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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 21 @ 4:45 PM ET
I have been out and about and have drank a pitcher of Margauritas...looks like Stanbo might be sending the #8 to a team above him with Anisimov...exceptional!
- wiz1901



I think you're drunk....wasn't it #8 + AA for a pick in the 20s?
Stan_Bowman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.27.2017

Jun 21 @ 4:47 PM ET
I think you're drunk....wasn't it #8 + AA for a pick in the 20s?
- DarthKane


I traded #8 and AA for #27 in a poker game with McDonough

I like our team even better now
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 21 @ 4:53 PM ET
I traded #8 and AA for #27 in a poker game with McDonough

I like our team even better now

- Stan_Bowman



You'll still draft two guys who never make the NHL and AA will go on to become the best 2C ever.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 21 @ 4:54 PM ET
I traded #8 and AA for #27 in a poker game with McDonough

I like our team even better now

- Stan_Bowman


This Stan account just gets better and better as the draft approaches.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 21 @ 4:55 PM ET
Wiz first great work on the draft and insight into each player. Do you know this for a fact and if so is this info coming from a solid source or is it your opinion on what will happen?
- Scott1977


I have watched Ryan OR and will take credit in my 2009 Draft whenI was probably the only one who had him close to the first round,

(that is the beauty of actually publishing your picks on the internet, they are always there.

Corey with, his own list, the mocks of what the teams "could do" and a third Athletic list kinda set up that you were correct by virtue of quantity of predictions....
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 21 @ 4:55 PM ET
Hughes was really impressive at Worlds in his somewhat limited role. He got to pick his stall and specifically choose next to Kane because he wanted to learn from the best. .
- L_B_R


Did not know this. Smart move for an uber skilled smallish kid to watch and learn from an uber skilled smallish NHLer.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 21 @ 4:57 PM ET
wiz - you think Button has that much influence? - as I have never placed him at the top of the hill.
- Z3Hawk


No one ever had Boqvist that high until he spend a min th hyping him...the influence,sure is always there.


That is why I never read the other picks until the three prior to the draft...becausae I then, backpedal doubt what I THOUGHT I saw, etc.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 21 @ 4:59 PM ET
You mention his NHL timetable at 2 or 3 years. Boqvist mentioned in an interview I saw that he thought he had much to learn and hoped to challenge for a position in the NHL in 2 or 3 years. Hardly a ringing endorsement of yourself - not very confident. There were some earlier on saying he was close to Dahlin.
- Z3Hawk


Yea, I've read that and many have the same reaction you do. Now I'm not a be all end all fancy stat guy and if it's between my eye and the fancies I go with my eye but after seeing his his fancies so low in so may cats compared to his peers my mind was made up.

I'm ok taking him 15th or so but too much risk IMO inside the top 10.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 21 @ 5:02 PM ET
now seems obvious that after #1 and #2 there is great volatility in the top 10 or 15. HUGE FUN!!!
- Z3Hawk


No doubt, no doubt. My hope is my GM can find an edge in all the uncertainty/volatility. Make something good happen with MTL in desperation mode, same for OTT, that NYR, NYI, DET, PHI have multiple 1st rd picks.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 21 @ 5:09 PM ET


In your heart of hearts even if the Hawks get some help here does what's left of this core have another run left in them?

They need a new Pres. of hockey ops .

- DK002


A huge question that has the possibility to set the franchise back 3-4-5 yrs. A question that in theory fresh eyes could much much better answer.

Yes IMO, and at the veeeeery least a hockey ops/prez (a hockey not money guy) needed to be hired at seasons end to prepare for this draft.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 21 @ 5:10 PM ET
No one ever had Boqvist that high until he spend a min th hyping him...the influence,sure is always there.


That is why I never read the other picks until the three prior to the draft...becausae I then, backpedal doubt what I THOUGHT I saw, etc.

- wiz1901


Just surprised that Button would have that much influence. For me his opinions are low on the totem.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 21 @ 5:13 PM ET
No doubt, no doubt. My hope is my GM can find an edge in all the uncertainty/volatility. Make something good happen with MTL in desperation mode, same for OTT, that NYR, NYI, DET, PHI have multiple 1st rd picks.
- Mr Ricochet


Speak the truth MrR. Just seems there is incredible opportunity to make great moves. Perfect Storm.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 21 @ 5:16 PM ET
Yea, I've read that and many have the same reaction you do. Now I'm not a be all end all fancy stat guy and if it's between my eye and the fancies I go with my eye but after seeing his his fancies so low in so may cats compared to his peers my mind was made up.

I'm ok taking him 15th or so but too much risk IMO inside the top 10.

- Mr Ricochet


Touche - dead-on review.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 21 @ 5:16 PM ET
Just surprised that Button would have that much influence. For me his opinions are low on the totem.
- Z3Hawk




I am just saying....until he propped Boqvist as the Swede demean "just behind" Dahlin, his never wasn't in the conversation as a high end top selection...

Im am simply following the history.

So many of the draft guys draft sites get on the bandwagon, it is difficult not to, and Button started Boqvist conversation, no matter how big anyone thinks his influence is, things take life of their own....
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 21 @ 5:17 PM ET
yeah, he got "left"in ESPN, and I respect the stands, because I make them too...but he is SO stringent!
No room for movement in his opinion...you know me...I battles the positioning of Boqvist and Bouchard and Dobson with MYSELF for months!

You have to give too.

I am hearing a buzz here...I talk to "people" mention that Stanbob/Halws want to move up and make a move and the "people" I am talking to say the hawks are talking about bigger things than a slot move, but no details...
(DO I sound like JJ?) I can only get what I get, brothers...

- wiz1901


You Da Man wiz, our man in the street!!......... Agreed 100%. If you speak or think in absolutes about sports/athletes you're likely to miss too many opportunities and your opinion of yourself is too high for sustained success.

An easy analogy would be 100% fancy stats or 100% eye test. Gotta take the best of both and make it work for your situation.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 21 @ 5:23 PM ET
AA and #8 to Montreal for #3 get it done Stan!!!


Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin on trading down and acquiring a roster/nhl-ready player for their No. 3 pick.


- walleyeb1


IMO gonna take a whole lot more than this and the 27th to get to 3. And IMO it ain't worth it unless the Hawks see Hughes as a Lidstrom cuz IMO if they are after Zadina with the 3 it's wasted resources cuz I don't see enough daylight between Zadina and Wahlstrom.

stonefire
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Prague
Joined: 10.22.2006

Jun 21 @ 5:23 PM ET
Zadina came as close as it is possible to having zero production so it means something.
- Z3Hawk


Lets agree to disagree on this. He had very small opportunity and played on a terrible team that year. Tough to gain confidence as a 17yr old and show more than flashes. This years means a lot more in evaluating his talent IMO.

He is also an older Draftee 1999. His stock seems to have dropped lately for many although there has been little hockey played as Scouts drilled down and did more comparing. Was average at Combine. There are now some questions being asked. He is a clear example of the volatility that now exists after #1,#2.
- Z3Hawk


Could be, you may be correct. I don't want to sound like Zadina's apologist, I didn't watch him this year other than WJC. But it could also be overanalyzing or simply group thinking. Also testing bad at the combine has all kinds of different reasons and it might be a good thing actually: showing there's a lot of room to grow and improve. Depends on the point of view.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 21 @ 5:23 PM ET
wiz - any more info indicating who the Hawks are targeting if they want to move up? With volatility after #2 seems hard to predict. Is there any chance trying to pry #2? That would be some trade. Just dreamin’.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 21 @ 5:29 PM ET
No doubt, no doubt. My hope is my GM can find an edge in all the uncertainty/volatility. Make something good happen with MTL in desperation mode, same for OTT, that NYR, NYI, DET, PHI have multiple 1st rd picks.
- Mr Ricochet

Something came out yesterday on TSN Radio Montreal in an interview with the Habs Chief Scout. The big Finn center (Kotknemei) had ACL surgery about a year ago and he is supposedly fully healed but the scout figures he is still a couple years away from the NHL. By the tone of his voice he didn't sound like that was the Habs pick.

I think they are trading that #3 or are taking Tkachuk. Who's the only GM that Bergevin has taken to the cleaners in all of his time as GM in Montreal - you got it, Stanbo. Look for a trade.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 21 @ 5:29 PM ET
Hey Wiz, what’s the deal with teams being shy about taking goalies in the first round?

Samsonov was recently taken in the 1st by the Caps a couple years ago, and I know the Stars took that goalie last year (which is interesting because they gambled on a goalie in the first years ago who turned out to be a flop in Jack Campbell who I remember people talking about as a can’t-miss.)

Do goalies have to be truly elite prospects in order to warrant 1st round consideration? Or is it that they are so raw/uncertain that teams know that they can just wait on them in the later rounds or just wait to sign them away from Europe.

It’s just fascinating to me that year in and year out, the most important position in hockey is always considered an afterthought by all teams, hoping to just somehow get lucky down the road when they see them develop and then snag them rather than drafting/developing them early on like the Lightning did with Vasilevskiy.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 21 @ 5:31 PM ET
Lets agree to disagree on this. He had very small opportunity and played on a terrible team that year. Tough to gain confidence as a 17yr old and show more than flashes. This years means a lot more in evaluating his talent IMO.



Could be, you may be correct. I don't want to sound like Zadina's apologist, I didn't watch him this year other than WJC. But it could also be overanalyzing or simply group thinking. Also testing bad at the combine has all kinds of different reasons and it might be a good thing actually: showing there's a lot of room to grow and improve. Depends on the point of view.

- stonefire


stonefire - I hear you. If ever there was a year that the Hawks need their Scouting team to better other teams’ Scouting teams this is the one. It is never this crazy at the top end - a 3 on some Lists is a 9 on others. Or out of the top 10 altogether. Zadina is certainly part of the crazy.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 21 @ 5:34 PM ET
Something came out yesterday on TSN Radio Montreal in an interview with the Habs Chief Scout. The big Finn center (Kotknemei) had ACL surgery about a year ago and he is supposedly fully healed but the scout figures he is still a couple years away from the NHL. By the tone of his voice he didn't sound like that was the Habs pick.

I think they are trading that #3 or are taking Tkachuk. Who's the only GM that Bergevin has taken to the cleaners in all of his time as GM in Montreal - you got it, Stanbo. Look for a trade.

- RickJ


Gosh ACLs are tough. Ottawa’s Karlsson admitted he never felt 100%.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Jun 21 @ 5:35 PM ET
stonefire - I hear you. If ever there was a year that the Hawks need their Scouting team to better other teams’ Scouting teams this is the one. It is never this crazy at the top end - a 3 on some Lists is a 9 on others. Or out of the top 10 altogether. Zadina is certainly part of the crazy.
- Z3Hawk


Could also be that most teams, if not all, have their own filters based upon their needs - on the ice, or strategic concerns.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 21 @ 5:36 PM ET
Something came out yesterday on TSN Radio Montreal in an interview with the Habs Chief Scout. The big Finn center (Kotknemei) had ACL surgery about a year ago and he is supposedly fully healed but the scout figures he is still a couple years away from the NHL. By the tone of his voice he didn't sound like that was the Habs pick.

I think they are trading that #3 or are taking Tkachuk. Who's the only GM that Bergevin has taken to the cleaners in all of his time as GM in Montreal - you got it, Stanbo. Look for a trade.

- RickJ


Very very scoopy. I've read most anything out there and this is the first I heard the Finn had knee surgery. Has to be down low info, or irrelevant, and if so why would MTL's head scout make that public a day before the draft?

In my world that Finn has to be in the conversation after Dahlin and Svech. Maybe only Hughes for that 3 spot........... If they pass on Kotkaniemi OTT is next. Will the 8th and 27th be enough?
Stan_Bowman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.27.2017

Jun 21 @ 5:37 PM ET
Gosh ACLs are tough. Ottawa’s Karlsson admitted he never felt 100%.
- Z3Hawk


Karlsson has never had an ACL injury, he had an achilles injury
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