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6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jun 13 @ 10:50 AM ET
The guy who welcomed the name Car Bomb says he played in the NHL for the memories? As Car Bomb he says if he was given all the info would have quit the NHL but says it hurts his ego to have his head tested?........ Has any NHL player younger than 25-30 quit the NHL over concerns about concussions?

"Car Bomb" and every NHL player loves the sport but loves the money as much or more, same with the owners. The most easy and simple 1st step fix to this problem is to widen the rink to 100 ft like the international surface or play 4 men aside allowing more surface to evade hits. Neither will happen cuz widening the surface takes out 3-4 rows on each side and playing with 4 aside means smaller rosters.

So it is the MONEY that stops the owners AND players from the 1st step of a concussion fix.

- Mr Ricochet




Been saying this for a long time, and from experience. It's as simple as follow the money. Period.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 10:51 AM ET
lol!


all Ottawa wingers must look alike to me!


You think they ae keeping BOTH players embroiled in that dispute?

Stone would have to be number one exit if Karlsson isn't packaged...
to Chicago.... (ha)

- wiz1901



I think Ottawa is going to blow up everything and start again fresh. Karlsson will likely move on and want a fresh start. Without him the team doesn't have much right now so they might as well go into full rebuild. I'm not suggesting the Hawks will land any Sens cast-offs, but these guys will land somewhere.

Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 13 @ 10:51 AM ET
They need everything.

I'll say it again, as I do once a week. Why does this board want all the players from Carolina when they aren't even a playoff team

- vabeachbear


Why did they get Vermette, Oduya, Handzus, etc? They never won anything until they got to the Hawks.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:55 AM ET
I think it's more about the scenario in Carolina, they seem to want to strip down their team with the exception of a couple guys. Plus they have a few decent guys that would help for 1-2 years but wouldn't interfere with re-signing Schmaltz and DeBrincat.

Ottawa fits the bill too, especially in light of recent event. I've read that the Sens want to tear down everything and start again. Maybe they would be good trading partners, I think they'd be a logical home for Hossa.

To Ottawa:

- Anisimov
- #27 overall in 2018
- Hossa
- Forsling
- Duclair


To Chicago:
- Stone (re-sign for 6 years @ $6 - $7 million AAV)
- Pyatt

Now...back to drinking


- DarthKane[img]

Carolina doesn't want to strip all their players except a few - Friedman and McKenzie have already rebuked the idea that Carolina is having a fire sale of any kind. What they are doing is trying to determine trade value for all the player, minus a few, to see what their best options are. Friedman mentioned this in his latest 31 Thoughts, that Dundon is new so he's just trying to figure out value for better asset management and to see if any teams will provide an offer they cannot refuse.

If there is a trade to Ottawa, I would hope for Pageau over Pyatt. Pyatt didn't even play as a center, he was a RW for Pageau. For that reason, they had similar deployment/usage but Pyatt sunk and Pageau was much better away from him. If Anisimov is moved, a center should be gotten somewhere else since they don't have many established guys and def none that seem like they can handle shifting up if needed.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 13 @ 11:00 AM ET
Question for the panel, how does Jokiharu's ELC work if as an example he is brought up for a few games to get a taste before going down or to EU, and gets hurt where he can't play for a few months. Does his contract still slide?
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:04 AM ET
Why did they get Vermette, Oduya, Handzus, etc? They never won anything until they got to the Hawks.
- Chunk



If we are keeping score, neither did Quenville
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:05 AM ET


If there is a trade to Ottawa, I would hope for Pageau over Pyatt. Pyatt didn't even play as a center, he was a RW for Pageau. For that reason, they had similar deployment/usage but Pyatt sunk and Pageau was much better away from him. If Anisimov is moved, a center should be gotten somewhere else since they don't have many established guys and def none that seem like they can handle shifting up if needed.

- L_B_R


Pageau is a 3C? Zach Smith an option anymore?
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 13 @ 11:11 AM ET
Powers:

Blackhawks have told at least one team they’d trade their #8 in the “right situation”! No explanation on what the “right situation” might be.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 11:20 AM ET
Pageau is a 3C? Zach Smith an option anymore?
- Mr Ricochet

Pageau is extremely good 3C with the capability to be a 2C when needed (at least shown so far). He primarily has been used like Bolland in the past - against top comp no matter the zone but often taking more DZS, strong transition and passing numbers, great on the PK (led the league in SHGs a couple of years ago). Ottawa did have him playing 2C some this year cause their center depth is poop. He could definitely be a 2C, we just saw two centers breakout this season when given the chance in Karlsson and Couturier who are almost the same age and used similarly used in the past. I just belive an addition like him would take the load off Toews.

Zach Smith is decent but he is 5 years older, has a higher cap hit, signed for longer, and isn't quite as good in a similar role. I wouldn't want him ever playing 2C in an emergency situation but Pageau can and has done that. If Ottawa ate some of the salary, sure.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 13 @ 11:22 AM ET
Powers:

Blackhawks have told at least one team they’d trade their #8 in the “right situation”! No explanation on what the “right situation” might be.

- walleyeb1

Would anyone trade the 8th overall pick trouba and lowery then sign trouba 7 years at 6 to 7 million per year and lowery 3 years at 3 to 3.5 million a year thoughts too much money and term or close to what they would get
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 11:25 AM ET
Would anyone trade the 8th overall pick trouba and lowery then sign trouba 7 years at 6 to 7 million per year and lowery 3 years at 3 to 3.5 million a year thoughts too much money and term or close to what they would get
- Scott1977



Yes, in a heartbeat.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 13 @ 11:26 AM ET
Chris DiDomencio has signed a 2-year deal with the SCL Tigers in Switzerland
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 13 @ 11:27 AM ET
Would anyone trade the 8th overall pick trouba and lowery then sign trouba 7 years at 6 to 7 million per year and lowery 3 years at 3 to 3.5 million a year thoughts too much money and term or close to what they would get
- Scott1977


If you were Winnipeg, would you - a team close to winning the cup - trade 2 rather important pieces to a divisional rival/team...for a #8 pick?
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:31 AM ET
If you were Winnipeg, would you - a team close to winning the cup - trade 2 rather important pieces to a divisional rival/team...for a #8 pick?
- PatShart



Only if they can't afford them or sign them for some reason.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 13 @ 11:32 AM ET
If you were Winnipeg, would you - a team close to winning the cup - trade 2 rather important pieces to a divisional rival/team...for a #8 pick?
- PatShart

Cap problems going foward can wiinipeg afford them going foward thats the question Winnipeg gm has to deal with. Winnipeg probably doesn't do that trade since like you close to winning a possible cup.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jun 13 @ 11:33 AM ET
Chris DiDomencio has signed a 2-year deal with the SCL Tigers in Switzerland
- walleyeb1


Looks like he's heading there to finish out his career.

He was extremely valuable for the IceHogs during their run and I had heard they were looking at potentially bringing him back.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 13 @ 11:33 AM ET
If they're going to trade the #8 pick...it'll be to someone in a building situation/ways away from winning that has a vets to trade

So...in my opinion, teams interested in it would be -
OTT
MTL
CAR
Maybe CAL (one of their Dmen)
NYI - if they lose Tavares
NYR
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 13 @ 11:33 AM ET
Chris DiDomencio has signed a 2-year deal with the SCL Tigers in Switzerland
- walleyeb1


Not surprising after how his season ended in Rockford. Unfortunate ending as he seemed to be an important piece for Rockford but a player can’t simply lose it no matter how much a loss hurts or how much you are taunted by fans.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 11:34 AM ET
If you were Winnipeg, would you - a team close to winning the cup - trade 2 rather important pieces to a divisional rival/team...for a #8 pick?
- PatShart



Probably not, but they are a team that needs to watch their cash flow. Plus, if relations between the Jets and Trouba are strained a deal may be the best option. I would agree that #8 alone isn't enough, the Jets would want more (and rightfully so). I would guess they'd want a young D prospect, so maybe Forsling or Mitchell. I'd thrown in a mid-level forward prospect too.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 13 @ 11:38 AM ET
Probably not, but they are a team that needs to watch their cash flow. Plus, if relations between the Jets and Trouba are strained a deal may be the best option. I would agree that #8 alone isn't enough, the Jets would want more (and rightfully so). I would guess they'd want a young D prospect, so maybe Forsling or Mitchell. I'd thrown in a mid-level forward prospect too.
- DarthKane


Probably the #8, Schmaltz or Debrincat, and then a D prospect in Forsling or Mitchell for Trouba
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 11:41 AM ET
Probably the #8, Schmaltz or Debrincat, and then a D prospect in Forsling or Mitchell for Trouba
- PatShart



Then I would pass in a heartbeat.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 13 @ 11:41 AM ET
Faulk hasn't ever more than a plus one ONE NHL SEASON.... he is MINUS 84 the last five seasons in Carolina.
Someone tell that was all someone else's fault. My point is if you are looking for help for the PP it better come from an all-around defender, and one who is cost effective if he craps the bed.(Murphy for Hammer cough)
Granted, Faulk is the captain there, and that counts for a significant part of the attractiveness, but you think a change of scenery changes everything?

think Oilers are not interested if the trade 'just involves taking Scott Darling/

that gives me a possible solution to their pulling their "#1" and having a big wall to sub with..


Aside; It is cooler in here in Texas at night and the morning but I much prefer humid to 12 plus degrees of hot...

- wiz1901


wiz - Faulk No! Agree with you totally. Have read other comments that Faulk would drive Q absolutely bananas with his give-aways and poor defensive play.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 13 @ 11:43 AM ET
Probably not, but they are a team that needs to watch their cash flow. Plus, if relations between the Jets and Trouba are strained a deal may be the best option. I would agree that #8 alone isn't enough, the Jets would want more (and rightfully so). I would guess they'd want a young D prospect, so maybe Forsling or Mitchell. I'd thrown in a mid-level forward prospect too.
- DarthKane


As posted earlier watching how the Jets manage their upcoming cap situation the next 2 yrs while being a viable cup threat will be interesting. Hellybuyck, Wheeler, Laine, Trouba, Morrisey, Connor, Lowry will all need to be paid in the next 2 yrs. They will shed Mason and Stastny money though. ........ Still gonna have to lose someone.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 13 @ 11:44 AM ET
Then I would pass in a heartbeat.
- DarthKane


Same...but that seems more like an equal trade, IMO and I dont think Trouba is available

I think Winnepeg would move Myers before Trouba..or a forward (perrault/little/ehlers) to free up money to keep Trouba at 24 and a RHD
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 13 @ 11:45 AM ET
I read that story on TSN about Hoffman's fiance. WTH is that all about? Bizarre
- z1990z


After the story broke others have stepped forward to confirm that Hoffman’s fiance is totally full goose bozo.
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