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kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:09 PM ET
I'm a BIG Saad fan, but I have no issue moving him for the right deal.
- DarthKane


I would not trade Saad in a deal for Faulk, unless something was added from Carolina's side. Hanifan instead of Faulk would get me interested.

I always worry when teams are so interested in getting rid of their players...JVR in Toronto, Faulk in Carolina. WHY?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:09 PM ET
Skinner is a terrible fit on this team. If we go for ANY forwards, it should be center and someone who will play inside circles. Skinner is pretty soft. Faulk I do like, but he's really more a #4 and I don't see him as a top pairing guy, but if the ask is fair then he'd help this team.
- kwolf68



Rask!
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:11 PM ET
Rask!
- DarthKane


Damn right. 4 million dollar 25 yo center. All over that poop. Does Carolina need wingers? Not sure their depth down the middle.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:16 PM ET
Damn right. 4 million dollar 25 yo center. All over that poop. Does Carolina need wingers? Not sure their depth down the middle.
- kwolf68



Given them AA and Duclair....I'm feeling generous so I'll throw in a 3rd rounder if they throw in a 4th.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:17 PM ET
Skinner is a terrible fit on this team. If we go for ANY forwards, it should be center and someone who will play inside circles. Skinner is pretty soft. Faulk I do like, but he's really more a #4 and I don't see him as a top pairing guy, but if the ask is fair then he'd help this team.
- kwolf68


Faulk helps this team, but that isn't move that greatly improves their chances of winning a championship.

I know 2/7/19/50 have to play up to their previous standards before any UFA or acquired talent can be counted on, but adding Faulk doesn't do much for me.

I 100% agree on Skinner.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:19 PM ET
Given them AA and Duclair....I'm feeling generous so I'll throw in a 3rd rounder if they throw in a 4th.
- DarthKane


Doubt they'd bite. AA is exceedingly average and the bloom is off the DuClair rose and I was beyond NOT impressed with him in Chicago. Very good skater, not much else. If Bowman could get Vik for those two guys they'd erect a statue to him in front of the UC and I would be there for the ribbon cutting ceremony.

Although that being said, I DO THINK this is a good "buy low" time for rask. The guy has never scored 50 points in a year and is coming off a 31 point affair. If Carolina thinks they will use him to cherry pick a boat load they got another thing coming. I think a deal could be struck for Rask, but it would likely cost someone a bit better than DuClair to package in with Anisimov,
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:21 PM ET
Faulk helps this team, but that isn't move that greatly improves their chances of winning a championship.

I know 2/7/19/50 have to play up to their previous standards before any UFA or acquired talent can be counted on, but adding Faulk doesn't do much for me.

I 100% agree on Skinner.

- SteveRain


Yea, no argument. Faulk helps this team, but only negligibly. I'd bring him in, but I am not moving ANYONE like ADB, Schmaltz for him. He's also adding 5 million to the Cap.
scott.jackson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Jun 12 @ 12:22 PM ET
The max contract either can sign in Chicago is 7 years, 8 year deals are only available when a player re-signs with his existing team.

I don't see either Tavares or Carlson will come to Chicago. A deal with Carolina makes more sense, guys like Skinner and Faulk will help immediately but won't have a long-term impact on the team's cap situation.

- DarthKane



Great post Darth. I agree with going the Carolina route.
blackhawk24
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 06.06.2009

Jun 12 @ 12:25 PM ET
Well said on all counts. Personally I stopped blaming McD, StanBow and Q last yr. This is all on Rocky now and the symptoms at the very least started with the trades for Daley, Weisse and Flieshmann. Whether or not one agrees with these moves the coach was immediately repulsed by these players, basically refused to use them and the assets given up were lost but most importantly it showed a total disconnect between GM and coach that the prez (shovel face) didn't identify and it's festered to the detriment of the organIzation ever since.

Rocky has allowed a money man to oversee the hockey people and now it's gonna hit himself in the pocket, as it rightly should.

- Mr Ricochet

If that is the case, and one can only hope it is not, Rocky has to do what Ricketts did: 100% separate biz from sports ops. Notice how Kenney is nowhere near Theo, Jed and Jason. Prior to that, he was all around the game itself. Now, he concentrates on concerts, rooftops, renovations, etc. Theo and Co have complete autonomy. No biz guys interference.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 12 @ 12:31 PM ET
I wonder if there is a loophole the NHL is worried about ie Hossa.
How can they force an injured player to not retire? Couldn't that be a lawsuit, if somehow Hossa does not get better? Retiring due to a career-ending injury is different than just a player retiring because he does not want to play for very little money.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:35 PM ET
I wonder if there is a loophole the NHL is worried about ie Hossa.
How can they force an injured player to not retire? Couldn't that be a lawsuit, if somehow Hossa does not get better? Retiring due to a career-ending injury is different than just a player retiring because he does not want to play for very little money.

- powerenforcer



The NHL put themselves in this position by allowing Hossa's (and others) contracts then changing their minds under the latest CBA negotiations. The precedent has been set with guys like Pronger, Savard and Bolland.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:36 PM ET
I wonder if there is a loophole the NHL is worried about ie Hossa.
How can they force an injured player to not retire? Couldn't that be a lawsuit, if somehow Hossa does not get better? Retiring due to a career-ending injury is different than just a player retiring because he does not want to play for very little money.

- powerenforcer



I think what the NHL is pissed off about is that Hossa signs this huge contract, starts to decline a bit, comes down with a mysterious rash epidemic, Hawks claim it's year to year, and then Hossa proclaims he's done for good.....so the small market teams want the cap recapture against them, and the Hawks want to send him packing and his cap hit to a cap floor team....alla Dave Bolland, or Chris Pronger, etc

SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:37 PM ET
The NHL put themselves in this position by allowing Hossa's (and others) contracts then changing their minds under the latest CBA negotiations. The precedent has been set with guys like Pronger, Savard and Bolland.
- DarthKane



And it's smaller market clubs who want and have pushed for this penalty. However, how do you crack one team when you have allowed others to get it away with the same exact scenario for years?

Again, the only advantage the hawks have is while the cap hit is 5.275 the actual salary a team has to pay Hossa is just 1 million. So a team trying to get to the cap floor with a VERY small internal budget, the Hossa contract is advantageous for them.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:39 PM ET
And it's smaller market clubs who want and have pushed for this penalty. However, how do you crack one team when you have allowed others to get it away with the same exact scenario for years?

Again, the only advantage the hawks have is while the cap hit is 5.275 the actual salary a team has to pay Hossa is just 1 million. So a team trying to get to the cap floor with a VERY small internal budget, the Hossa contract is advantageous for them.

- SteveRain


WHO is well below the CAP floor?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:42 PM ET
Because I'm bored at work today:

To Carolina:

Saad ($6 million)
Anisimov ($4.55 million)
Hossa ($5.275 million)
Forsberg ($0.75 million)
27th overall in 2017
Rights to Ian Mitchell

To Chicago
Darling (50% retained $2.01 million)
Faulk ($4.833 million)
Skinner ($5.725 million)
Rask ($4 million)
3rd round pick in 2020

SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:42 PM ET
WHO is well below the CAP floor?
- kwolf68


Assuming cap floor is 58-60 million....a few

Most likely trade partners/ Arizona or Carolina.

Colorado is interesting is they have 21 contracts signed and only a cap hit of 52 million....but I don't see them sniffing Hossa.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 12 @ 12:42 PM ET
WHO is well below the CAP floor?
- kwolf68


Vegas
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:44 PM ET
Because I'm bored at work today:

To Carolina:

Saad ($6 million)
Anisimov ($4.55 million)
Hossa ($5.275 million)
Forsberg ($0.75 million)
27th overall in 2017
Rights to Ian Mitchell

To Chicago
Darling (50% retained $2.01 million)
Faulk ($4.833 million)
Skinner ($5.725 million)
Rask ($4 million)
3rd round pick in 2020

- DarthKane


I get it....but I don't see the Hawks improving all that much

Saad/Skinner a wash
Rask > AA
Faulk is a fringe top 4 D man
Darling is better insurance then Forsberg
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:45 PM ET
Because I'm bored at work today:

To Carolina:

Saad ($6 million)
Anisimov ($4.55 million)
Hossa ($5.275 million)
Forsberg ($0.75 million)
27th overall in 2017
Rights to Ian Mitchell

To Chicago
Darling (50% retained $2.01 million)
Faulk ($4.833 million)
Skinner ($5.725 million)
Rask ($4 million)
3rd round pick in 2020

- DarthKane


LMAO. Someone take Darth's keys away from him.

Wait here while I load this into a logarithm.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:45 PM ET
And it's smaller market clubs who want and have pushed for this penalty. However, how do you crack one team when you have allowed others to get it away with the same exact scenario for years?

Again, the only advantage the hawks have is while the cap hit is 5.275 the actual salary a team has to pay Hossa is just 1 million. So a team trying to get to the cap floor with a VERY small internal budget, the Hossa contract is advantageous for them.

- SteveRain



My only concern would be that it's for 3 more years. I think if it was one or two, his contract is a lot more attractive. It would more difficult to find a team who wants it for 3 years.

The NHL is the model of inconsistency when it comes to rules enforcement.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:47 PM ET
LMAO. Someone take Darth's keys away from him.

Wait here while I load this into a logarithm.

- kwolf68



I don't think there's a policy against drinking at work! Wait a minute...let me check on that.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Jun 12 @ 12:49 PM ET
Because I'm bored at work today:

To Carolina:

Saad ($6 million)
Anisimov ($4.55 million)
Hossa ($5.275 million)
Forsberg ($0.75 million)
27th overall in 2017
Rights to Ian Mitchell

To Chicago
Darling (50% retained $2.01 million)
Faulk ($4.833 million)
Skinner ($5.725 million)
Rask ($4 million)
3rd round pick in 2020

- DarthKane


Darth, it's 2018.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 12 @ 12:51 PM ET
Fellas - why does anyone want to see the Hawks move one big contract, only to bring in another?

Say 'no' to 7/8 year deals at 8-10 M per.

Say 'yes' to a deal along the Carolina route where you can potentially get some guys who will make an impact and not eat up all the cap.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 12 @ 12:54 PM ET
Because I'm bored at work today:

To Carolina:

Saad ($6 million)
Anisimov ($4.55 million)
Hossa ($5.275 million)
Forsberg ($0.75 million)
27th overall in 2017
Rights to Ian Mitchell

To Chicago
Darling (50% retained $2.01 million)
Faulk ($4.833 million)
Skinner ($5.725 million)
Rask ($4 million)
3rd round pick in 2020

- DarthKane


If you’re on Twitter you ought to post this at:

#TraAndLaz

They’re doing a mailbag on fan trades suggestions.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jun 12 @ 12:56 PM ET
Darth, it's 2018.

- Lido_Shuffle


That's what makes Darth's trade proposal brilliant. He moves a pick that doesn't even exist.
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