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Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wherever I leave my hat
Joined: 07.26.2006

Jun 16 @ 2:31 PM ET
I'm with those who say that not enough can be done to make a big enough impact until one of the crippling core contracts are resolved, and that is after the Hossa money is lost.

They need a trading partner like Marc Bergevin.

I'm in the get a DeHaan and Rousell type, develop a Dman or two quickly and organically (Gus/Oestrle/Forsling?), find a way to allow Schmaltz to play wing, Dcat to 1RW, find a plausible back up to Crow, pray Crow is healthy camp.

Draft smart at 8 and in 3 yrs the core is that 8th pick, Saad, Dcat, Joki, Schmaltz, Sikura(?) and another Dman or two like Krys/Mitchell/Carlsson/Gilbert.

As a fan I'm up for any plan that the organIzation gets on the same page of but don't think that time has arrived.

- Mr Ricochet


I agree we need to move at least one of the contracts, but the one I think we should move is Kane's as that is the greatest value (and yes it mean's tearing the whole thing down and start over- BUT it can be done right.)

Would Buffalo be interested in Kane for the 1st (Dahlin), Middlestadt and maybe RIstolainen(sp)? Would that be enough for Kane? Does that move the needle for Buffalo in terms of standings/playoffs? Suddenly the Hawks have 2 young, better D and a #1 or #2 dynamic, young center in Middlestadt. Keep the #8 and take best available Forward and suddenly in 2-3 years we look a lot better.

The problem with trading Kane s it signals a rebuild and all of your other assets suddenly lose value and you get pennies on the dollar. If you could coordinate the trades (and I think Keith is the only other valuable chip) and have the Kane and Keith trades happen close to one another, you could maximize value. For Keith combo of Picks(s) and younger LD. Would Edmonton be interested? Would they be willing to give up Nurse?

Dump AA for what ever you can get for him.

Unfortunately I think Seabs and Toews are unmovable, so we keep them to help provide guidance for the youngsters. I think we would be in the playoffs again on 2-3 years

Top 2 lines for 2018-2019:

Saad-Toews-Hino
Schmaltz-Middlestadt-Dcat

With Sikura, and the #8 + probably low draft pick from 2019 waiting in the wings. It also make an attractive place for FA's

And for D- Seabs-Dahlin, Ristolainen-Nurse, Murphy-?

Add Jokiharju in the D mix in 2-3 years and suddenly we have a very mobile, fast, dynamic team. Can slide Toews down to 3rd line as he slows, and seats to 3rd pair.

This would depend on the returns- a mix of high picks and young players.

Dreaming? I just do not see us being able to compete, with the lack of cap flexibility and our aging core, and would rather NOT sacrifice the future by trading young assets/picks for a "final" run.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Jun 16 @ 2:44 PM ET
Good points. They wear a full face shield, correct?
- 6628

In junior everyone wears a shield unless your under 16. The ushl use to be a pretty tough league until a rule change making a fighting major 15 min penalty and players get suspended if they have to many which killed my interest in the league. All of this changed after a kid had a seizure when he hit his head on the ice.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Jun 16 @ 2:47 PM ET
There is another solution.

Just sayin’....

- StLBravesFan

Be a turtler.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Jun 16 @ 2:53 PM ET
Generally, yes.

Except for tradition, I don’t see much reason for it. While hard hits - good checking - that comes out of the game can have some intimidation value (although these are hockey players - if they could be intimidated, they would never have made the Show) - skaters who fight would not seem likely to be intimidated into stopping whatever behavior caused the fight.

So yes - I’m for taking fighting out of the game because I don’t think it serves any purpose, either as retaliation or as intimidation.

And as for fighting in juniors - I don’t think it’s a good idea to expose 16-18 year old brains to that kind of trauma.

So - take it for what it’s worth - from someone who only played the north suburban Chicago version of pond hockey as a kid - never was in a locker room.

- StLBravesFan

A lot of players get intimidated or off there game from physical players. Look at when brasher or boogard were on the ice. Or all the times leddy oesterle and schmaltz have up on pucks when they were going to get hit. Fighting has a place and should always stay in the pros. In juniors I would say yes to. Have different levels like the ushl ohl being leagues where it would be 10 fights max and your done for the year. qjhl being 15 fights and your done and then the whl being unlimited. That's what I would do if I was in charge. The fact that the ahl has a limit is blasphemy and has made the league a lot less entertaining.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 16 @ 2:53 PM ET
I agree we need to move at least one of the contracts, but the one I think we should move is Kane's as that is the greatest value (and yes it mean's tearing the whole thing down and start over- BUT it can be done right.)

Would Buffalo be interested in Kane for the 1st (Dahlin), Middlestadt and maybe RIstolainen(sp)? Would that be enough for Kane? Does that move the needle for Buffalo in terms of standings/playoffs? Suddenly the Hawks have 2 young, better D and a #1 or #2 dynamic, young center in Middlestadt. Keep the #8 and take best available Forward and suddenly in 2-3 years we look a lot better.

The problem with trading Kane s it signals a rebuild and all of your other assets suddenly lose value and you get pennies on the dollar. If you could coordinate the trades (and I think Keith is the only other valuable chip) and have the Kane and Keith trades happen close to one another, you could maximize value. For Keith combo of Picks(s) and younger LD. Would Edmonton be interested? Would they be willing to give up Nurse?

Dump AA for what ever you can get for him.

Unfortunately I think Seabs and Toews are unmovable, so we keep them to help provide guidance for the youngsters. I think we would be in the playoffs again on 2-3 years

Top 2 lines for 2018-2019:

Saad-Toews-Hino
Schmaltz-Middlestadt-Dcat

With Sikura, and the #8 + probably low draft pick from 2019 waiting in the wings. It also make an attractive place for FA's

And for D- Seabs-Dahlin, Ristolainen-Nurse, Murphy-?

Add Jokiharju in the D mix in 2-3 years and suddenly we have a very mobile, fast, dynamic team. Can slide Toews down to 3rd line as he slows, and seats to 3rd pair.

This would depend on the returns- a mix of high picks and young players.

Dreaming? I just do not see us being able to compete, with the lack of cap flexibility and our aging core, and would rather NOT sacrifice the future by trading young assets/picks for a "final" run.

- Revco38

Buffalo is still mid-rebuilding so they're not going to move 3 highly rated prospects/players even for a player of Kane's caliber. They wouldn't do it for Crosby - not unless they thought they were closer with their current group than they are. McDavid, yes, anyone 30 or older no matter how good they are is just silly. If it were a team that thought Kane was the final piece, maybe, but Buffalo just isn't the team to do that kind of thing.

Also, Kane likely would not waive to go to Buffalo, not after the summer of 2015. He doesn't even go back there for the summer outside of maybe a week here or there anymore ffs. People need to just move on from that.
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Jun 16 @ 3:30 PM ET
Yes to Duclair and no to Jurco. Please don't resign Jurco.
- onehundredlevel

Duclair blows. Jack Skille 2.0. Cut bait.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Jun 16 @ 3:41 PM ET
Use the cap space to get some depth at center, at least one winger with some nasty, and another decent D man, then draft best available with the picks.

Give 19/20 another winger who can win board battles, give 8/88 a face off winning two way center with some grit, have ADB and Hino play with AA (unless you can upgrade there too), and try Hayden, Martinsen and Kampf as your fourth line.

Play 2/7 as a pair again, pair Murphy with a decent acquisition that lets them both play their natural sides, settle on a shut down 5/6 pairing, and abandon pinchapalooza.

If CC ready to go or not, must sign Khoudobin or Ward.

Give Edjsell and all of the new guys a year in Rockford to bake before you call them up.

This can all be done within the cap constraints by focusing on the UFA market, eliminating the need to count on Stan to make value for value deals with other teams.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 07.27.2009

Jun 16 @ 3:43 PM ET
Duclair blows. Jack Skille 2.0. Cut bait.
- Ogilthorpe2


Ditto. Or at least see if they can get a pick for him for his rights.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 16 @ 3:45 PM ET
I agree we need to move at least one of the contracts, but the one I think we should move is Kane's as that is the greatest value (and yes it mean's tearing the whole thing down and start over- BUT it can be done right.)

Would Buffalo be interested in Kane for the 1st (Dahlin), Middlestadt and maybe RIstolainen(sp)? Would that be enough for Kane? Does that move the needle for Buffalo in terms of standings/playoffs? Suddenly the Hawks have 2 young, better D and a #1 or #2 dynamic, young center in Middlestadt. Keep the #8 and take best available Forward and suddenly in 2-3 years we look a lot better.

The problem with trading Kane s it signals a rebuild and all of your other assets suddenly lose value and you get pennies on the dollar. If you could coordinate the trades (and I think Keith is the only other valuable chip) and have the Kane and Keith trades happen close to one another, you could maximize value. For Keith combo of Picks(s) and younger LD. Would Edmonton be interested? Would they be willing to give up Nurse?

Dump AA for what ever you can get for him.

Unfortunately I think Seabs and Toews are unmovable, so we keep them to help provide guidance for the youngsters. I think we would be in the playoffs again on 2-3 years

Top 2 lines for 2018-2019:

Saad-Toews-Hino
Schmaltz-Middlestadt-Dcat

With Sikura, and the #8 + probably low draft pick from 2019 waiting in the wings. It also make an attractive place for FA's

And for D- Seabs-Dahlin, Ristolainen-Nurse, Murphy-?

Add Jokiharju in the D mix in 2-3 years and suddenly we have a very mobile, fast, dynamic team. Can slide Toews down to 3rd line as he slows, and seats to 3rd pair.

This would depend on the returns- a mix of high picks and young players.

Dreaming? I just do not see us being able to compete, with the lack of cap flexibility and our aging core, and would rather NOT sacrifice the future by trading young assets/picks for a "final" run.

- Revco38


Kane is not getting traded. As that is the case it makes no sense to talk about it.
mrpaulish
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Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 16 @ 3:49 PM ET



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Tomas Jurco is expected to re-sign with the Chicago Blackhawks. (Via @ByScottPowers)
Z3Hawk
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Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 16 @ 3:50 PM ET
The first thing Q needs to do is come up with a new plan on how the D defend and limit the pinch. The WTF pinching and umpteen odd man breaks killed the Hawks. That whole system needs to be re-done.
- z1990z


Agree totally. The “D System” was a total joke - it actually was not a D system at all as this “system” promoted an insane amount of odd-man breaks against.
z1990z
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Jun 16 @ 4:00 PM ET



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Tomas Jurco is expected to re-sign with the Chicago Blackhawks. (Via @ByScottPowers)

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Why not??
EnzoD
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Jun 16 @ 4:01 PM ET



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Tomas Jurco is expected to re-sign with the Chicago Blackhawks. (Via @ByScottPowers)

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4 years at $4mil with a full no trade clause?
TommyHawk
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Jun 16 @ 4:17 PM ET
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If you missed my interview, I’m told it’s a “priority” for the Blackhawks to move Marian Hossa’s contract this summer.
z1990z
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Jun 16 @ 4:25 PM ET
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If you missed my interview, I’m told it’s a “priority” for the Blackhawks to move Marian Hossa’s contract this summer.

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Another story up on Bleacher Report that the Hawks may be hard after JVR..
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 16 @ 4:27 PM ET
Another story up on Bleacher Report that the Hawks may be hard after JVR..
- z1990z

vandymeer23
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Joined: 10.11.2014

Jun 16 @ 4:28 PM ET



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Tomas Jurco is expected to re-sign with the Chicago Blackhawks. (Via @ByScottPowers)

- mrpaulish

For the love of God no!!!!!!
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 16 @ 4:31 PM ET
For the love of God no!!!!!!
- vandymeer23

It doesn't hurt to sign him - it doesn't mean he'll play unless he's good enough. It's just not letting an asset walk for nothing. If Jurco can't hack it, he'll go the way of Morin or McNeill or any number of guys.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
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Jun 16 @ 4:33 PM ET
Duclair blows. Jack Skille 2.0. Cut bait.
- Ogilthorpe2

Agree at least Skille would occasionally block a shot or throw a hit he is more like this guy https://www.eliteprospect...yer/2689/tony-salmelainen
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Jun 16 @ 4:35 PM ET
It doesn't hurt to sign him - it doesn't mean he'll play unless he's good enough. It's just not letting an asset walk for nothing. If Jurco can't hack it, he'll go the way of Morin or McNeill or any number of guys.
- L_B_R

I just think he is a waste of a contract. I wouldn't mind him in Rockford but I don't like him taking up a contract.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
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Jun 16 @ 4:39 PM ET

- L_B_R



So for giggles if the Hawks were to sign JVR..

JVR Toews The Cat

Saad Schmaltz Kaner

That will do for top 6.
tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 16 @ 4:45 PM ET
Oh, did not know that. If I did would have never clicked on the podcast to start with. Why a Laz would think he provides any kind of entertainment I have no idea. Information sure, entertainment no. ....... I only saw Tracy do those horrid cookie cutter "updates" from her perch at the UC and she looked stiff but in the context of a podcast she is a fun, glass half full lady with a nice personality.
- Mr Ricochet

XMNHL channel has had her on before. She did well.
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
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Jun 16 @ 4:54 PM ET
Sign JVR and make a trade with the Canes that nets us Faulk and TVR
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 16 @ 5:00 PM ET
So for giggles if the Hawks were to sign JVR..

JVR Toews The Cat

Saad Schmaltz Kaner

That will do for top 6.

- z1990z

Could totally be, though I worry with a line of two more pure shooters on it. JVR-Schmaltz-Kane could be an offensive 2nd line, as well. Would make the need for a checking line even bigger but still. I also really like the idea of Sikura-Debrincat being linemates, if only because it seems like a perfect balance of playmaker with scorer. Lots of potential options.

I know JVR isn't the "mean" guy that some on this board want, but he's been one of the most productive guys at scoring in-close over the last few seasons, which is something the Hawks have lacked a lot. He can play top to 3rd line (as that vet like Hossa his final season) and on the PP, which is useful. And he's the second best UFA forward this summer imo.

I'm not going to hold my breath for him, though - I think he'll want more than the Hawks can offer.
Scott1977
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Jun 16 @ 5:10 PM ET
Two things:

What team or teams would be the best fit for hossa's contract and remember what ever team does trade for his contract if it even happens that's dead money going against their cap.

Why are we assuming that dcat will be in the top 6 this last if I recall right and might be wrong he spent mostly playing on the 3rd and 4th lines. Did he produced yes but why wasn't he a mainstay in the top six? I could understand in the beginning of the season and through the first half but after that is a question. I don't if there is any stats on this just curious how many of his goals were against top 2 or 3 dmen and top 6 forwards. To me I would explore trading him for top 2 or 3 defense man. Not saying hawks should trade him but just put feelers out their just to see.

Dehann hickey moore for d to look at
Fippula Bozak Brodizak for center to look at

Jvr Roussel for lw to look at


Wingels Soshnikov for rw to look at


Khudobin hutton dansk for goalie to look at




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