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Panarin27
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 05.25.2015

Jun 16 @ 11:01 PM ET
If Eklund is right about Carolina (which I doubt), then the hawks need to start talking to Buffalo about Ristolainen. It would probably cost #27, Forsling, + something else, but it'd be worth it. Bowman should kick the tires.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 16 @ 11:02 PM ET
I have decided the guys on the hawks telecast channel on the Comcast website, are just not smart.
I listened to the Mark Kelley interview which was totally not only softball, but they didn't know how to ask the essential questions to get anything substantial from him.

Kelley had to educate them, they had no clue that there is a complete separation between the draft and the team...
it is almost bizarre how these guys thought that the pick was gonna help now, or that it was a priority.
The fact they like Evan Bouchard and the reasons for not taking pleads I clearly have ranked higher, because we have smaller defenseman, is wacky.

It was like before the interview they decided before the interview which forwards and defenders were off the hawks board because they were going to college or were small or they were not ready.

And the Dobson love...wow...all I can say is I truly hope that Dobson is a kid who can build himself into the kid of player he is getting upside to be...
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 16 @ 11:22 PM ET
If Eklund is right about Carolina (which I doubt), then the hawks need to start talking to Buffalo about Ristolainen. It would probably cost #27, Forsling, + something else, but it'd be worth it. Bowman should kick the tires.
- Panarin27

Before the draft, Buffalo might have entertained moving Ristolainen for the right price, but not after as much - they're about to draft the guy that can finally be his partner on the top pair for years to come.

On top of that, his asking price would start with #8 if there is a pick involved and would have to include Jokiharju or Mitchell (likely the former), not Forsling who plays a different side and isn't as highly rated.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 16 @ 11:52 PM ET
Lazarus -

Hawks targeting TVR and JVR in free agency.


🤔
Panarin27
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 05.25.2015

Jun 17 @ 12:05 AM ET
Lazarus -

Hawks targeting TVR and JVR in free agency.


🤔

- mrpaulish


where'd you see this?
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 17 @ 12:23 AM ET
Lazarus -

Hawks targeting TVR and JVR in free agency.


🤔

- mrpaulish


A bottom pairing D-man and another player said team couldn't stop talking about trading who will command at least 6.5 per, a potential albatross contract to go with the many other albatross contracts.

Hawks do NOT need a frigging third pairing D-man, they need a Top 4 guy, period. And if you're going to spend the coin it will take to get JVR then it only makes sense to use that money where the Hawks NEED to improve---at Center or in the Top 4 D....these rumors are crap.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 17 @ 12:37 AM ET
A bottom pairing D-man and another player said team couldn't stop talking about trading who will command at least 6.5 per, a potential albatross contract to go with the many other albatross contracts.

Hawks do NOT need a frigging third pairing D-man, they need a Top 4 guy, period. And if you're going to spend the coin it will take to get JVR then it only makes sense to use that money where the Hawks NEED to improve---at Center or in the Top 4 D....these rumors are crap.

- kwolf68


Stanley has his sights on Oduya, Darling, Shaw, Nordstrom, Ladd and Bolland
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 17 @ 12:44 AM ET
Lazarus -

Hawks targeting TVR and JVR in free agency.


🤔

- mrpaulish


As long as these deals don’t interfere with the clubs ability to re-sign Schmaltz and DeBrincat I say go for it.

I always liked TvR, I never thought he was a star but he can be a solid third pairing guy for the Hawks. Sadly he’s probably better than Oesterle, Gustafsson and Rutta. TvR is an RFA so Stan will have to offer something up for him. Maybe this is where Duclair can come into play?

JvR would add some instant punch to the top 6. Ideally the Hawks could sign him to a 3 year deal to limit the long term risk, but that’s doubtful.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Jun 17 @ 1:26 AM ET
Lazarus -

Hawks targeting TVR and JVR in free agency.


🤔

- mrpaulish


This has McD stank ALL over it.

Not a hockey move. JVR will cost too much. The TVR angle is a salesman’s ploy hoping to (1) further attract JVR’s interest by offering him to play with his brother (2) a cheap marketing ploy to present “the brothers” in advertisements and (3) it feeds Q’s woody for TVR, who he constantly overslotted on the D depth chart.

JVR at under $5MM might be worth it on its own, but they need more grit and depth at center, and a legit 20+ minute a night D guy in the top four with true top four pedigree.

I just think the dollars should be pegged for Brodziak, Maroon/Roussel, a top four D guy, and a legit backup goalie not named Carter Hutton (he would wilt behind a poor defensive team).

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 17 @ 1:46 AM ET
Lazarus -

Hawks targeting TVR and JVR in free agency.


🤔

- mrpaulish

I guess Lazarus will be pulling the compsnsation draft pick necessary to sign TvR out of his arse
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 1:54 AM ET
I am very curious whom reaches out ant takes Tzachuk a tad earlier. Arizona, after that trade maybe their GM who likes all the stat's will boldly throw a monkey wrench into the draft proceedings. Would Vancouver, not enthralled with Viryanen maturity or seeing enough scoring potential, try to push him off on someone and they drat Tzachuk?

Blackhawks trade for a grit or power forward type to play top six, or is Hayden with Martinsen on lower line. Roussel? Samuelson's kid at forward is depth? His other son is the behometh committed to Western Michigan.

- jhawk59


A lot of wild cards before the AZ-MTL swap. History shows the AZ GM likes skill and is not gun shy to deal and deal big. If MTL thinks Domi is a centerman what does that mean for the draft? But I've read, and it's true, most of Bergivin's moves have been for gritty types, Shaw, Weber, Domi so he may go Tkachuk at 3.

Just read one of VAN's Dmen went back to Russia and they were short at D to start.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:03 AM ET
JVR is probably looking for $7mil x 7 years and that’s gunna be yet another bad contract in 3 years.
- EnzoD


Agree 100%. Would rather lose a Dcat or Schmaltz and the 27th for ROR at 7.5 mil for 5 more yrs. He's only 27 yrs old and will fulfill that term and dollars nicely and you get a FO beast, off the charts compete and will be effective once the next core emerges.

You don't mortgage the future cuz at 27 he'll be here for 5 more yrs and checks every box as a centerman to boot.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:06 AM ET
I guess that settles it then
- Ogilthorpe2


Have to admit, this was funny........ Internets are a curious beast.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:10 AM ET
and this Jurco juxapositioning:



They gave a 3rd for the ability to control the guys contract, to see if the skilled guy was going put it together.



- wiz1901


Well said, Wiz. The only down side to the very low risk of a cost controlled Jurco hitting his ceiling is a 3rd rd pick. Solid risk reward play by StanBow.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:14 AM ET
If Eklund is right about Carolina (which I doubt), then the hawks need to start talking to Buffalo about Ristolainen. It would probably cost #27, Forsling, + something else, but it'd be worth it. Bowman should kick the tires.
- Panarin27


I'm a Risto guy warts and all, too much physical talent to ignore, but BUF is still short at D despite getting a generational talent in Dahlin. Next yr they may dangle him but who knows the 27th in a deeeeep draft with a Forsling type may get them to bite.

Or straight up for Jokihauru?
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:15 AM ET


And the Dobson love...wow...all I can say is I truly hope that Dobson is a kid who can build himself into the kid of player he is getting upside to be...

- wiz1901


Careful Wiz, he may be Hawk property in a week!!
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:19 AM ET
Before the draft, Buffalo might have entertained moving Ristolainen for the right price, but not after as much - they're about to draft the guy that can finally be his partner on the top pair for years to come.

On top of that, his asking price would start with #8 if there is a pick involved and would have to include Jokiharju or Mitchell (likely the former), not Forsling who plays a different side and isn't as highly rated.

- L_B_R


Think it would take that much, LBR? I know the fancy stat community abhors Risto and maybe the Sabres believe those fancy stats are true that Risto is a liability in too many ways and for the right deal can be had?

Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:30 AM ET


I just think the dollars should be pegged for Brodziak, Maroon/Roussel, a top four D guy, and a legit backup goalie not named Carter Hutton (he would wilt behind a poor defensive team).

- Return of the Roar


Yea man, and IMO De Haan has that Hammer type top 4 pedigree/game and at 27 yrs old you can give him a 5 millish per type deal and it won't be bad in 4-5 yrs.

Agree on Brodziak but still not a real 2C but would still strengthen the C position. A plan B if you can't land a legit 2C.

A Maroon/Roussel depth can't ever be a bad thing especially with their style of play. Roussel IMO is a bigger more skilled version of Shaw.

A kind of go after it this yr while not mortgaging the future by moving a Schmaltz or Dcat as well as not killing the possibilities in 2-3 yrs because of signing a 30 yr old to a 6-7 mil 5 yr deal.
MjulQvist
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.22.2012

Jun 17 @ 6:10 AM ET
Lazarus -

Hawks targeting TVR and JVR in free agency.


🤔

- mrpaulish


I can´t recall anyone that knew Panarin or Hjalmarsson to be traded last summer. Yes there was Zawaski who said something big is going to happen. But no names etc. I think Lazarus is just as much of bs as is Eklund with his name throwing.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jun 17 @ 7:36 AM ET
I can´t recall anyone that knew Panarin or Hjalmarsson to be traded last summer. Yes there was Zawaski who said something big is going to happen. But no names etc. I think Lazarus is just as much of bs as is Eklund with his name throwing.
- MjulQvist

I said many times both would be the ones to be moved . Only I thought they would be moved together for 1 big piece . I like Murphy , was not so excited about Saad . But believe Forsberg will be a good move if Q would just get out of the way ,same with Murphy ..Fire Q NOW !!!
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 17 @ 8:30 AM ET
To the above saw that in Lazarus twitter feed.

Laz is a mouth piece. Not a reporter
So the Blackhawks want this information out there. Why ? Who knows. 🤔🤔

The Blackhawks are so far away from being competitive. There is not one team that participated in the playoffs last season that the Blackhawks could’ve beaten in a best-of-seven as is.

They have to dump the Hossa money on some one (Probably cost that 27th pick).
They need to buy a real NHL defenseman or two!
Crawford has to come back healthy and dedicated.
Toews has to stop with that bullshiyttt electroid training and actually find a gym again.
Whatever the (frank) is in Keiths warped mind better get out and for the love of God take a (frank)ing wrist shot from the point once in a while just to get it through.
Q may be far too stubborn to handle this team any longer. The speical teams need to be fixed.
The Blackhawks have not won a playoff series since 2015. They have not improved rhe roster either.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 17 @ 9:19 AM ET
The TVR/JVR rumor is interesting. TVR checks the box for a solid #5/PK D. JVR? Well a top 6 LW. Fun to read anyway. It does have value for a PR Look at Us type story.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 17 @ 10:01 AM ET
The TVR/JVR rumor is interesting. TVR checks the box for a solid #5/PK D. JVR? Well a top 6 LW. Fun to read anyway. It does have value for a PR Look at Us type story.
- z1990z


TVR is an RFA. Carolina is not going to give him away. It would hurt to pay more for him than we got for him a year ago. JVR is going to get overpaid on a long term contract. I cannot see any of this happening for us.

The NHL buyout period started on Friday. There may be a bargain or two available for Bowman here that would make more sense. A player who is already being paid (via his buyout) by another club
-on a short term cheap contract
-motivated to prove himself and to earn another deal
-released from a pressure situation (sometimes created by his previous contract)
as was the case this year with Devante Smith-Pelly of the Washington Capitals.

A cap strapped team cannot free spend on UFA's when GM's go stupid on July 1.
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.19.2016

Jun 17 @ 10:13 AM ET
Saad Toews Schmaltz
JVR AA Kane
Cat Sikura Hino
Wingles Johnson Hayden



or

Saad Toews Cat
JVR Schmaltz Kane
Sikura AA Hino
Wingles Johnson Hayden
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 17 @ 10:29 AM ET
His other son is the behometh committed to Western Michigan.
- jhawk59



By the way, I meant to get back to you on this one



Mattias Samuelsson is not OUR coach’s son. He is the son of former NHL defender …Kjell Samuelsson. He is on is in the middle of my first round range board at 18-26…


Adam Samuelsson is OUR coach’s son. I have him going around the sixth round at #168.
But second generation kids always get the good ole boy network benefit of doubt and always seem to get selected earlier.



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