18.Trade that might only make sense to me: Scott Darling for Marian Hossa, with the Hurricanes keeping money on the goalie.
Blackhawks clear cap room and gain security if Corey Crawford is unavailable. Carolina can go elsewhere in net and save actual dollars.
I have been told that the league isn’t thrilled with the idea of Hossa being used as a trade chip, but the Blackhawks need the room. - walleyeb1
Darling (with salary retained) for Hossa? Sign me up! The Hawks need to get some use out of Hossa’s Cap hit and this would give them a quality backup plus another $2-$2.5 million in cap space (depending on the amount retained). Plus the Hawks get to keep the 27th overall pick.
I would like the hawks to keep duclair but he can be part of a trade that could bring back top 4 d man then go ahead. - Scott1977
I doubt that Duclair has much trade value at this point. I wouldn’t be against a one-year “show me” deal but I wouldn’t expect much. Assuming it wouldn’t interfere with the team’s contract limit and he could be buried 100% in Rockford I’m ok with Jurco being re-signed too.
He said league isnt happy at the thought of Hoss as a trade chip. League was good with the deal when it was signed. They changed their mind and put Chicago in this position. If the original deal was accepted was honored, #81 would just retire. Pronger was allowed to do it. Not sure why its an issue now
He said league isnt happy at the thought of Hoss as a trade chip. League was good with the deal when it was signed. They changed their mind and put Chicago in this position. If the original deal was accepted was honored, #81 would just retire. Pronger was allowed to do it. Not sure why its an issue now - ikeane
Can't you see what I have been saying all these years?
you just answered the question, Bettman is out to screw the Chicago Franchise as long as a Wirtz owns it.
#oilers are going hard after Justin Faulk
#sabres have received one significant offer for the first overall pick (hearing it was from Chicago)
#flames are shopping Hamilton again.
Darling (with salary retained) for Hossa? Sign me up! The Hawks need to get some use out of Hossa’s Cap hit and this would give them a quality backup plus another $2-$2.5 million in cap space (depending on the amount retained). Plus the Hawks get to keep the 27th overall pick. - DarthKane
#oilers are going hard after Justin Faulk
#sabres have received one significant offer for the first overall pick (hearing it was from Chicago)
#flames are shopping Hamilton again. - walleyeb1
Unless it’s Kane going to Buffalo I don’t see that happening. I still think Saad for Hamilton would be a good deal.
This is not even the big one but....
#oilers are going hard after Justin Faulk
#sabres have received one significant offer for the first overall pick (hearing it was from Chicago)
#flames are shopping Hamilton again. - walleyeb1
I call bull feathers on all but Faulk....
Just stopped back because I finished my rankings and all players in the first five rounds have evaluations, and it is time to deal with fantasy hockey hawk board style.
Yes...the hawks are angry at Toews and would send him packing to the jets for Jacob Trouba.
But, if I am going out and looking for a defenseman, Faulk...you have him for under 5 mil for TWO years and then he is a giant bump too. (He makes more than Anisimov already)
And I am not new to player evaluating, and Faulk hasn't ever more than a plus one ONE NHL SEASON.... he is MINUS 84 the last five seasons in Carolina.
Someone tell that was all someone else's fault. My point is if you are looking for help for the PP it better come from an all-around defender, and one who is cost effective if he craps the bed.(Murphy for Hammer cough)
Granted, Faulk is the captain there, and that counts for a significant part of the attractiveness. And on the other hand, Jonathan Toews' name is being bandied about as a possible tradable asset.
Former Hawk minor league 'tender Carter Hutton is probably at the top of their shopping list, because there is still fog surrounding Crows absence.
(Yet Forsberg might actually be given a second go-around, because if a huge move is made they need every bit of money to pay the "move.")
If they use any young system assets as chips, it might be to lose the Hossa contract.
The idea of sending that second first rounder (27th overall) for someone to eat Hossa's contract, you are nuts. Mark Kelley's draft list will have a REALLY underrated guy their and they cannot let the chance of getting him to slip through their fingers.
Packaging BOTH picks to get one ready cost effective pro star defender sounds logical but no team is giving you one. AND packaging BOTH picks to get one ready cost effective pro forward might sound sound but can ONE forward turn the sails on the good ship Blackhawk?
If they could get a defender for Toews that maybe solves the 4th dee spot, but the centre position would have to a John Tavares signing to boost the attack.
And my entire point is we all can speculate like last off seasons, and then we got rocked by trades we just never thought COULD happen, just that there was some necessity /urgency to the personal re-set.
I don't doubt both Seabrook and Keith would be in Las Vegas with Hossa's contract if they could open purse strings, fix the three holes you just made on your defense, and found the pair of centres you need that are missing too.
That was fun...more logical than most of the gets I read through here today.
And instead of debating the ups and downs of the possible prospect-defenders that may possibly be left when the hawks pick (because there may be more than one of those guys the scouts are pegging as "first pair" defenseman), think more about what a big Jesper Kotkaniemi looked like at centre in the World junior Under 18s....his ascend fills a need at centre and four teams ahead of the Hawks AND the hawks need a big centre.
All we know that they are serious- that there will be different shake-ups but I think they already have ideas well beyond they fantasies we are flirting with here...
And before someone starts ripping into me about the Winnipeg Jets future salaries affecting a giant Toews cap hit: Unless the Jets don’t draft in the next four drafts, they are going to have a problem…not being able to use the draft AS a tool to be Cap compliant…there is so much talent and just so much money, right?
I NEVER thought they would NOT beat Vegas, but they had so many of their youngsters faces on milk cartons it was embarrassing so Toews is simply a great fit, and they are the talent he needs to resurrent his totals too.
They want to make a run next year, and WILL be a huge factor for the next half dozen but no guarantees, right?
They probably want to lose Bryan Little deal so he comes with Trouba.
To keep Wheeler, Laine, Kyle Connor. (No bridge deals for those two), and Tyler Myers, right?
Do you have a video of good things he does? lol I feel like the desire to add a top 6 center does not leave the Hawks an opportunity to grab the #1 rated C in Kotkamiemi (spellcheck?). You don’t like to see the lazy tendencies but he has potential to be a minute munching Top 4 D with size and the Hawks have nobody in that mold in the system. One of Bouchard, Wahlstrom or Kotkamiemi I HOPE (edit) will be available at 8 and I’d be fine with any of those 3
And before someone starts ripping into me about the Winnipeg Jets future salaries affecting a giant Toews cap hit: Unless the Jets don’t draft in the next four drafts, they are going to have a problem…not being able to use the draft AS a tool to be Cap compliant…there is so much talent and just so much money, right?
I NEVER thought they would NOT beat Vegas, but they had so many of their youngsters faces on milk cartons it was embarrassing so Toews is simply a great fit, and they are the talent he needs to resurrent his totals too.
They want to make a run next year, and WILL be a huge factor for the next half dozen but no guarantees, right?
They probably want to lose Bryan Little deal so he comes with Trouba.
To keep Wheeler, Laine, Kyle Connor. (No bridge deals for those two), and Tyler Myers, right? - wiz1901
The past 3 years of eye test and statistics for a $10.5 million per year cap hit.... Stanley would be smart to look at his options with 19. I don’t think he has the OK from Rocky and McD to do it. Would be crazy to send him to Winnipeg in the division.....
[quote=mrpaulish]Y’all ever start to wonder if Hossa covered up a lot for Toews ?
No I do not wonder. I know Hossa was a huge reason for that line and Toews' and Saads success offensively and defensively. A first line generally has a 1LW and 1RW playing with a 1C.
However another way of looking at it is how good could the first line and Toews be again if Toews played with a true 1LW and a true 1RW for a full season. He has been given the bum's shuffle for wingers the last two years.
Like Keith and Seabrook, Toews performance is highly effected by who he is playing with. I would like to see a Saad, Toews, James Neal line for 82 games and see how they fare.
I do not think they will trade Toews. But if they do and he is paired with two first line wingers all the Toews haters on this sight will be silenced (or they will blame Bowman for trading him or blame Q for the way he was used or they will blame Toews for the way he trained or his lack of desire when he was a Hawk).
The past 3 years of eye test and statistics for a $10.5 million per year cap hit.... Stanley would be smart to look at his options with 19. I don’t think he has the OK from Rocky and McD to do it. Would be crazy to send him to Winnipeg in the division..... - EnzoD
I don’t expect 19, 88 or 2 to be dealt this summer. That being said, after the results of the past 2 seasons I’d expect Stan to look at all his options, from blowing up the team to taking another run.
Hockey buzz fan mock draft had Bouchard available at 8.... i like that 😁 - EnzoD
You know in February, I still wasn't sold that he could go from a junior defender to a solid NHLer, because he didn't seem' head smart"- he didn't react quickly enough for my liking at that level, but after the long march he made in the Memorial Cup, he sold a lot of people...
His junior career has been really been managed with very strong input and decisions by advisors, and I wouldn't be surprised if he off the board earlier than expected and earlier than the hawks selection...that doesn't mean I will continue to flat line his chances...
I think the draft is now already on slot three and Montreal may drop back...after I was convinced early one if they won the lottery jump, that they were Brady all the way.
I think that Vegas nights have caused each and every team to re-think what is most important and that is the need for slick breakouts and breakout passes...so even though Zadina is an early lock, maybe Brady has dropped, the dee class has been elevated (including ty Smith) and Jesperi Kotkaniemi is the only true big centre worth investing in.
This is not how my draft board on my site reads, it is just that you can't count on any of us knowing what the teams really have in their minds.
My 7 round mock with profiles on all but a handful of profiles is up and I am locked in...go read it.
Next to the avatar.
I don’t expect 19, 88 or 2 to be dealt this summer. That being said, after the results of the past 2 seasons I’d expect Stan to look at all his options, from blowing up the team to taking another run. - DarthKane
I am not lying when I tell you they are disappointed in Toews on more than three different levels right now.
Sure it is maybe a thought later but what will change later is trouble will be inked or traded before the next season.
They have already said that the nature of the league let's you re-tool and come back...they were talking specifically about the Penguins...it worked, but now...does it still work there. No.
It's tough to see Duncan Keith out of the pairings because you hare basically handing those young left handed defenseman the baton, and looking for that elusive 4th defender with right pp gun too.
If you we are gonna fanatize re-boot add OEL UFA signing with hawks as his replacement.
