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EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 18 @ 1:11 PM ET
Toews for Malkin? (Weren't the Hawks to get him last year..or was that the year before?)
- PatShart


Toews for #3 overall + full $10.5mil absorbed by Bergevin
jt19
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: LAINGSBURG, MI
Joined: 11.20.2008

Jun 18 @ 1:15 PM ET
how about toews for weber straight up?
jt19
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: LAINGSBURG, MI
Joined: 11.20.2008

Jun 18 @ 1:17 PM ET
kevin allen (usatoday)'s top 10:
Here’s our mock draft.

1. Buffalo Sabres: Defenseman Rasmus Dahlin, Frolunda (Sweden): Considered the best all-around defenseman prospect in the past quarter-century. He’s 6-foot-3 and proficient in every aspect of the game. This is a game-changing acquisition for the Sabres.

2. Carolina Hurricanes: Right wing Andrei Svechnikov, Barrie (Ontario Hockey League): Has ability to step into the NHL next season and score immediately. He netted 40 in 44 games this season. Could be a 20-goal scorer in the NHL as a rookie.

3. Montreal Canadiens: Left wing Filip Zadina, Halifax (Quebec Major Junior Hockey League): Also projected to play next season. Registered 82 points in 57 games. This is a perfect fit for a team that needs an offensive boost.

4. Ottawa Senators: Defenseman Quinn Hughes, University of Michigan: Skilled and exciting offensive defenseman who is the older brother of prospect Jack Hughes, who is projected to go No. 1 overall in the 2019 draft. If the Senators are trading Erik Karlsson, this pick seems like the right one.

5. Arizona Coyotes: Left wing Brady Tkachuk, Boston University: He’s Keith’s son and Matthew’s brother, and he carries on the family tradition of being a tough, physical, skilled power forward. Keith once played for the Coyotes organization. It’s not unthinkable that Brady could be the best of the Tkachuks.

6. Detroit Red Wings: Defenseman Evan Bouchard, London (OHL): The Red Wings desperately want a blue-chip defensive prospect, and Bouchard can be that guy. He’s 6-foot-2 and can do it all. A gifted passer who can also be an effective defensive player. He’s also a right-handed shooter. Everyone is looking for those.

7. Vancouver Canucks: Center Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Assat Pori (Finland): At 6-foot-2, he plays like the big, strong center that every NHL team wants. Had 10 goals and 29 points playing as a 17-year-old this past season.

8. Chicago Blackhawks: Center/wing Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. National Team Development Program: A gifted offensive player who can score off the rush or in goalmouth scrambles. Will be strong at the net. Owns an impressive shot release.


9. New York Rangers: Defenseman Noah Dobson, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL): A 6-foot-3 defenseman who can handle the puck and play well in his own end. Has agility and strength. Uses his size well. High-value pick if the Rangers get him at No. 9.

10. Edmonton Oilers: Defenseman Adam Boqvist, Brynas (Sweden): Smallish defenseman who can be electrifying with the puck on his stick.
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.19.2016

Jun 18 @ 1:26 PM ET
Thing about this is I don't see a huge enough difference between Wahlstrom and Zadina where the Hawks would give up the 27th and a 3rd rounder for the Czech in a deep draft.

Unless they are focused on Wahlstrom and think he'd go before they pick 8th and have Zadina rated that much higher.

- Mr Ricochet


I agree. Will see what happens. I just want to see that third line materialize
Cat Schmaltz Sikura could be fun to watch. Obvi would need a lot more top 6 forward depth to allow for Cat and Schmaltz to play on the third line, but fun to think about.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 18 @ 1:27 PM ET
how about toews for weber straight up?
- jt19
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 18 @ 1:32 PM ET

- L_B_R


Agreed! Weber is beaten down, battered, and older than Johnny. Hard pass!
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 18 @ 1:32 PM ET
Thing about this is I don't see a huge enough difference between Wahlstrom and Zadina where the Hawks would give up the 27th and a 3rd rounder for the Czech in a deep draft.

Unless they are focused on Wahlstrom and think he'd go before they pick 8th and have Zadina rated that much higher.

- Mr Ricochet

Zadina should be rated higher by everyone and by all accounts is. He's also likely ready for the NHL now vs in at least a year for Wahlstrom.
Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wherever I leave my hat
Joined: 07.26.2006

Jun 18 @ 1:39 PM ET
I do not think that history on Ejdsel is correct. He was not a Preds draft pick (or anyone else's) but a late bloomer signed as a free agent only a year ago.
- 67hawks


Correct- Victor Edjsell-Undrafted FA signing May 2017 by Nashville (Detroit and Hawks rumored to also have interest). Played 0 games in NHL for Pred's.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 18 @ 1:40 PM ET
I think Dahlstrom has good upside to a bottom pair guy, and the depth at defense is a team's bread and butter to trade discard and move to the next while controlling the Cap.

The jury on Chad Krys is still out.

Both Russian forwards are sneaky good and eventually make an impact.

and will say it again...they are more valuable if the rookie starting cap figures now what, $950,000 apply...if they come later, they will want more and that just complicates matters, especially if the turn into Panarins and you are unable to sign and keep them because they are high ticket items.

I can't get the sight of the third one, Maxim Shalunov , sending a puck from the centre of his defensive zone not only over the opposing goalies head, but overall the glass for a delay of game penalty.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 18 @ 1:44 PM ET
I just saw Mark Lazerus Sunday Sun-Times Mock and I have to wonder if he missed the discussions, possible scenarios being tossed around this board and the hockey on line world in general.
He seems stuck in the NHL mock world of March.

Someone get him a subscription for tom the Athletic, ok?

I added a wrinkle on DraftSite if you click on a team name...I mapped possible scenarios for every team...talk about too deep into something...
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 18 @ 1:47 PM ET
kevin allen (usatoday)'s top 10:
Here’s our mock draft.

1. Buffalo Sabres: Defenseman Rasmus Dahlin, Frolunda (Sweden): Considered the best all-around defenseman prospect in the past quarter-century. He’s 6-foot-3 and proficient in every aspect of the game. This is a game-changing acquisition for the Sabres.

2. Carolina Hurricanes: Right wing Andrei Svechnikov, Barrie (Ontario Hockey League): Has ability to step into the NHL next season and score immediately. He netted 40 in 44 games this season. Could be a 20-goal scorer in the NHL as a rookie.

3. Montreal Canadiens: Left wing Filip Zadina, Halifax (Quebec Major Junior Hockey League): Also projected to play next season. Registered 82 points in 57 games. This is a perfect fit for a team that needs an offensive boost.


4. Ottawa Senators: Defenseman Quinn Hughes, University of Michigan: Skilled and exciting offensive defenseman who is the older brother of prospect Jack Hughes, who is projected to go No. 1 overall in the 2019 draft. If the Senators are trading Erik Karlsson, this pick seems like the right one.

5. Arizona Coyotes: Left wing Brady Tkachuk, Boston University: He’s Keith’s son and Matthew’s brother, and he carries on the family tradition of being a tough, physical, skilled power forward. Keith once played for the Coyotes organization. It’s not unthinkable that Brady could be the best of the Tkachuks.

6. Detroit Red Wings: Defenseman Evan Bouchard, London (OHL): The Red Wings desperately want a blue-chip defensive prospect, and Bouchard can be that guy. He’s 6-foot-2 and can do it all. A gifted passer who can also be an effective defensive player. He’s also a right-handed shooter. Everyone is looking for those.

7. Vancouver Canucks: Center Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Assat Pori (Finland): At 6-foot-2, he plays like the big, strong center that every NHL team wants. Had 10 goals and 29 points playing as a 17-year-old this past season.

8. Chicago Blackhawks: Center/wing Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. National Team Development Program: A gifted offensive player who can score off the rush or in goalmouth scrambles. Will be strong at the net. Owns an impressive shot release.


9. New York Rangers: Defenseman Noah Dobson, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL): A 6-foot-3 defenseman who can handle the puck and play well in his own end. Has agility and strength. Uses his size well. High-value pick if the Rangers get him at No. 9.

10. Edmonton Oilers: Defenseman Adam Boqvist, Brynas (Sweden): Smallish defenseman who can be electrifying with the puck on his stick.

- jt19


Another Dinosaur hockey scribe whose best days are gone.
When he was doing the USAToday Mocks and since, there has never been a year where I successfully topped his picks and place more prospects properly in the first round than he did...

but I like looking at mocks....
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 18 @ 1:48 PM ET
Sorry but Edjsell is not a NHL player.
- Elbows15



Well his size and shot ARE.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 18 @ 1:59 PM ET
Well his size and shot ARE.
- wiz1901


Where do you see him fitting in? I feel like he is one of those guys that will never have the huge point totals in the NHL, but could be a consistent 25-35 point guy in the bottom 6 who could use his size to play some real important minutes in key situations. He looks like he plays the game the right way and does have a good shot. The question in my mind (I don't know if it will be an issue) is around the speed of the NHL and the hockey IQ required to play at that speed.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 18 @ 1:59 PM ET
Correct- Victor Edjsell-Undrafted FA signing May 2017 by Nashville (Detroit and Hawks rumored to also have interest). Played 0 games in NHL for Pred's.
- Revco38

Bows didn't say Edjsell was drafted or that he spent time in the NHL, he just said he spent some time within the Preds organization aka with their AHL team. Edjsell did play some there before then going back to Sweden, yes? He was at the camp for a while at least.

What Bows was wrong about is that Edjsell always was going back to Sweden - they just had him over before his season started iirc.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:01 PM ET
Well his size and shot ARE.
- wiz1901


Thank you, Wiz!
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:12 PM ET
Anyone catch Westworld last night?

Unreal!
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
Two months, are you kidding me??? One bad period and this board erupts...
- riozzo

Seriously though. At 5M? Maybe but you would be paying over 28M for 3 forwards. The Hawks would be right back in cap hell and being forced to move players like Schmaltz and DinkyCat for peanuts. When both of those players are giving you pretty much the same production right now. And both have potential to provide more.

ROR is not worth the assets the Sabres are looking to obtain for him.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:34 PM ET
Zadina should be rated higher by everyone and by all accounts is. He's also likely ready for the NHL now vs in at least a year for Wahlstrom.
- L_B_R


Realizing each orgaIzation and where the club is competitively at that particular time I wonder your thoughts on this? Take a guy lower on your board, or spend resources to move up in the draft for one that's higher on your board, only cuz he will arrive on the NHL scene a yr earlier?

This is what I posted on the last blog that concerns me. StanBow has to be in survival mode and as a result may pay with the 27th and 3rd rd to move to 3 to draft a probably NHL ready Zadina in an effort to save his job. This instead of taking a very similar to Zadina Wahlstrom with the 8th, wait the yr or two for him to arrive, take a home run swing with the 27th on a Merkley or a solid prospect in Dellandrea/Hayton/Thomas/Sandin/Farabee type and with the 3rd a nice looking Tychonik/Ranta type.

I don't like the idea of using resources, or even take a lesser player, for a player that will arrive a yr or 2 earlier when talking about a player you'll have for 10-12 yrs. .....IIRC deep playoff and cup teams have multiple players who were taken in the same draft.

Rather see a club address now needs in the trade or free agent market not the draft where very very very few can help right now.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 18 @ 2:34 PM ET
Seriously though. At 5M? Maybe but you would be paying over 28M for 3 forwards. The Hawks would be right back in cap hell and being forced to move players like Schmaltz and DinkyCat for peanuts. When both of those players are giving you pretty much the same production right now. And both have potential to provide more.

ROR is not worth the assets the Sabres are looking to obtain for him.

- Elbows15


Agreed. Hawks should not be acquiring anyone over the age of 26 IMO.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:35 PM ET
Well his size and shot ARE.
- wiz1901

Great. Except he was getting knocked on his ass pretty easily last season. His skating ISNT
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:38 PM ET
Bows didn't say Edjsell was drafted or that he spent time in the NHL, he just said he spent some time within the Preds organization aka with their AHL team, which Edjsell did play 5 games before then going back to Sweden. That is accurate.

What Bows was wrong about is that Edjsell always was going back to Sweden - they just had him over before his season started iirc.

- L_B_R

Right on the games part. That little experience really soured the Preds on him. Which made him available for Hartman plus a hope.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:40 PM ET
Point remains, Keith and Chara may both be considered elite, but they are very different players and neither one falls into the "typical" category very often.

You are right, the Hawks D has been trending to more balanced minutes, especially with Keith/Seabrook starting to give up more PP minutes. They aren't yet so balanced as Boston, but it has been changing for the last few seasons.

- breadbag


Is that because Keith and or Seabs' production is so poor in those extra 2-3 minutes per game or the rest of the defense has earned those minutes?
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 18 @ 2:43 PM ET
Right on the games part. That little experience really soured the Preds on him. Which made him available for Hartman plus a hope.
- Elbows15


Well Hartman certainly HURT the Predators more than he helped them vs Winnipeg, so I'd call that trade a win for the Hawks, even with the uncertainty on Ejdsell and #27 overall.....
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 18 @ 2:45 PM ET
Well Hartman certainly HURT the Predators more than he helped them vs Winnipeg, so I'd call that trade a win for the Hawks, even with the uncertainty on Ejdsell and #27 overall.....
- EnzoD

So trading a 30-35 point guy for nothing helps in your world? Makes sense. Guess Rinne being a sieve had nothing to do with it?
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 18 @ 2:49 PM ET
So trading a 30-35 point guy for nothing helps in your world? Makes sense. Guess Rinne being a sieve had nothing to do with it?
- Elbows15


Hartman took at least 3 terrible penalties in the O-zone, was a healthy scratch multiple times, and was probably not a priority of Q or Stan's to resign as a RFA this summer. Lots of options with #27 overall...the Hawks could get another Jokiharju-level prospect at 27, or use 27 to trade into the Top 3, or use it as part of a trade to move Hossa's contract, or use it get Defense help....it looks even better. IF Ejdell can improve his strenght and skating and be a 3rd line depth scorer with size...looks like a clear win for Stan. I loved Hartman as a rookie but his game fell off a cliff last year, and he looked even worse with the Preds.
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