Never checked out his NTC status,
I was told by a fairly reliable person, that Anisimov was approached by StanBo and asked or was told about a possible move that didn’t happen. . . Maybe a respect thing? But I honestly am not making that up
- wiz1901

Oh, I wasn't trying to imply you were making anything up, just that specifically a list wouldn't have been needed. They would def have to approach him about any trades because of the full NMC but that would be a one situation kind of thing. Maybe they asked him about whether he would waive if it was with a specific team, just to check.

There is another solution.

Just sayin’....
- StLBravesFan

Sage, are you for taking fighting out of the game?

He is very loud on that podcast...and can come off as pompous. He literally hates that fans propose trades and comes off as "above that and all knowing". He sites Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger as guys who, if they say they heard a rumor, then take it as legit. My issue with that is that Lazerus never suggests trades or goes out on a limb. He just likes to criticize the fans for their trades thoughts. He lacks backbone.
- onehundredlevel

I never listened to Laz that I know of but did to Tracy once awhile back and was surprised at how much personality she has. I became a fan in a way after listening to her in that environment... This podcast that was linked I had to shut off after 10 minutes with Laz doing his Bernhiem schtick that you're all idiots and I'm here to tell you that. ..... Thru Laz's writing never thought he had any kind of solid hockey mind just the normal cookie cutter fare and he proves that when he just speaks to other hockey people. He's certainly no Scott Powers.

What these people miss is a fan is job security for them, even a truly goofy fan.

Sage, are you for taking fighting out of the game?
- Mr Ricochet

Generally, yes.

Except for tradition, I don’t see much reason for it. While hard hits - good checking - that comes out of the game can have some intimidation value (although these are hockey players - if they could be intimidated, they would never have made the Show) - skaters who fight would not seem likely to be intimidated into stopping whatever behavior caused the fight.

So yes - I’m for taking fighting out of the game because I don’t think it serves any purpose, either as retaliation or as intimidation.

And as for fighting in juniors - I don’t think it’s a good idea to expose 16-18 year old brains to that kind of trauma.

So - take it for what it’s worth - from someone who only played the north suburban Chicago version of pond hockey as a kid - never was in a locker room.

Good points. They wear a full face shield, correct?
- 6628

Yes in some form. Don't hold me to this but it goes something like a 16 yr old full face shield, 17 yr old 3/4 shield, 18 yr old 1/2, 19 yr old 1/4. Something like that.

There are some nasty all out fights at this level but they are trying to legislate it out to a degree. Even with their heads protected at least they get the idea of how to defend themselves and how to fight so when they hit pro they have an idea.

10 yrs ago when Jon Cooper (Tampa Bay) was in the USHL would send a 20 yr old out to pummel a 16/17 yr old then hide that 20 yr old the rest of the game. Bastards like him initiated rules changes. If you fight x amount of times in x amount of time you get suspended, same in Major Junior I believe.

After hearing John Chaka Khan say he is playing Galchenyuk as his centre solution (while the progressing Strome changes opinion on him being a bust), so maybe this gets me to further drop the Finn Jesperi, who I tagged TO Arizona (if Habs feel that Zadina is simply too
much of a close to ready scoring option to make the commitment over the draft board).
Although my optimism still wanes with Detroit there as a possibly selection of Jesperi if there hometown jewel Hughes gets scooped prior.

I can be a bit of hawk fanboy draft pessimist and am afraid to admit the lengths I have worked reworked the draft board (even attempted possible trade scenarios trying to get the run on the defense position that I personally feel might not happen), trying to drop the Finn, the US sniper or the Brady into the hawks...
- wiz1901

This was my very very first thought when I came home late last night and heard about the AZ-MTL trade, how does this affect where Kotkaniemi's slots? Ran a few scenarios with no resolution other than it seems both AZ and MTL just got a center a week before the draft. That mean neither takes the Finn?

Generally, yes.

Except for tradition, I don’t see much reason for it. While hard hits - good checking - that comes out of the game can have some intimidation value (although these are hockey players - if they could be intimidated, they would never have made the Show) - skaters who fight would not seem likely to be intimidated into stopping whatever behavior caused the fight.

So yes - I’m for taking fighting out of the game because I don’t think it serves any purpose, either as retaliation or as intimidation.

And as for fighting in juniors - I don’t think it’s a good idea to expose 16-18 year old brains to that kind of trauma.

So - take it for what it’s worth - from someone who only played the north suburban Chicago version of pond hockey as a kid - never was in a locker room.
- StLBravesFan

Related article with more Bettman owner denial in the face of scientific evidence:

https://theathletic.com/3...ee-deep-in-the-big-muddy/

Reminds me so much of the tobacco execs in the 80s-90s.

I never listened to Laz that I know of but did to Tracy once awhile back and was surprised at how much personality she has. I became a fan in a way after listening to her in that environment... This podcast that was linked I had to shut off after 10 minutes with Laz doing his Bernhiem schtick that you're all idiots and I'm here to tell you that. ..... Thru Laz's writing never thought he had any kind of solid hockey mind just the normal cookie cutter fare and he proves that when he just speaks to other hockey people. He's certainly no Scott Powers.

What these people miss is a fan is job security for them, even a truly goofy fan.
- Mr Ricochet

He’s definitely full of himself, doesn't even like the Blackhawks. Always liked Tracey more. It was supposed to be silly so it was indeed.

Generally, yes.

Except for tradition, I don’t see much reason for it. While hard hits - good checking - that comes out of the game can have some intimidation value (although these are hockey players - if they could be intimidated, they would never have made the Show) - skaters who fight would not seem likely to be intimidated into stopping whatever behavior caused the fight.

So yes - I’m for taking fighting out of the game because I don’t think it serves any purpose, either as retaliation or as intimidation.

And as for fighting in juniors - I don’t think it’s a good idea to expose 16-18 year old brains to that kind of trauma.

So - take it for what it’s worth - from someone who only played the north suburban Chicago version of pond hockey as a kid - never was in a locker room.
- StLBravesFan

Don't sell yourself short. Especially in this day and age of the fancy stats, a huge advance in the game IMO, the argument you didn't play pro so you don't know holds less and less water.

I've never been a fight fan, ever, and simply HATE seeing 17-18 yr olds fight. It's scary especially when the ages range from 16-20. But I understand the need for it, real or perceived. When a man is moving at 25+ MPH in a confined space with a weapon in his hand he can do huge damage, he can cripple. My saying is I'd rather a broken nose than a halo in a hospital bed.

I think if fighting is ever taken out the players are at each others mercy as well as the mercy of the refs and league, which I'm not fond of. I will give jrs credit in that any semblance of a hit from behind is whistled and almost the same for head contact, most times no matter the score or time left and this is accepted by fans and coaches too. ....... Will the NHL do the same if fighting is taken out? Game 5 in the playoffs, one team on the PK up 1, they commit a borderline head shot, are whistled and forced to play 5 on 3?

Then one can reasonably argue that if borderline head shots are zero tolerance and called as Majors with a suspension you have effectively taken contact out of the game as players are shy to hit, even clean, and it looks like football where you don't know what the hell is legal or not.

He’s definitely full of himself, doesn't even like the Blackhawks. Always liked Tracey more. It was supposed to be silly so it was indeed.
- walleyeb1

Oh, did not know that. If I did would have never clicked on the podcast to start with. Why a Laz would think he provides any kind of entertainment I have no idea. Information sure, entertainment no. ....... I only saw Tracy do those horrid cookie cutter "updates" from her perch at the UC and she looked stiff but in the context of a podcast she is a fun, glass half full lady with a nice personality.

I am gonna state this in terms of ability (unrelated to CAP vs ability) one time: all this idea that Keith & Seabrook were the defensive detriment in last years season that caused a further tumble of the group is simply poppycock in my opinion; they were still the best two on the club, the others equaling them all around or reaching their game in game out abilities...this idea that a significant slippage in ability (production I will give you) has plunged in their games - in a nhl world w/o a CAP both would be guys teams would teams would BE CALLING for...certainly the Cap lessens their trade value but not their nhl abilities. It infuriates me when I keep reading the contrary in posts that advocate lists of lesser lights with lower abilities and eyeball track records.
- wiz1901

But what about corsi stats, or points per 60 min in games prior to 7pm start times in Pacific time zones when there is a snow storm coming?

According to those factors, it's clear as day Seabrook and Keith came play

Oh, did not know that. If I did would have never clicked on the podcast to start with. Why a Laz would think he provides any kind of entertainment I have no idea. Information sure, entertainment no. ....... I only saw Tracy do those horrid cookie cutter "updates" from her perch at the UC and she looked stiff but in the context of a podcast she is a fun, glass half full lady with a nice personality.
- Mr Ricochet

Yeah I don’t know how many games I was at where I saw her doing those. (sat right under Harv at many games). Watched many on TV too.

Here’s the original tweet.

Now that @Tramyers_NHL is back from her playoff travels, we'll be recording a Silly Season episode of On The Beat on Thursday. Give us your best trade proposals, ridiculous or otherwise. Use #TraAndLaz.

So whats the consensus here..

When Free Agency starts do the Hawks use big money on a forward or D as their first big signing? I know ROR has been tossed around here a bit. He checks a ton of boxes. Would cost a lot no doubt to obtain him. If he is even available.

Related article with more Bettman owner denial in the face of scientific evidence:

https://theathletic.com/3...ee-deep-in-the-big-muddy/

Reminds me so much of the tobacco execs in the 80s-90s.
- pdx2ord

Thanks for this link. ....... Sure does remind one of the tobacco industry starting in the 50's when science was easily showing that smoking caused so many irreversible illnesses leading to death.

Plausible deniability and affording CORPORATE (not doz "Trial Lawyers" who represent the slob who punches a time clock we are "sold" are the scourge of mankind) lawyers in the face of overwhelming evidence can, does, has and always will allow the tobacco/NHL/NFL style defense to save millions or billions for their defendants.

God bless Ken Dryden, he knows that but will never ever stop thinking that people will do the right thing cuz it's the right thing to do. The world doesn't work that way.

Ecklund has hit a new low. Anyone check out the Hawk rumor? Eck says Carolina and Hawks have made quite a few trades and the Canes feel like they were taken advantage of.

Pure concocted malarkey. By my count Bowman has made four trades with Carolina.

-Traded Nordstrom and Versteeg for who the hell knows what anymore
-A nothing trade involving someone I can't remember
-The Bickell salary dump. I think the Hawks got a pick or two coming back, but they gave away TT
-Darling for a third

WHERE in that list would it suggest Carolina got "taken advantage of" ?

Ecklund has hit a new low. Anyone check out the Hawk rumor? Eck says Carolina and Hawks have made quite a few trades and the Canes feel like they were taken advantage of.

Pure concocted malarkey. By my count Bowman has made four trades with Carolina.

-Traded Nordstrom and Versteeg for who the hell knows what anymore
-A nothing trade involving someone I can't remember
-The Bickell salary dump. I think the Hawks got a pick or two coming back, but they gave away TT
-Darling for a third

WHERE in that list would it suggest Carolina got "taken advantage of" ?
- kwolf68

Getting rather tabloid'ish.

Getting rather tabloid'ish.
- z1990z

Yep, can't wait till the rumor than Patrick Kane had a baby with a 3 headed space alien.

In NO world did Carolina say that. Hell, the hawks got taken it could be argued, yet even the Hawks wouldn't come out and say that crap.

More than being a BS site, the rumor monger is too lazy to even back up his mendacities with facts. He doesn't even study up to even give the "appearance" of factual accuracy. Now I know why people joke on that Ecklund guy so much.

So whats the consensus here..

When Free Agency starts do the Hawks use big money on a forward or D as their first big signing? I know ROR has been tossed around here a bit. He checks a ton of boxes. Would cost a lot no doubt to obtain him. If he is even available.
- z1990z

I'm with those who say that not enough can be done to make a big enough impact until one of the crippling core contracts are resolved, and that is after the Hossa money is lost.

They need a trading partner like Marc Bergevin.

I'm in the get a DeHaan and Rousell type, develop a Dman or two quickly and organically (Gus/Oestrle/Forsling?), find a way to allow Schmaltz to play wing, Dcat to 1RW, find a plausible back up to Crow, pray Crow is healthy camp.

Draft smart at 8 and in 3 yrs the core is that 8th pick, Saad, Dcat, Joki, Schmaltz, Sikura(?) and another Dman or two like Krys/Mitchell/Carlsson/Gilbert.

As a fan I'm up for any plan that the organIzation gets on the same page of but don't think that time has arrived.

I'm with those who say that not enough can be done to make a big enough impact until one of the crippling core contracts are resolved, and that is after the Hossa money is lost.

They need a trading partner like Marc Bergevin.

I'm in the get a DeHaan and Rousell type, develop a Dman or two quickly and organically (Gus/Oestrle/Forsling?), find a way to allow Schmaltz to play wing, Dcat to 1RW, find a plausible back up to Crow, pray Crow is healthy camp.

Draft smart at 8 and in 3 yrs the core is that 8th pick, Saad, Dcat, Joki, Schmaltz, Sikura(?) and another Dman or two like Krys/Mitchell/Carlsson/Gilbert.

As a fan I'm up for any plan that the organIzation gets on the same page of but don't think that time has arrived.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm in the draft the best available forward at 8 mind set. If 27 can moved to bring back a starting caliber D? That's fine too. I think we need help at forward, especially at C come free agency. My FA wish list in order is C or a C/W type, back up net minder help and then D.

I am gonna state this in terms of ability (unrelated to CAP vs ability) one time: all this idea that Keith & Seabrook were the defensive detriment in last years season that caused a further tumble of the group is simply poppycock in my opinion; they were still the best two on the club, the others equaling them all around or reaching their game in game out abilities...this idea that a significant slippage in ability (production I will give you) has plunged in their games - in a nhl world w/o a CAP both would be guys teams would teams would BE CALLING for...certainly the Cap lessens their trade value but not their nhl abilities. It infuriates me when I keep reading the contrary in posts that advocate lists of lesser lights with lower abilities and eyeball track records.
- wiz1901

For years now Seabrook has been asked to babysit on the ice whatever young D-Man flavour of the day the Hawks have denoted as a temporarily top 4. Last year Keith was asked to do the same with disasterous results for a player who has been a Rover his whole career. To be a Rover Keith needs a veteran D-Man partner to cover for him. Last year the Hawks were ridiculous on Defence. Keith and Seabrook got unfairly criticized as both spent the year trying to cover both sides of the ice for D-Man partners constantly and wildly out of position. Critics said both had slowed dramatically as they scrambled to save odd-man breaks where their D-Man partners were caught up-ice. Even if in the D-Zone their D-Man partners didn’t have a clue what to do.

Later in the year Keith and Seabrook were played together and calmness was seen in both of them. Play them together and the Hawks have one solid veteran pair. No rather play Oesterle, who was considered unworthy of the NHL by the Oilers, who always seem to be looking for D-Men, with Keith. Not only that play Oesterle backwards as a left shot on the right side. I’m not making this stuff up. One thing I know for certain is making both Keith and Seabrook ineffectual does nothing to help the Hawks’ fortunes.

For years now Seabrook has been asked to babysit on the ice whatever young D-Man flavour of the day the Hawks have denoted as a temporarily top 4. Last year Keith was asked to do the same with disasterous results for a player who has been a Rover his whole career. To be a Rover Keith needs a veteran D-Man partner to cover for him. Last year the Hawks were ridiculous on Defence. Keith and Seabrook got unfairly criticized as both spent the year trying to cover both sides of the ice for D-Man partners constantly and wildly out of position. Critics said both had slowed dramatically as they scrambled to save odd-man breaks where their D-Man partners were caught up-ice. Even if in the D-Zone their D-Man partners didn’t have a clue what to do.

Later in the year Keith and Seabrook were played together and calmness was seen in both of them. Play them together and the Hawks have one solid veteran pair. No rather play Oesterle, who was considered unworthy of the NHL by the Oilers, who always seem to be looking for D-Men, with Keith. Not only that play Oesterle backwards as a left shot on the right side. I’m not making this stuff up. One thing I know for certain is making both Keith and Seabrook ineffectual does nothing to help the Hawks’ fortunes.
- Z3Hawk

The first thing Q needs to do is come up with a new plan on how the D defend and limit the pinch. The WTF pinching and umpteen odd man breaks killed the Hawks. That whole system needs to be re-done.

I'm in the draft the best available forward at 8 mind set. If 27 can moved to bring back a starting caliber D? That's fine too. I think we need help at forward, especially at C come free agency. My FA wish list in order is C or a C/W type, back up net minder help and then D.
- z1990z

Indeed, I forgot to mention a Brodziak when answering your last post. Such an important position to the structure, reliability and certainty to a whole roster. Much can be said for a defense too. It eliminates the clown show aspect that a team shows when they are weak down the middle and at D. Things fall apart at the seams when weak in those areas and no realistic gains can be made systems wise. Same for goaltending as we saw last yr, looking back, and even in real time, the position was a clown show.

At the very least a legit strong 3C, with AA still at 2C, top 4 Dman and solidifying the #2 netminder slot will go a loooong way to making the upcoming season one in which reasonable improvement can be expected. And who knows what can happen from there with Kaner still playing world class hockey. .........

I'm still not hearing any writers locally or nationally mention if they get a legit #2 for Crow what becomes of Forsberg? He'd have to clear waivers (would he be claimed?) and would StanBow be ok with exposing him? He won a cup in the AHL and is still just 25. By most measures that's way too early to give up on a goalie if you thought he had a legit shot as a starter, or even #2, at some point.

Yep, can't wait till the rumor than Patrick Kane had a baby with a 3 headed space alien.

In NO world did Carolina say that. Hell, the hawks got taken it could be argued, yet even the Hawks wouldn't come out and say that crap.

More than being a BS site, the rumor monger is too lazy to even back up his mendacities with facts. He doesn't even study up to even give the "appearance" of factual accuracy. Now I know why people joke on that Ecklund guy so much.
- kwolf68

Wolf he has no credibility ZERO.... like I posted he must have written for the National Enquirer

I'm in the draft the best available forward at 8 mind set.
- z1990z

And to further piggyback off your post z, thought the following from an Athletic article summed up the draft in easy to understand terms. I agree, after the first two picks anything can, and probably will, happen.

But this draft is fascinating because, after the top two, there’s a lot of uncertainty and there’s not a ton of separation among the prospects.

“The general consensus is they’re pretty clustered together,” said one amateur scout.

It’s also considered a deep draft. So teams without picks later might be inclined to move down in order to accumulate picks later on in the draft and acquire another player (my addition, is this the Hawks?). Teams without a first-round pick are eager to get back in. It sets up a fascinating draft weekend June 22-23 in Dallas.

“This is a weird draft,” said one Western Conference executive. “After the first couple of picks, people are all over the map.”

And to further piggyback off your post z, thought the following from an Athletic article summed up the draft in easy to understand terms. I agree, after the first two picks anything can, and probably will, happen.

But this draft is fascinating because, after the top two, there’s a lot of uncertainty and there’s not a ton of separation among the prospects.

“The general consensus is they’re pretty clustered together,” said one amateur scout.

It’s also considered a deep draft. So teams without picks later might be inclined to move down in order to accumulate picks later on in the draft and acquire another player (my addition, is this the Hawks?). Teams without a first-round pick are eager to get back in. It sets up a fascinating draft weekend June 22-23 in Dallas.

“This is a weird draft,” said one Western Conference executive. “After the first couple of picks, people are all over the map.”
- Mr Ricochet

Every draft pick is a coin flip. Highly rated guys flop. Some undrafted FA becomes a stud. Maybe they roll back a few spots, draft Veleno and pick up another pick. We will find out very soon.