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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 2 @ 10:19 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: The NHL combine, where teams go to be misled The NHL combine, where teams go to be misled
martox
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stockholm - "Nights when we don't have our A-game, we better have our A-commitment & A-effort."
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 2 @ 11:53 AM ET
first!
btw Was this the highest scoring season since 05-06?
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jun 2 @ 11:59 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: The NHL combine, where teams go to be misled
The NHL combine, where teams go to be misled

- Ryan_Wilson


Most teams don't pay too much attention to the physical results. They look for competitiveness. And most will tell you the interviews are the real reason they go.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 12:37 PM ET
carryover from last blog...

I don't know if LA would agree to it or pull it off cap wise... but Kempe/Forbort would be a nice return.

I still think MIN is probably the most logical destination for both parties.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 1:07 PM ET
If Kessel was traded and we had the cap space, do you guys think JR would sign James Neal?

On one hand you already know he has chemistry with Geno, will definitely help replace lost scoring, and seems to have matured a bit....on the other hand he may get overpaid and maybe Pens mgmt are sick of his shtick
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jun 2 @ 2:08 PM ET
If Kessel was traded and we had the cap space, do you guys think JR would sign James Neal?

On one hand you already know he has chemistry with Geno, will definitely help replace lost scoring, and seems to have matured a bit....on the other hand he may get overpaid and maybe Pens mgmt are sick of his shtick

- YouMeAndDupuis9

Not interested in his attitude, he's a good player but he's been moving from team to team for a reason, they don't want him long term. It may be the same case as Phil, they feel these players have a shelf life for a given team.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 2 @ 2:48 PM ET
@youmeandDupuis

I gave the Kempe/Fitbit idea and think it is plausible but I'd rather go for Brodin/Coyle since you mentioned Minnesota.

Anaheim is the other destination I'd look for. Rackell/Mason or Montour for Kessel/Hunwick/Sheary
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 2 @ 2:50 PM ET
If Kessel was traded and we had the cap space, do you guys think JR would sign James Neal?

On one hand you already know he has chemistry with Geno, will definitely help replace lost scoring, and seems to have matured a bit....on the other hand he may get overpaid and maybe Pens mgmt are sick of his shtick

- YouMeAndDupuis9

Oh yeah Neal matured his game lot. Safe to say he's better defensively than before. I'd bring him for the same price ($5M).
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 3:27 PM ET
Oh yeah Neal matured his game lot. Safe to say he's better defensively than before. I'd bring him for the same price ($5M).
- Barnaby36


Who would you bring in to score in the second half of the season?
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 3:28 PM ET
Some dude I don't know on Twitter reporting that..

"Nashville has a trade offer on the table for Kessel. Latest discussion was Kessel and Hunwick for Ellis and Turris. Don’t shoot the messenger. Pittsburgh is believed to have started the conversation."
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 3:37 PM ET
Some dude I don't know on Twitter reporting that..

"Nashville has a trade offer on the table for Kessel. Latest discussion was Kessel and Hunwick for Ellis and Turris. Don’t shoot the messenger. Pittsburgh is believed to have started the conversation."

- YouMeAndDupuis9


Why would the Pens bring in Turris? This isn't against you. Just curious about what logic might be behind this rumor.

Turris just signed an extension and is a center. The only thing I can think of is the Pens would either be moving Brassard to wing or moving him in general.

Also, who is the "dude?" A sports writer?

***insert your big lebowski gif here***
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 2 @ 3:44 PM ET
If Kessel was traded and we had the cap space, do you guys think JR would sign James Neal?

On one hand you already know he has chemistry with Geno, will definitely help replace lost scoring, and seems to have matured a bit....on the other hand he may get overpaid and maybe Pens mgmt are sick of his shtick

- YouMeAndDupuis9

This would be a great troll job on the media.

GMJR: You guys want to fan the flames on moving Kessel? Fine! In his place I'll bring back the guy you all hate!
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 3:49 PM ET
@youmeandDupuis

I gave the Kempe/Fitbit idea and think it is plausible but I'd rather go for Brodin/Coyle since you mentioned Minnesota.

Anaheim is the other destination I'd look for. Rackell/Mason or Montour for Kessel/Hunwick/Sheary

- Barnaby36


Phil has such a varied opinion on value. I think these deals are fair...most posters probably think otherwise. But I'd do either of those deals.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 4:16 PM ET
Why would the Pens bring in Turris? This isn't against you. Just curious about what logic might be behind this rumor.

Turris just signed an extension and is a center. The only thing I can think of is the Pens would either be moving Brassard to wing or moving him in general.

Also, who is the "dude?" A sports writer?

***insert your big lebowski gif here***

- Rinosaur


No it makes no sense at all. I posted on here before looking into who he guy was. Basically just another Ecklund so nothing to see here.

Ryan Ellis is a player I'd think Nashville would never trade. The only possible reason is his amazing contract is over after next season and will be due prob in the $6M range in his next contract.

Turris makes no sense at all. Even with moving Brassard to wing...a $6M 3rd line center?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 4:22 PM ET
No it makes no sense at all. I posted on here before looking into who he guy was. Basically just another Ecklund so nothing to see here.

Ryan Ellis is a player I'd think Nashville would never trade. The only possible reason is his amazing contract is over after next season and will be due prob in the $6M range in his next contract.

Turris makes no sense at all. Even with moving Brassard to wing...a $6M 3rd line center?

- YouMeAndDupuis9


$6M 3rd line center... I'm ok with that if the Pens can do it without creating any holes. I think people place too much emphasis on the cost of a player sometimes vs. the position they play. If they're effective and make the Pens better, then why not?

If the Pens can have solid depth and still spend $6M on a quality 3C, then why not? Regardless, I don't think the trade makes sense unless there's a series of other moves to follow because the Pens would now be weaker at wing.

I do think NSH is an interesting team to deal with. I have to think they're going to be on the hunt for goaltending. The Pens have good goalie prospects in Jarry and Gustavson (sp?). There could be deal there unless they're going for already established goalies.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 2 @ 5:01 PM ET
$6M 3rd line center... I'm ok with that if the Pens can do it without creating any holes. I think people place too much emphasis on the cost of a player sometimes vs. the position they play. If they're effective and make the Pens better, then why not?

If the Pens can have solid depth and still spend $6M on a quality 3C, then why not? Regardless, I don't think the trade makes sense unless there's a series of other moves to follow because the Pens would now be weaker at wing.

I do think NSH is an interesting team to deal with. I have to think they're going to be on the hunt for goaltending. The Pens have good goalie prospects in Jarry and Gustavson (sp?). There could be deal there unless they're going for already established goalies.

- Rinosaur


Gus is how we got Brassard. He's with OTT. That proposed deal with Nash makes zero sense to me.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 5:11 PM ET
$6M 3rd line center... I'm ok with that if the Pens can do it without creating any holes. I think people place too much emphasis on the cost of a player sometimes vs. the position they play. If they're effective and make the Pens better, then why not?

If the Pens can have solid depth and still spend $6M on a quality 3C, then why not? Regardless, I don't think the trade makes sense unless there's a series of other moves to follow because the Pens would now be weaker at wing.

I do think NSH is an interesting team to deal with. I have to think they're going to be on the hunt for goaltending. The Pens have good goalie prospects in Jarry and Gustavson (sp?). There could be deal there unless they're going for already established goalies.

- Rinosaur


I know theres an argument to be made that Kessel makes $6.8 and was on the third line so why not have a $6M third line center? But Kessel is also on the top power play and spends a fair amount of time on the 2nd line. A 3C isn't getting that extra ice time...and if they get more ice for PK, is that worth paying that much for?

Im ok either way if, as you said, we have enough quality/cheap players to fill out the roster (which seems tough to do with a barren farm system)
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 2 @ 5:13 PM ET
This would be a great troll job on the media.

GMJR: You guys want to fan tge flames on moving Kessel? Fine! In his place I'll bring back the guy you all hate!

- Tojo.


I'd love to have James Neal back. I hated losing him, however Ruth was right about needing a net-front guy.

People made such a big deal about him kneeing Marchand in the head. Neal should have gotten a bonus for that.

YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 5:27 PM ET
I'd love to have James Neal back. I hated losing him, however Ruth was right about needing a net-front guy.

People made such a big deal about him kneeing Marchand in the head. Neal should have gotten a bonus for that.

- madmike71


Haha. Yeah i can't say that bothered me too much.

He's not super fast or young but I'd still welcome him back with open arms. That release is tailor made for the talented centers we have.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 5:57 PM ET
Haha. Yeah i can't say that bothered me too much.

He's not super fast or young but I'd still welcome him back with open arms. That release is tailor made for the talented centers we have.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


I still don't know who you're going to get to pick up the slack when he stops scoring in the second half of the season.

IMO he's not worth the price he'll likely get.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jun 2 @ 6:01 PM ET
Although I would love to see kessel on Kings, it’s not going to be Kempe going the other way nor do I think forbort is going anywhere either. If anything kings would trade Pearson and Martinez as those are the names most frequently mentioned to get traded from LA. Highly unlikely pens take that offer but that’s whats more likely than Kempe. Kings are looking to get younger and faster. We’ll see... but kessel sure would look nice with Kopitar or Carter 😬
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 6:02 PM ET
Gus is how we got Brassard. He's with OTT. That proposed deal with Nash makes zero sense to me.
- madmike71


Despite Brassard not having a great stint with the Pens thus far (although I think it was mainly to do with the injury since he was starting to gel prior to that injury), Turris really isn't that much of an upgrade if he really is at all.

Brassard and Turris have almost exact PPG numbers throughout their careers. I don't know enough of Turris' intangibles to really compare them apples-to-apples, but to pay someone $3M more for what MIGHT be a lateral move doesn't make sense.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 6:32 PM ET
Despite Brassard not having a great stint with the Pens thus far (although I think it was mainly to do with the injury since he was starting to gel prior to that injury), Turris really isn't that much of an upgrade if he really is at all.

Brassard and Turris have almost exact PPG numbers throughout their careers. I don't know enough of Turris' intangibles to really compare them apples-to-apples, but to pay someone $3M more for what MIGHT be a lateral move doesn't make sense.

- Rinosaur


Yeah the only real 'luxury' would be having a young way above average 3rd line C locked up for years to come.we won't ever have to worry about 3C again in the Sid/Geno era.

Brassard is super cheap but that's only for one year. Though, despite being older, could still sign his next deal around $6M to stay with us.

Having Turris and Brassard both for 1 season would sure be nice though lol.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 2 @ 6:37 PM ET
Yeah the only real 'luxury' would be having a young way above average 3rd line C locked up for years to come.we won't ever have to worry about 3C again in the Sid/Geno era.

Brassard is super cheap but that's only for one year. Though, despite being older, could still sign his next deal around $6M to stay with us.

Having Turris and Brassard both for 1 season would sure be nice though lol.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


I just don't see what purpose it would serve. Neither have any real experience at wing and Brassard at 4C just won't happen. I think he'd request a trade before it did.

Yes though, I agree, having an above average 3C(basically a legit 2C) locked up would be nice. I just wonder what Brassard would cost to extend.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 2 @ 6:38 PM ET
Although I would love to see kessel on Kings, it’s not going to be Kempe going the other way nor do I think forbort is going anywhere either. If anything kings would trade Pearson and Martinez as those are the names most frequently mentioned to get traded from LA. Highly unlikely pens take that offer but that’s whats more likely than Kempe. Kings are looking to get younger and faster. We’ll see... but kessel sure would look nice with Kopitar or Carter 😬
- KINGS67


While I understand the rationale and hesitation....it's hard to hear balking at trading someone like Kempe when youre discussing a top 10 scorer on a very reasonable contract.

Pearson and Martinez are both good players but there's just not enough motivation to trade Kessel for that, unless you're throwing in Vilardi or Clague, imo.

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