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carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Jun 13 @ 4:11 PM ET
The fact is that it is counterproductive in most cases to make any big moves right now. We have years and years of Bo, Brock, Elias, Thatcher to come. One or two years with Baertschi Granlund and Stecher won't destroy anyones career. We are on the right path, now is the time to be patient.
- NorthNuck

Amen Brother. Build until your farm team is loaded, bring them up, then add as needed. Then Canuckle mania will run wild.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 13 @ 4:12 PM ET
"Lately"? Has he had a year without a significant (10+ games) injury?
- MaximumBone

I'll have you know none of his injuries this year were super significant. It was the fact that he got like 5 or 6 of them that was the problem
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 13 @ 4:14 PM ET
I'll have you know none of his injuries this year were super significant. It was the fact that he got like 5 or 6 of them that was the problem
- NorthNuck

I'm not sure that makes it any better
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:15 PM ET
The fact is that it is counterproductive in most cases to make any big moves right now. We have years and years of Bo, Brock, Elias, Thatcher to come. One or two years with Baertschi Granlund and Stecher won't destroy anyones career. We are on the right path, now is the time to be patient.

The time for big moves is when our new core begins to enter it's prime. Obtaining big name players right now won't win us a cup and it will cost us resources that could be funneled towards getting more draft picks/young players

- NorthNuck



Is Jake and OJ part of the core because that is two very high draft picks that I am not sure where they are heading?

In four years of drafting you mentioned 3 players that Benning has drafted as part of the core . So in 8 more years we should have 6 more players to be considered core?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:15 PM ET
I'll have you know none of his injuries this year were super significant. It was the fact that he got like 5 or 6 of them that was the problem
- NorthNuck

the injuries are a legit concern. I remember reading a stat that showed he takes more hits than most of the dmen in the NHL + he usually is up there in shot blocks per game but has toned that down the last 2 years.

The issue is that he's not afraid to get hit and take an extra second longer to make the right play. So that's part of what makes him effective at moving the puck out of the zone but it's also a an issue since he takes a lot of hits.

A blessing and a curse.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 13 @ 4:16 PM ET
I'm not sure that makes it any better
- MaximumBone

I agree it probably makes it worst.
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Jun 13 @ 4:18 PM ET
Ristolianen would be part of the rebuild . Same was Taylor Hall is part of NJs rebuild .


I personally am not thrilled by the D like Dobson Bouchard. Sorry . I feel very comfortable taking Miller McIssac at 37 and getting something close to the same value. That is my opinion.

If Wahlstom and Kohk is not there at 7 then I am OK at looking at other options

- VANTEL


Im a big fan of Dobson, although I'm taking Wahlstrom every time if hes available. The cost of Ristolainen is counter productive and youd have to give up assets to get him. Im also not a fan of acquiring Hanifin. Slow and steady wins the race.

Add a forward in the first round then add 5 dmen after that!
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:19 PM ET
Im a big fan of Dobson, although I'm taking Wahlstrom every time if hes available. The cost of Ristolainen is counter productive and youd have to give up assets to get him. Im also not a fan of acquiring Hanifin. Slow and steady wins the race.

Add a forward in the first round then add 5 dmen after that!

- chompsey



Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:19 PM ET
Im a big fan of Dobson, although I'm taking Wahlstrom every time if hes available. The cost of Ristolainen is counter productive and youd have to give up assets to get him. Im also not a fan of acquiring Hanifin. Slow and steady wins the race.

Add a forward in the first round then add 5 dmen after that!

- chompsey


post your top 7 for this draft.
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Jun 13 @ 4:21 PM ET
Im a big fan of Dobson, although I'm taking Wahlstrom every time if hes available. The cost of Ristolainen is counter productive and youd have to give up assets to get him. Im also not a fan of acquiring Hanifin. Slow and steady wins the race.

Add a forward in the first round then add 5 dmen after that!

- chompsey

Yep, more lottery tickets please!
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Jun 13 @ 4:25 PM ET
post your top 7 for this draft.
- Nucker101



I did a few threads ago....

EDIT: for poops and giggles:

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Dobson
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:26 PM ET
I did a few threads ago....
- chompsey

oh


ill ask manfan to post it then
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:27 PM ET
oh


ill ask manfan to post it then

- Nucker101

Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:27 PM ET
I did a few threads ago....

EDIT: for poops and giggles:

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Dobson
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom

- chompsey


interesting. But I like it.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 13 @ 4:29 PM ET
Is Jake and OJ part of the core because that is two very high draft picks that I am not sure where they are heading?

In four years of drafting you mentioned 3 players that Benning has drafted as part of the core . So in 8 more years we should have 6 more players to be considered core?

- VANTEL

There may be others but it is too soon to say. OJ, JV, Lind, Gaudette, Gadjovich could all be parts of a future core. The point of building slow is not to pay high prices for players that will eventually block the way of these guys developing when they are in their 30s and have NMCs.

Just because these guys are 19 and 20 or may have to spend a couple years in the AHL doesn't mean our team is empty and we need to rush out for expensive high end players
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:38 PM ET
I actually mentioned 4, and there may be others but it is too soon to say. OJ, JV, Lind, Gaudette, Gadjovich could all be parts of a future core. The point of building slow is not to pay high prices for players that will eventually block the way of these guys developing when they are in their 30s and have NMCs.

Just because these guys are 19 and 20 or may have to spend a couple years in the AHL doesn't mean our team is empty and we need to rush out for expensive high end players

- NorthNuck



Bo, Brock, Elias, Thatcher to come

I counted 3 seeing Bo was drafted by Gillis but you can probably add Gaudette.

As for guys like Lind Gadjovich Lockwood , I am sure one will pan out but I doubt if we see a bunch of them.
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jun 13 @ 4:51 PM ET
Is Jake and OJ part of the core because that is two very high draft picks that I am not sure where they are heading?

In four years of drafting you mentioned 3 players that Benning has drafted as part of the core . So in 8 more years we should have 6 more players to be considered core?

- VANTEL

(not a canuck pick, but) luongo - 1997
sedins - 1999
bieska - 2001
kesler - 2003
edler - 2004

7 years to get a core to build around that could get to a cup final 7 years after the last guy was drafted. this is going to take time
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 13 @ 4:51 PM ET
Bo, Brock, Elias, Thatcher to come

I counted 3 seeing Bo was drafted by Gillis but you can probably add Gaudette.

As for guys like Lind Gadjovich Lockwood , I am sure one will pan out but I doubt if we see a bunch of them.

- VANTEL

Yeah I caught that a bit late.

OJ will be an NHLer and JV already is one
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 13 @ 4:53 PM ET
What does that have to do with Competing? It has to do with giving young guys decent players to play with.


Does OJ have a better chance of putting up better numbers with Stecher or Ristolienen
Does Pettersson have a better chance of scoring with Chaput Sutter Dowd or Ryan O Reilly?
Does Gaudette get more assists with Gaunce Leipsic or James Neal

You just can't send out an AHL roster year after year and say be patient. Are we really that much closer to a cup since Benning took over? Having the worst record in the NHL over the last 4 years tells me no.

- VANTEL

The problem is, in general, the cost can outweigh the benefit.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:54 PM ET
(not a canuck pick, but) luongo - 1997
sedins - 1999
bieska - 2001
kesler - 2003
edler - 2004

7 years to get a core to build around that could get to a cup final 7 years after the last guy was drafted. this is going to take time

- johnnykarate


7 years to get the core and 7 years later to the cup so 14 years total
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:55 PM ET
Yeah I caught that a bit late.

OJ will be an NHLer and JV already is one

- NorthNuck


Gaunce is a NHLer too but the key word is Core.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:57 PM ET
The problem is, in general, the cost can outweigh the benefit.
- LeftCoaster





Risto IMO is a top 2 Dman

Dobson IMO is not and I doubt the number 26 pick is a top two Dman either

That is my opinion only
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 13 @ 5:02 PM ET
Gaunce is a NHLer too but the key word is Core.
- VANTEL

I think OJ will be a top 4 Dman that's good enough to be core.

JV will at the least be a solid 3rd liner with upside for us for a good number of years. Maybe not core but still a solid piece
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 5:06 PM ET
Ristolianen would be part of the rebuild . Same was Taylor Hall is part of NJs rebuild .


I personally am not thrilled by the D like Dobson Bouchard. Sorry . I feel very comfortable taking Miller McIssac at 37 and getting something close to the same value. That is my opinion.

If Wahlstom and Kohk is not there at 7 then I am OK at looking at other options

- VANTEL


Boqvist?
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Jun 13 @ 5:10 PM ET
7 years to get the core and 7 years later to the cup so 14 years total

- VANTEL


starting at bo, we should be looking to draft well for year or two, which is where i think most have siad that this team would start to pull up from the nosedive. the bad thing about last time they buuilt, it was one player per year... the returns on these past drafts look more promising
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