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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jun 19 @ 11:26 AM ET
If it's truly firesale time in Ottawa, what about making a play for Duchene or Zack Smith? Both could help the Hawks down the middle.

While I'm sure the price on Duchene would be high (and you'd have to figure out an extension with him as he's UFA after the year), weren't there rumblings last year the Hawks were interested in him?

- Hawksfan37

If interested, check out the bottom of page 8 of these comments. I proposed a mock trade for Duchene.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:29 AM ET

- DarthKane


I love your GIFs.....

Ottawa wouldn't trade with Florida since they are in the same division, and if they were Tallon would have had to overpay.

Great move by Wilson. HE's loading up with cap space and assets to make some major moves.

And I know 1 guy will lose his mind, but the Chicago Blackhawks are now Patrick Kane's team baring Toews finding his 2015 game.

If Im Doug Wilson I'm talking to Trotz. If he can handle the pressure of "never winning" in Washington, he can handle it in San Jose. A perfect landing spot for him....talent, and an aggressive GM. I know he's some sort of a Canadian god, but I would take Trotz over babcock every day of the week.


I'm very fearful McDonough will orchestrate some over the top, over payment splash so he can dust off his traveling podium and have the kids hold up their posters...….this team is quickly sinking in the relevancy of many fans each day.


wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 19 @ 11:33 AM ET
Watch Tallon ship Hoffman to Chicago...
- resqmed99



Tallon has a bit of a team fanbase that is knowleagble to be angry they didn't keep and pay Jonathan Marchessault, so I look at this as a way to tell them they took advantage of a situation (remember what I posted yesterday?) and besides whether they use him in there top six, they have the Henrik Borgström, and they just got a wing to help him adjust...
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 19 @ 11:33 AM ET


one last thing: I think Wahlstom decided to uncommit from Boston College or at least leave it open? (I may be incorrect) If so that tells me he is trying to make himself more attractive to draft and develop as a soon to play NHLer.


- wiz1901


Is this new news? Last I knew he decommited from Harvard to Boston College. ..... Would add I like the idea of a kid having the smarts to be accepted into an Ivy League school.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jun 19 @ 11:35 AM ET
I'd be ok with over paying some for De Haan. A reasonable 4th Dman, left handed shot, just turned 27. One way or another the club has to add a top 4 Dman and this guy doesn't cost assets and they do have the space to add him and still make a more moves.

Has Duchene been playing center in Ottawa?

- Mr Ricochet

In this mock lineup I had de Haan signed for 4 years but I could see him signed for 5.

Moore and Pateryn were signed for 2 years to allow time for the likes of Hillman, Gilbert, Carlsson, and Jokiharju to develop properly but not have the veterans locked in too long where the prospects wouldn't have spots open to fill.

As for Duchene, not sure if he didn't play center much in Ottawa, but pivot is where he's played most in his career and he's great at faceoffs.
jhawk159
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 10.13.2009

Jun 19 @ 11:44 AM ET
I changed my mock draft board today again, feeling that after Dahlin, Ottawa Vancouver and even Arizona, may be comfortable taking the defenders...every team thinks, well, we won't be picking so close to the top again, and there may not be a class so thick so this is the opportunity...."

My board below is changed to cause fan interest, and I like tossing bones (like I did to Blackhawks and Edmonton), but unless the three aforementioned above the hawks teams (and Wings going hometown with Hughes before the Canucks select (and those goofy Bouchard & Dobson go earlier, which I think is a stretch for me),

AT VERY LEAST,

three of the guys in slots 4 - 10 are there.

No one who loves the hawks should think anything but highly if they are able to select Quinn Hughes.

No one who loves the hawks should think anything but highly if they are able to select any of the three forwards, and they are all different
Filip Zadina is simply so smart active in three zones, creative active and is deadly shooter, and all the perimeter player horsefeathers is just that. he is fearless, goes gets the pucks in the battle zones and on the wall, he plays hungry to score. He backs the defenders into the zone carries on the entires, etc.

Oliver Wahlstrom has incredible numbers and also can secure zone entires and the guy has so much accuracy and snap behind his Patrick-Sharp-like quickness. He does make contact, and fight for pucks, but similar to my criticism of Nick Schmaltz in his draft year, he looks for line-mates to unearth and get him many of his chances. Don't get me wrong: he is a threat to score after bursting through, b/c he has terrific straight away speed, just don't think you are getting a Schmaltz type agile East-West attacker.

Brady Tkachuk is the dream...I have extensive detailed why I love him, defended his upside, and he is the dream drop, because as you will start reading no scouts see any of the misgivings people are attempting to attach to him here.

By the way if you go to DraftSite, I have a whole bunch of other stuff written on all these guys and most of the entire seven rounds and anybody else you like I don't have listed in my top seven rounds...search their names and see.

one last thing: I think Wahlstom decided to uncommit from Boston College or at least leave it open? (I may be incorrect) If so that tells me he is trying to make himself more attractive to draft and develop as a soon to play NHLer.

1 Buffalo logo Buffalo Rasmus Dahlin D (SHL) 6' 2.75" 185
2 Carolina logo Carolina Andrei Svechnikov RW(OHL) 6' 2" 192
3 Montreal logo Montreal Jesperi Kotkaniemi C (SM-liiga)6' 2 181
4 Ottawa logo Ottawa Evan Bouchard D (OHL) 6' 2" 196
5 Arizona logo Arizona Noah Dobson D (QMJHL) 6' 3" 177
6 Detroit logo Detroit Filip Zadina RW (QMJHL) 6' 0" 197
7 Vancouver Vancouver Quinton Hughes D Michigan 5' 10" 176
8 Chicago logo Chicago Brady Tkachuk LW Boston U 6' 3" 192
9 NY Rangers NYRangers Adam Boqvist D Bryn(SHL)1.5" 165
10 Edmonton Edmonton Oliver Wahlstrom LW USNTDP (USHL) 6' 1"

- wiz1901


I thought Brady Tkachuk was supposed to be a top 6 pick what causing him to possibly drop to #8? I hope he does drop to #8. I think he would be a great pick for the Hawks.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:50 AM ET
In this mock lineup I had de Haan signed for 4 years but I could see him signed for 5.

Moore and Pateryn were signed for 2 years to allow time for the likes of Hillman, Gilbert, Carlsson, and Jokiharju to develop properly but not have the veterans locked in too long where the prospects wouldn't have spots open to fill.

As for Duchene, not sure if he didn't play center much in Ottawa, but pivot is where he's played most in his career and he's great at faceoffs.

- AEL_Fox



IF he's cleaning house.....Duchene, Ryan, and Karlsson will all be gone soon. Ryan may need to be leveraged with Karlsson.


z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 19 @ 11:51 AM ET
I thought Brady Tkachuk was supposed to be a top 6 pick what causing him to possibly drop to #8? I hope he does drop to #8. I think he would be a great pick for the Hawks.
- jhawk159



This draft is shaping up to be a total WTH kinda thing. All these D are jumping up draft boards. Crazy trades like the Hoffman chronicles today. Good stuff..

L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 19 @ 11:54 AM ET
Actually no, it wasn't one game. There were many blowouts both ways last season and you need only look as far as game #2 to see the second.

The Hawks in general played less with the score close, as I had said, but still adjusted for that his effectiveness was significantly down. Hartman got away from a lot of what made him effective in his first season and the data does back that up. He didn't do the things that got him the opportunity to play higher in the lineup.

Those 19 points he got in the 55 games following those two blowouts to start the year don't impress me. 9th best on the team doesn't stand out...old man Sharp scored nearly as many in fewer games over that span.

He didn't do much in close games to be a factor, not like he showed in that rookie season where his presence was better. He took some dumb penalties at bad times. I believe he was traded for a reason and a part of it was his disappointing season IMO.

- breadbag

5-1 is not a blow out and Hartman did not factor into it so it shouldn't be removed from his record just because you randomly decided it should be. If you remove any game with a score of over 4+ games, then it would lower everyone on the team (and the leagues) totals and so your comparison to other players is no longer relevant as you're holding one player to different standards. And I don't agree the data backs up your claim at all - I provided with you a lot more info than just shots in a single situation of close games (which most stats people don't believe is a useful situation anymore anyway). Shot rate was higher, scoring chance / high danger were higher, transitions were better, defensive play was better, passing was better, etc etc.

But it's fine, we're not going to agree on this and it doesn't really matter anyway.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:55 AM ET
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A source tells me it's unlikely, at least at this point, that the Blackhawks will trade the 8th overall pick. They're excited about a number of players that may be available at that spot. Trading the 27th pick for immediate help HAS been discussed and is a real possibility.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 19 @ 11:55 AM ET
I thought Brady Tkachuk was supposed to be a top 6 pick what causing him to possibly drop to #8? I hope he does drop to #8. I think he would be a great pick for the Hawks.
- jhawk159

People think he may drop because 1) other teams will run on defense, 2) Habs may want a center, and 3) his possible commitment to NCAA is souring some on him.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:56 AM ET
I changed my mock draft board today again, feeling that after Dahlin, Ottawa Vancouver and even Arizona, may be comfortable taking the defenders...every team thinks, well, we won't be picking so close to the top again, and there may not be a class so thick so this is the opportunity...."

My board below is changed to cause fan interest, and I like tossing bones (like I did to Blackhawks and Edmonton), but unless the three aforementioned above the hawks teams (and Wings going hometown with Hughes before the Canucks select (and those goofy Bouchard & Dobson go earlier, which I think is a stretch for me),

AT VERY LEAST,

three of the guys in slots 4 - 10 are there.

No one who loves the hawks should think anything but highly if they are able to select Quinn Hughes.

No one who loves the hawks should think anything but highly if they are able to select any of the three forwards, and they are all different
Filip Zadina is simply so smart active in three zones, creative active and is deadly shooter, and all the perimeter player horsefeathers is just that. he is fearless, goes gets the pucks in the battle zones and on the wall, he plays hungry to score. He backs the defenders into the zone carries on the entires, etc.

Oliver Wahlstrom has incredible numbers and also can secure zone entires and the guy has so much accuracy and snap behind his Patrick-Sharp-like quickness. He does make contact, and fight for pucks, but similar to my criticism of Nick Schmaltz in his draft year, he looks for line-mates to unearth and get him many of his chances. Don't get me wrong: he is a threat to score after bursting through, b/c he has terrific straight away speed, just don't think you are getting a Schmaltz type agile East-West attacker.

Brady Tkachuk is the dream...I have extensive detailed why I love him, defended his upside, and he is the dream drop, because as you will start reading no scouts see any of the misgivings people are attempting to attach to him here.

By the way if you go to DraftSite, I have a whole bunch of other stuff written on all these guys and most of the entire seven rounds and anybody else you like I don't have listed in my top seven rounds...search their names and see.

one last thing: I think Wahlstom decided to uncommit from Boston College or at least leave it open? (I may be incorrect) If so that tells me he is trying to make himself more attractive to draft and develop as a soon to play NHLer.

1 Buffalo logo Buffalo Rasmus Dahlin D (SHL) 6' 2.75" 185
2 Carolina logo Carolina Andrei Svechnikov RW(OHL) 6' 2" 192
3 Montreal logo Montreal Jesperi Kotkaniemi C (SM-liiga)6' 2 181
4 Ottawa logo Ottawa Evan Bouchard D (OHL) 6' 2" 196
5 Arizona logo Arizona Noah Dobson D (QMJHL) 6' 3" 177
6 Detroit logo Detroit Filip Zadina RW (QMJHL) 6' 0" 197
7 Vancouver Vancouver Quinton Hughes D Michigan 5' 10" 176
8 Chicago logo Chicago Brady Tkachuk LW Boston U 6' 3" 192
9 NY Rangers NYRangers Adam Boqvist D Bryn(SHL)1.5" 165
10 Edmonton Edmonton Oliver Wahlstrom LW USNTDP (USHL) 6' 1"

- wiz1901


Wiz, you are doing some big dreaming here if you think Brady T is dropping to #8 just so Stanbo can pick him.

Now since Gene Gene "the Dancing Machine" Melnyk needs money, how about the Hawks get creative and spend. Like #8 and #27 this year and their #1 next year (and a player or two for Ottawa's #4 and Erik Karlsson. That would be McD's type of headlines.

mrpaulish
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Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:59 AM ET
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I'll also say to not assume the 27th pick, if traded, would necessarily be for a defenseman. As I reported earlier this offseason, the Hawks want a center and could use 27 to upgrade up the middle.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 19 @ 12:00 PM ET
Hossa's contract has to be more and more inviting to the Senators, don't you think?
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 19 @ 12:14 PM ET
Stan Bowman's Thursday press conference:

"We like our team"

"We will look very similar in September"

"We expect Corey to be 100% healthy for the season start"

more fluff and tap dancing
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 19 @ 12:15 PM ET
Wiz, you are doing some big dreaming here if you think Brady T is dropping to #8 just so Stanbo can pick him.

Now since Gene Gene "the Dancing Machine" Melnyk needs money, how about the Hawks get creative and spend. Like #8 and #27 this year and their #1 next year (and a player or two for Ottawa's #4 and Erik Karlsson. That would be McD's type of headlines.

- RickJ


Yowsa!! Hawks 8th-27th this yr, Jokiharju, Hossa, Forsling, 1st next yr for their 4th this yr (Zadina), Karlsson (if he signs an extention) and Pageau?

Top 6 done, elite puck moving Dman done, 3C done. Salary cap?
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 19 @ 12:20 PM ET
Wiz, you are doing some big dreaming here if you think Brady T is dropping to #8 just so Stanbo can pick him.

Now since Gene Gene "the Dancing Machine" Melnyk needs money, how about the Hawks get creative and spend. Like #8 and #27 this year and their #1 next year (and a player or two for Ottawa's #4 and Erik Karlsson. That would be McD's type of headlines.

- RickJ


It's a bit early for the whiskey Rick But I like this idea a lot
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:22 PM ET
I thought Brady Tkachuk was supposed to be a top 6 pick what causing him to possibly drop to #8? I hope he does drop to #8. I think he would be a great pick for the Hawks.
- jhawk159


He is....this mock is just one of many possibilities, and it is based solely on FOUR DEFENDERS going before the hawks pick...thatbis a lot to ask, and with Bob McKenzie CONTINUING TO SAY THE DEFENDERS HAVEN'T BACK-SLID, BUT THE fact teams like a couple of centers they may sneak in above the hawks.



I think he would be a great pick for the Hawks.
- jhawk159


So do I.

I just wish the league had a way to unsure a team picking a college bound early first rounder from bolting and the measly compensation is (say the hawks took Brady) would be a the 38th pick...in a future draft...
It just seems like a supplemental pick between the original draft spot of #8 and maybe a mid-round where the league does some sort of lottery ball for the supplemental...so luck decided where the pick lands in the FIRST...this way the other teams won't whine about how they dropped a spot...it os all based on lotto balls too.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 19 @ 12:24 PM ET
https://dobberhockey.com/...-rattie-and-more-june-18/


Here is one former amateur scout recounting some scouting history on Mike Hoffman from back when he was a junior player. In a nutshell, McCagg mentions that Hoffman was let go by Kitchener despite his talent because his teammates didn’t get along with him and no other team wanted him in the OHL so he moved to the QMJHL. Half a season later he wore out his welcome with Hull and was released, to be picked up by Drummondville. No NHL team drafted him in 2008 and he lasted until the fifth round in 2009. It’s an interesting thread of tweets (brought to my attention thanks to the good people in the Dobber Forum – amazing resource). So he is alleged to have some maturity issues and is apparently somewhat arrogant. Still, I can see his being railroaded out of the NHL as we’ve seen happen with players who don’t conform, over the years. Brad Marchand being the lone exception. The media circus becomes a distraction, your behaviour gets under a microscope, and the domino effect begins. You hit a couple of posts, you’re not quite as productive, which leads to less ice time which leads to even less productivity…and so the spiral goes.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:26 PM ET
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I'll also say to not assume the 27th pick, if traded, would necessarily be for a defenseman. As I reported earlier this offseason, the Hawks want a center and could use 27 to upgrade up the middle.

- mrpaulish


I love me a
Ty Dellandrea if he is still there....he has got size plays fearless with some physicality and can score, generate.

Let's discuss this off the wall concept:

What if the hawks select Barrett Hayton at slot#8, or a slight drop for picks?

Bob mcKenzie seems to have scouts that think HE CAN elevate to first line centre...and that teams Amy take him earlier than the many of the "uber-defenseman" that have held court in the top picks for the past five months.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:27 PM ET
https://dobberhockey.com/hockey-rambling/ramblings-is-mike-hoffman-done-as-a-good-fantasy-own-hinostroza-hutton-rattie-and-more-june-18/


Here is one former amateur scout recounting some scouting history on Mike Hoffman from back when he was a junior player. In a nutshell, McCagg mentions that Hoffman was let go by Kitchener despite his talent because his teammates didn’t get along with him and no other team wanted him in the OHL so he moved to the QMJHL. Half a season later he wore out his welcome with Hull and was released, to be picked up by Drummondville. No NHL team drafted him in 2008 and he lasted until the fifth round in 2009. It’s an interesting thread of tweets (brought to my attention thanks to the good people in the Dobber Forum – amazing resource). So he is alleged to have some maturity issues and is apparently somewhat arrogant. Still, I can see his being railroaded out of the NHL as we’ve seen happen with players who don’t conform, over the years. Brad Marchand being the lone exception. The media circus becomes a distraction, your behaviour gets under a microscope, and the domino effect begins. You hit a couple of posts, you’re not quite as productive, which leads to less ice time which leads to even less productivity…and so the spiral goes.

- Mr Ricochet


Thanks for this insight post, Pic
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 19 @ 12:30 PM ET
I love me a
Ty Dellandrea if he is still there....he has got size plays fearless with some physicality and can score, generate.

Let's discuss this off the wall concept:

What if the hawks select Barrett Hayton at slot#8, or a slight drop for picks?

Bob mcKenzie seems to have scouts that think HE CAN elevate to first line centre...and that teams Amy take him earlier than the many of the "uber-defenseman" that have held court in the top picks for the past five months.

- wiz1901


Nice player Hayton but if Kotkaniemi is gone and I'm reaching for a center Velano looks like he has more upside and is every bit a defensive gem that Hayton is, no?
Stan_Bowman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.27.2017

Jun 19 @ 12:31 PM ET
Doug Wilson is looking like a genius
- ikeane


Everyone should be calling Ottawa now. Dorion is in a perpetual no-win cycle of being handcuffed by his owner and unique circumstances.

Hoffman was a toxic asset, he was pretty much hog tied there in terms of a return. Factor in he has a cancer for an owner and he is never allowed to make a trade where he takes back more money than he sends out, and welp, you have the senators as they sit here today.

Dorion might actually be a very smart GM, but you will never know it as long as he sits in ottawa, and it will likely prevent him from ever becoming a GM elsewhere again
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 19 @ 12:32 PM ET

Think they’ll use this event to announce the salary cap information????

NEW YORK/TORONTO (June 15, 2018) – The National Hockey League (NHL) and the National Hockey League Players’ Association (NHLPA) invites media to attend a press event with the Humboldt Broncos on Tuesday, June 19 at 2:30 p.m. at the Encore at Wynn Las Vegas. All times are (PT) and subject to change.

WHAT: Interview, video, and photo opportunity.

WHO: Representatives from the NHL, NHLPA and Humboldt Broncos

WHERE: Encore at Wynn Las Vegas, Encore Ballroom 5
 3131 S Las Vegas Blvd, Las Vegas, NV 89109

WHEN: Tuesday, June 19 2:30 p.m.  
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:33 PM ET
Stan Bowman's Thursday press conference:

"We like our team"

"We will look very similar in September"

"We expect Corey to be 100% healthy for the season start"

more fluff and tap dancing

- walleyeb1


He was gonna come out and say,

"We are really really concerned about our team, and the holes we have to fill"

"You really won't recognize the team with all the new faces we will be totally different We will look totally different in September"

"We expect be active on bidding on a back-up who can be a solid long streak option if Corey backslides."


Think about it; why would he put himself in a position where his answer must reveal more b/c if the actions do not come to fruition, you rake him over the coals...
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