I think you’d give him $10 million for 7 years

Seriously, I could live with 5 years at $6 million per as long as it doesn’t prevent Stan from re-signing Schmaltz and DeBrincat. It would probably be the end of Anisimov but that’s a trade off I could live with.
- DarthKane

Anisimov is gone in a year anyway cause that's when his NTC expires. He may be gone this summer, but for sure next year.

Hey, just cause I like a guy doesn't mean I want to give him all the money in the world. I'd just like him on my favorite team helping them win

Laz highlighting how the Hawks will have a lot of cap space...

Saad-Toews-DeBrincat
JVR-Schmaltz-Kane
Ejdsell-Anisimov-Sikura
Hinostroza-Kampf-Hayden
Duclair

Keith-FAULK
Murphy-Seabrook
Forsling-Rutta
Gustafsson
Oesterle

Crawford
HUTTON

Let's assume:
JvR 6M
Hutton 3.5M
Duclair 1.5M
Total cap hit: 80.8M

I hate that fourth line...I still think Wingles Johnson Hayden or something similar with those kinds of players needs to be installed, and will be very effective.
- SoftServe

Vegas has their odds. Justin lays out his thoughts; some media have rationale. Wiz is saying, enough already.

Maybe the coming and going on for that West side hockey team shape up like this:

Stay/leave

Toews. 80/20
Seabrook. 70/30
Anisinov 30/70
Oesterle 30/70
Crawford 95/05
Quenneville. 60/40 by season end
Bowman. 70/30
Unforseen trade: 30/70

Anisimov is gone in a year anyway cause that's when his NTC expires. He may be gone this summer, but for sure next year.

Hey, just cause I like a guy doesn't mean I want to give him all the money in the world. I'd just like him on my favorite team helping them win
- L_B_R

I think Anisimov will be gone next season. They don’t have to deal him just yet but they can trade him next summer after paying his bonus. A team like Ottawa would benefit from a deal like this, $5 million in actual dollars and a cap hit of $9.1 million (over 2 years). Then money is freed up for Schmaltz. Maybe Anisimov accepts a deal this year to have some control over his destiny. But my money is on a deal next July.

Extremely unlikely, but I'm surprised to not hear of any talk regarding Jumbo Joe at all. Is it a foregone conclusion that he won't actually be reaching FA? It's inevitable he re-signs with the Sharks?

He'll turn 39 at the onset of free agency, so he obviously won't be getting any long-term deals, but considering the fact that he was still able to to produce 36 points in 47 games while winning 52% of his face-offs this past season gives me reason to believe that he's got just enough tread in his tires for one final push. Granted, I'm sure it would take a lot of convincing for him to leave the allure of sunny California, especially to a team that is coming off the year they just had, but I think he'd slot in perfectly in the top-six.

I'm sure he'd be seeking a Marleau-type deal this off-season, but if he could be had on a one-year; $7 million dollar deal, I think I would be all over it. That way, if the upcoming season is a repeat of the disaster we just witnessed, then we know that we can just blow it up the following year.

Would much rather give Jumbo Joe a deal like that rather than over-paying someone like JvR, Perron, etc.

Extremely unlikely, but I'm surprised to not hear of any talk regarding Jumbo Joe at all. Is it a foregone conclusion that he won't actually be reaching FA? It's inevitable he re-signs with the Sharks?

He'll turn 39 at the onset of free agency, so he obviously won't be getting any long-term deals, but considering the fact that he was still able to to produce 36 points in 47 games while winning 52% of his face-offs this past season gives me reason to believe that he's got just enough tread in his tires for one final push. Granted, I'm sure it would take a lot of convincing for him to leave luxurious California, especially to a team that is coming off the year they just had, but I think he'd slot in perfectly in the top-six.

I'm sure he'd be seeking a Marleau-type deal this off-season, but if he could be had on a one-year; $7 million dollar deal, I think I would be all over it. That way, if the upcoming season is a repeat of the disaster we just witnessed, then we know that we can just blow it up the following year.

Would much rather give Jumbo Joe a deal like that rather than over-paying someone like JvR, Perron, etc.
- TommyHawk

38, never fast, and coming off MAJOR knee injuries...pass IMO and I doubt he would leave SJ for the Hawks who are not a preseason contender

I really hope if the Hawks get JVR its 3-4 years MAX term.
- EnzoD

Why would the Hawks have any real interest in pursuing JVR at his age and salary expectation and getting into a bidding war?

JVR is a perfect fit for the Devils - Ryan Clowe, Marroon, Grabner and Drew Stafford are all coming off their books. And he's from New Jersey. Or he can go to the Rangers now that they have unloaded Rick Nash.

Why would the Hawks have any real interest in pursuing JVR at his age and salary expectation and getting into a bidding war?

JVR is a perfect fit for the Devils - Ryan Clowe, Marroon, Grabner and Drew Stafford are all coming off their books. And he's from New Jersey. Or he can go to the Rangers now that they have unloaded Rick Nash.
- RickJ

After the Hawks sign John Carlson, sign John Tavares and trade for Eric Karlsson.....they’re right back in Cup Contention. Lol

I would like him back here, and then draft Cousin Brady ! The kid got some bad advice, and as I commented in my post moments ago that current lineup, and no disrespect to whoever posted it, has Mike Smith smelly European flavor all over it. That is why I said back to the late 1990 and early 2000’s.
- wonthecup10

Is hell freezing over? Hawks trade for Hayes? Is never happening for so many reasons - one key one being that Hayes is not a good hockey player. I’ll let you guess the biggest reason. That Tkachuk is a cousin is just another reason not to draft him.

Lehner is terrible. So pass there. ROR is slow as it is and getting slower. Add in the fact the guy is a huge part of two fractured locker rooms plus doesn't score much 5v5 so pass there. Also. Buffalo doesn't have a lot of cap room to waste Hossa's cap hit in their salary structure.

Filippula is just plain bad at this point and Brodziak is 35. Schmaltz would be wasted on that 3rd line.

I would pass
- Elbows15

I will speak only of ROR. He was great at the Worlds. Moved great on the big ice. Dominant both ends of ice. Great on face-offs. Hard to question him on hating losing in Buffalo.

I was fiddling around with CapFriendly to plug in some rumored moves that have been swirling around lately and came up with this mock lineup that would be for both the upcoming season but possibly in place for 1-2 more barring some tweaks here and there. This lineup assumes the following mock trades, free agent signings, and 1st round pick at 8th:

TRADES

Hossa + Gustafsson to Coyotes for 2018 3rd + 2019 3rd

Anisimov + Rutta + Forsling + 2018 3rd + 2019 4th round for Duchene

FREE AGENTS
(all are UFAs)

Forward: Maroon, Nash (Riley, not Rick)

Defense: de Haan, Moore, Pateryn

DRAFT

Kotkaniemi, Tkachuk, or Wahlstrom

Zadina would be a dream if he fell to 8th but I doubt he drops of out the top 5

LINEUP

Saad - Toews - X
Maroon - Schmaltz - Kane
DeBrincat - Duchene - Sikura
Hinostroza - Nash - Hayden
Martinsen

Keith - Seabrook
de Haan - Murphy
Moore - Pateryn
Oesterle

Crawford
Forsberg

Assumes cap set at $80MM
Remaining cap at $4.8MM

The X right winger with Saad and Toews could be their 1st rounder assuming they draft a forward like Kotkaniemi, Tkachuk, Wahlstrom, or Zadina, but it could also be a free agent or some acquired in a trade.

Also, I didn't spend up to the cap to allow wiggle room to resign Schmaltz, DeBrincat, and/or Sikura in 1-2 years and Duchene next year (or move him at the 2019 TDL).

I haven't tried a mock lineup yet if Duchene was replaced with a trade for O'Reilly instead. I was thinking about Duchene as a highly skilled center to consider, so O'Reilly is worth considering if not Duchene (Tavares is just too unrealistic, IMHO). If I have time, I'll try a mock lineup with O'Reilly instead. Maybe another mock lineup with the van Riemsdyk brothers.

Using CapFriendly is new to me and I know Bowman is likely not going to sign 3 UFA d-men and may stick with one (or none) to go along with Oesterle, Gustafsson, and Rutta. Having more than one of 82, 56, and 44 is not ideal. Two is okay if one is the 7th defender but would rather just have only one on the roster.

Flame away!
- AEL_Fox

I like it just flip duch and smaltz plus Zadina would be awesome or the big finn

Still think hawks need to go with a forward mainly a center at 8.

Anyone catch Westworld last night?

Unreal!
- Hank3Henshaw

Thanks Scott - I haven't heard too much lately. I knew they were really exploring a lot of options and was told that we could be in for another crazy off-season. I wouldn't be surprised to see that 27th pick+ moved for a top 4 defenceman.

I don't have any specifics to share at this time with the Hawks but know there is a ton of discussions the last couple of days leading up to the draft.

It's going to be a lot of fun and I will update you guys if anything hits my phone/inbox.
- Justin Lowe

But is he going to take his usual tack (except for last off season) of waiting too long to pull the trigger?

But is he going to take his usual tack (except for last off season) of waiting too long to pull the trigger?
- StLBravesFan

Waiting too long to move who?

Waiting too long to move who?
- HawkintheD

Whatever move he has the opportunity to make - until the deal falls apart because his trading partner satisfied his goals elsewhere.

Whatever move he has the opportunity to make - until the deal falls apart because his trading partner satisfied his goals elsewhere.
- StLBravesFan

Isn’t the difference this year that he’s not obligated to make a move due to cap constraints?

Also, he got at least one serviceable player (whether you liked him or not) in Daley. Q wasn’t a fan at all so I give him a partial pass on Sharp who was a 33 yo salary dump at the time. Also, I know the myth has taken on legendary proportions but show me any other place where Dallas was giving Stan two seconds for Sharp.

So crazy idea for that "splash" signing McDonaugh likes.

Stan signs Trotz to a 4 year deal and fires Q.

Hawks get coach that just won the cup, Q becomes scapegoat. Could it happen?

So crazy idea for that "splash" signing McDonaugh likes.

Stan signs Trotz to a 4 year deal and fires Q.

Hawks get coach that just won the cup, Q becomes scapegoat. Could it happen?
- ikeane

Things that make you go Hmmmmm......

Things that make you go Hmmmmm......
- BGKarras

Trotzs would have to go sit a while because Q isn't loosing his gig without a fight. Rocky would never put a slip under the door.

Things that make you go Hmmmmm......
- BGKarras

Trotzs would have to go sit a while because Q isn't loosing his gig without a fight. Rocky would never put a slip under the door.

Stan's asleep at the wheel again....get could have got Hoffman for way less.

TRADE:

To #Sharks:
F Mike Hoffman
D Cody Donaghey
5th RD pick 2020

To #Sens:
F Mikkel Boedker
D Julius Bergman
6th RD pick 2020https://t.co/pOmLyOX15A

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) June 19, 2018

Sir, the Winter Classic, or any outdoor game, has lost its luster and with the Hawks playing so poorly last yr tickets are available at face value or below. ... I don't think you will have a problem getting tickets to the WC and if you have to pay over face value it shouldn't be much more than that.
- Mr Ricochet

Yes I know the outdoor games aren't thaaaat popular any more, but I thought there will be still some demand for that game in ND. As I don't have the opportunity that often to see the Hawks I wanted to make sure to somehow get in there So thanks for your help!

Stan's asleep at the wheel again....get could have got Hoffman for way less.

TRADE:

To #Sharks:
F Mike Hoffman
D Cody Donaghey
5th RD pick 2020

To #Sens:
F Mikkel Boedker
D Julius Bergman
6th RD pick 2020https://t.co/pOmLyOX15A

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) June 19, 2018

- DarthKane

Good to see the Sens move him quickly. Big gamble by the Sharks... but he's still a hell of a player and could work out to be a great deal for them.

I believe so. It's all about asset management, right? If neither Edjsell nor the #27 pick turn into a NHL player, then you've essentially give away a useful middle 6 player with no valuable return. Picks have value based on projected NHL impact, so you cannot disconnect the two imo. Otherwise, you're comparing a useful player in Hartman to something that has no correlative value and thus it doesn't work. Hartman to Edjsell is easier, but it's still hard because the context surrounding them is so different. It's a faulty comparison until the variables of the situation are more similar - i.e. how the perform in the NHL.

Your example is an outlier - how many #1 picks in the last two decades have actually turned out poorly? And conversely, how many of them are franchise players? There are always busts, but the chanses of a #1 overall not being pretty great, especially lately, is low. The chances of a late 1st round pick not working out is, historically, around 70% - meaning, only about 30% of guys picked at #27 make it to play 100 NHL games. That is not to say that quality players cannot be found here, just that there is inherent risk.

(your example is also situational because Yakupov on a different, better team maybe doesn't bust but that is hypothetical)
- L_B_R

If neither Edjsell or the pick don’t turn into anything at the NHL level, they didn’t give Hartman away for nothing, they gave him away for what they saw as 2 solid shots at an NHL player a couple years down the line. If the pick and the prospect don’t pan out, it isn’t really fair to say that it was a bad trade at the time it was made because of the probabilistic nature of player development.

Yes my example is an outlier, but it isn’t meant to represent a common scenario, it’s meant to show that there is a flaw in valuing trades for picks and prospects based on what actually happens to these players. These trades have to be assessed based on what the value was of the assets at the time of the trade.

I think it’s best to think of picks and prospects as something like lottery tickets. Let’s say you have a lottery ticket with a 10% chance of winning $100. The real value of that ticket is $10. Now let’s say the ticket is being sold for $5, then it would be smart to buy the ticket, just based on expected value. Much like picks and prospects, the value of the ticket is determined at the time of purchase. If you buy the ticket and it losses, it was still objectively a good purchase, even though you have come up empty handed. That is the same way that I believe we have to assess trades, and I am sure it’s what they are doing at the management level to assess their trading performance.

Good to see the Sens move him quickly. Big gamble by the Sharks... but he's still a hell of a player and could work out to be a great deal for them.
- Justin Lowe

Great move by the Sharks, I don't see much of a gamble. Boedker was a complete bust and Hoffman is a major improvement. Looks like the fire sale in Ottawa has begun!

Great move by the Sharks, I don't see much of a gamble. Boedker was a complete bust and Hoffman is a major improvement. Looks like the fire sale in Ottawa has begun!


- DarthKane

Gamble if you looking at it from a locker room perspective. Don't think the wives of the Sharks players are too happy right now either.