Philipp Grubauer, but I think they feel the islanders are over a barrel and will send their an earlier first their way.

And if Ryan O’Reilly does get traded to Montreal for Max Pacioretty & Matt Moulson, does that change who they select at #3?

I still think my proposal on much of the above is the best:

What if the Hawks were to convince the Habs to flip #3 for #8 and land one centre in Artem Anisimov and the Habs then send that #8 slot choice with a winger to Buffalo for Ryan O’Reilly?
If he Habs REALLY are intent on taking Jesperi Kotkaniemi, unless Wings go off the rails there is pretty decent chance he is still on the board (if his old bosses have assured him their man in Brady Tkachuk) later.
I think the reality of trading out on the top six in this strong mix of forwards and defenseman dampens the chances of a team trading out, but….
Mac Bergevin would then have a now centre, and a developing centre (to go along with last year’s pick of Ryan Poeling) to parade around the microphones and get back so good vides after the goal subtraction the Domi acquisition brought to town.
dat's all I got...

Although this is nothing definitive at breakfast I bothered somebody who left the hawks organization (as Dale Tallon did) when he felt he was being knock down notches in the new added layers by McDonough. I knew it was him by the wig.(That should give it away, and if it doesn’t YOU do your homework) I started with I am a Hawk hockey boy (not hard to discern by my attire), congrats with your new job with the Carolina.
I am not gonna ask you something about Hurricane’s draft (he says back, because I couldn’t answer it), but I was wondering your opinion on Ottawa.
Everybody is asking if they send this pick to Colorado, or use and keep it, or drop back a bit because all of our anxiety after Montreal picks places lots of options for the Senators in Montreal takes the Finnish kid.
I say I think if they keep the pick, they get a crack at Zadina and so many others, is Zadina falling as far as Hawks at #8…
He says I like to tell you I could predict how the top ten or twelve picks are going to go, but I can’t. You just don’t have a concrete ranking divided enough for me to with confidence say Ottawa or Arizona or Detroit is locked to go a certain directions, until after the team above is done selecting.
(Now that sounds like trite, but this makes sense.)
I think they (Ottawa) picks today in the early part and doesn’t give it to Colorado.
And Zadina, well, someone is going to be a good scorer at the NHL level, and I say that because he didn’t test off the charts in the Buffalo, so you have to project that if he starts improving leg and upper body, he will only be better.

Oh, and some Dallas fan told me that the Capitals were asking the Blackhawks for the late first rounder for Philipp Grubauer, but I think they feel the islanders are over a barrel and will send their an earlier first their way.

And if Ryan O’Reilly does get traded to Montreal for Max Pacioretty & Matt Moulson, does that change who they select at #3?

I still think my proposal on much of the above is the best:

What if the Hawks were to convince the Habs to flip #3 for #8 and land one centre in Artem Anisimov and the Habs then send that #8 slot choice with a winger to Buffalo for Ryan O’Reilly?
If he Habs REALLY are intent on taking Jesperi Kotkaniemi, unless Wings go off the rails there is pretty decent chance he is still on the board (if his old bosses have assured him their man in Brady Tkachuk) later.
I think the reality of trading out on the top six in this strong mix of forwards and defenseman dampens the chances of a team trading out, but….
Mac Bergevin would then have a now centre, and a developing centre (to go along with last year’s pick of Ryan Poeling) to parade around the microphones and get back so good vides after the goal subtraction the Domi acquisition brought to town.
- wiz1901

Just dropped you a PM, Wiz!

Smith and?? Stone??
- z1990z

Maybe....

Would be cool if it was the Sabres and ROR went the other way. Haha.

JimHawk 159: I hope they don't trade out and down or for an NHLER with the #8...



Me too.

I would become part of the on-line Buzz cabal who wants StanBo gone if he was able to convince McDonaugh that a NHL guy for the pick changes everything.
Stan never made a trade before having to presented to the above.

But this is the future with a strong class...you have to go get that future, because other draft classes may never afford you a chance at mid round to get the type of high end up side to true top line and top pair players for your nHL club.
- wiz1901

Only if it’s something like #8 & #27 for #6 & #30 or #33.

Maybe....

Would be cool if it was the Sabres and ROR went the other way. Haha.
- Hank3Henshaw

Stone is a beast who can score. Ideal RW for the Toews line. Smith is a solid #3 C shutdown type.

Sounds like the Oilers are still aggressively shopping their 10th overall pick in an effort to find some blue-line help.

Would Murphy for their #10 make any sense?

Leafs after Kovy, but need cap room. JVR come on over.

Stone is a beast who can score. Ideal RW for the Toews line. Smith is a solid #3 C shutdown type.
- z1990z

Both guys sound great, but I really think we need a legit Center (aaside from blueline help).

I don't think the Wingers on Toews' line are the problem...just my opinion.

Sounds like the Oilers are still aggressively shopping their 10th overall pick in an effort to find some blue-line help.

Would Murphy for their #10 make any sense?
- walleyeb1

I feel for a top 10 pick, they'd want more than Murphy. Don't they want puck moving d-men?

Both guys sound great, but I really think we need a legit Center (aaside from blueline help).

I don't think the Wingers on Toews' line are the problem...just my opinion.
- Hank3Henshaw

Oh I agree. 19 has fallen off the edge in play. But Toews is here to stay.

Cat 19 Stone
Saad Schmaltz Kane

Who knows what if any trades get made today.

that's a BIG mistake...he will be gone anyway the way it looks...
- wiz1901

OK think someone will be disappointed with a good 4th line player at 3 to 7th pick

Oh I agree. 19 has fallen off the edge in play. But Toews is here to stay.

Cat 19 Stone
Saad Schmaltz Kane

Who knows what if any trades get made today.
- z1990z

I do like the idea of Stone in the Hawks lineup.

Line 2 is money. Would def like to see that experiment play out.

@DavidDwork
Keep hearing that the #FlaPanthers are shopping their 1sr round pick (15th overall). I know some are saying Pacioretty is still in play but Tallon has said he’s open to moving down and acquiring more picks, which is much more likely scenario IMO. #NHLDraft

@DetroitRedWings
UPDATE: Detroit #RedWings EVP and GM Ken Holland announced today that the team has hired Dan Bylsma as an assistant coach.
- Stan_Bowman

As an aside Bylsma along with Johnny Gaudreau just bought into the USHL Dubuque Fighting Saints.

Pat - come on. It is difficult to imagine Q having treated Murphy any worse or any more incompetently than he did. True is True.
- Z3Hawk

He played 76gms and 16min a night on a new team, new system that also was working on him learning the LD position - something hes never done. All that, is true.

Sometimes, when you have to rebuild a players confidence, you dont yo and blindly play him 20min a night, regardless if his play. He went from being a top 4 in AZ, to them acquiring other Dmen and making him a 5-6 defender. Why?? Was he getting screwed in AZ too???? Is he a victim of 2 teams screwing him??

Maybe...he played better in the tourney...and stay with me...because through the course of this year, while his minutes were improved? Overall game inproved?

Keith and Seabrook played in 82, 81gms respectively. Murphy played in 76.

All the other dmen rotated between the 55-30gms. More so when it was realized Craw was out, same as the forwards. And when they wanted to get NHL looks at Hillman and Dahlstrom too, it cut minutes. But Murph played in 76 gms

Hes 25. Never should have been in the NHLas a 20, 21, 22yr old Dman on those AZ teams and I'm certain he has a lot of bad habits and issues that need to be corrected

But I'm sorry he didnt get "treated right" here in reference to more ice time

Jay Zawaski

Bob McKenzie reports the Blackhawks are interested in Caps goaltender Phillip Grubauer. Would likely take a 1st to make it happen. Is 27 enough? Also, what does this say about Crawford's status?

Jay Zawaski

Bob McKenzie reports the Blackhawks are interested in Caps goaltender Phillip Grubauer. Would likely take a 1st to make it happen. Is 27 enough? Also, what does this say about Crawford's status?
- walleyeb1

Means he is not healthy or they are not sure if he is.

Yes...absolutely!

Everybody I have talked to has calmed my anxiety of Dobson not developing to a really good player.

and lots to like left at #27 already.
- wiz1901

I for one am not sold and do not want either Dobson or Bouchard.

Jay Zawaski

Bob McKenzie reports the Blackhawks are interested in Caps goaltender Phillip Grubauer. Would likely take a 1st to make it happen. Is 27 enough? Also, what does this say about Crawford's status?
- walleyeb1

I've felt Crow was gone for a long time.

Def feels like there's more to the story, just from things that have been written/reported and speculated on.

I really don’t like the idea of moving to #6 for #8 & #27. We wouldn’t have another pick until #69 that’s not acceptable in this draft.
- walleyeb1

I too would rather not sacrifice #27 pick just to move from #8 to #6. I had contemplated adding one other compelling reason for this sort if trade to occur

First, just to link the thoughts together...the first reason is the greater impact in team success by taking the player you want most at #6.

The other part I held off on since I am not sure it would apply. But the #6 - or if they near miraculously moved to #3 - is potentially the next face if franchise....replacing Toews. I could imagine McDonough has an interest in this. You might think McDonough on his own or someone told him that he could be marketing a new impact player. Think carefully what order you have prospects on your list.

Also I have a hunch that Arizona wants a forward. Would it be Tkachuk or another choice to mix with their group. They could be getting tough to beat with deep mobile defence and another top forward. Their goaltender has to hold the fort, though.

MrR - great point - That’s the danger in this Draft. There is such volativity that other than the top 2 any combination of players could be available at #8 including the player the Hawks rate #1. However, that same volativity could result in the top 3 or 4 Hawks’ favs all being gone. I think any movement will depend on whether the Hawks have a very clear #1 that they like a lot above all others. Say Hughes. Might move to get him. Kelley has said that they feel confident at 8 as they have more than 8 players that they like which means no matter what happens 1 to 7 they will have a player or players they still like at 8. However, today I think we both know anything might happen.
- Z3Hawk

Aside from players bunched from 3 thru 8, not many centers thought to be of high end, so many Dman thought to be high end and are rare right shots you add the volativity of that 4th pick of OTT. They may give it to COL to complete the Duchene deal and Karlsson is in play. If someone else moves into that slot it could funk the thing up a bit.

I still think the key for the Hawks is Boqvist. If he goes before 8 there is no chance a guy they covet won't be there at 8. I'm assuming they covet in this order Hughes, Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, Dobson.

But as you say that volativity could result in the player they have ranked #1 and that makes this draft so damn fun. And as discussed and agreed upon earlier hopefully our GM somehow uses that volatility and uncertainty to his advantage. I just can't stop thinking that this draft could give us an equivalent of a Getzlaf and Perry in rd 1 and the 2nd rd a Saad or Dcat!! .....I'm greedy this morning.

This team is very overdue for something good to happen for a change. Look for it.