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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 14 @ 9:02 PM ET
I was in a hurry did not get to that please make the adjustments.
- Scott1977

Not sure how things would work out cap wise and this is only the forwards, but based on plugging in who you proposed as players coming back in these trades:

DeBrincat - Tavares - Kane
Saad - Schmaltz - Zadina
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Hayden
Dzingel - Lowry - Ferland

Ferland is listed as a LW so not sure how he translates as a RW.

This projection means not signing Wagner or Wingels and also leaves off Hinostroza and Martinsen unless one of these four guys is the 13th forward.

Also, Tavares is going to command more than $9mm. I'm thinking more than what Toews and Kane each make.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 14 @ 9:05 PM ET
Nothing to do with education, I was merely wondering if you were having a laugh or if you genuinely misspelt almost all the names.
My answer has now been given. Thank you very much

- AusHawk

Just messing with you was in hurry didn't take time to check things along with making line adjustments. We all are fans so lets just all get along and discuss what hawks will or might do in this offseason.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 14 @ 9:20 PM ET
Not sure how things would work out cap wise and this is only the forwards, but based on plugging in who you proposed as players coming back in these trades:

DeBrincat - Tavares - Kane
Saad - Schmaltz - Zadina
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Hayden
Dzingel - Lowry - Ferland

Ferland is listed as a LW so not sure how he translates as a RW.

This projection means not signing Wagner or Wingels and also leaves off Hinostroza and Martinsen unless one of these four guys is the 13th forward.

Also, Tavares is going to command more than $9mm. I'm thinking more than what Toews and Kane each make.

- AEL_Fox

Ok like i said just playing arm chair gm wasn't really concering about cap implication . hawks are not getting tavares but if hawks can get the other players and sigh a top 6 center could be good team another d man is also needed through free agency. Like your lines good work.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

May 14 @ 10:23 PM ET
I'd steak a bet he would!
- Slofire94


That would be a tofoo steak.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

May 14 @ 10:29 PM ET
Was working on some paperwork on the desk in the family room. The tv around the corner was rocking with chorouses of “fluery”, “fluery” right after the jets scored. As I listened to the play-by-play, I heard the play that put the knights back up by two. I had to get up to check the tv because the sound immediately went off. Then I heard just the announced.....don’t think I ever heard such a loud crowd so suddenly silent so quickly in any sport. Nice response by the knights to take the fans out of it.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

May 14 @ 10:33 PM ET
I remember many of you were speculating — and hoping — last summer and earlier in the season that the knights would have to shed several of the extra defensemen they took in the expansion draft. Much of the discussion centered around Schmidt. Didn’t really know anything about him but after watching him in the playoffs so far, I can state his skill set would have been a total waste in the Hawks scheme. No way he fits in with what we already had.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

May 14 @ 10:33 PM ET
Hey crew - I have asked around about the Toews/MTL rumours and I am not getting anything concrete back.

I would really think that if this happened, it would be a monumental shift in this team's direction, as in... a rebuild and re-imaging.

As much as Toews isn't the player he once was, he means so much to this franchise on and of the ice.

Anything can happen, but I would be very surprised.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 14 @ 10:44 PM ET
Nice game by LVGK.

Pegs defenseman did not care for the fore check at all, as I've said before Peg at times plays really irresponsible with the puck
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 14 @ 10:45 PM ET
Buff looked slow and tired tonight

RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

May 14 @ 10:56 PM ET
Hey crew - I have asked around about the Toews/MTL rumours and I am not getting anything concrete back.

I would really think that if this happened, it would be a monumental shift in this team's direction, as in... a rebuild and re-imaging.

As much as Toews isn't the player he once was, he means so much to this franchise on and of the ice.

Anything can happen, but I would be very surprised.

- Justin Lowe

EK spews nonsense, this is just another example of it.

All anybody has to do is look at the Habs roster and realize they have no centers and nothing to trade back for Toews. Montreal has one of the worst if not the worst lineup in the NHL.

And why would Toews waive to pay the tax rate in La Belle Province.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

May 14 @ 11:01 PM ET
Did I miss the Nashville troll coming back after the Preds were eliminated last week to eat crow and say something like’, “well, I guess I overestimated and I let my emotions and love for a team that has never won anything get in the way of good judgement”. Anyone see anything like that?
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 14 @ 11:18 PM ET
I don't think Bergevin is safe in Montreal from the Lynch crowd if he could be so foolish. While he is drunk in some Molson brewary when he completes such trade, I will gladly take Danault back. Oh is it just Eklund based.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

May 14 @ 11:20 PM ET
EK spews nonsense, this is just another example of it.

All anybody has to do is look at the Habs roster and realize they have no centers and nothing to trade back for Toews. Montreal has one of the worst if not the worst lineup in the NHL.

And why would Toews waive to pay the tax rate in La Belle Province.

- RickJ



It’s a very improbable rumor for a multitude of reasons. Honestly, why would any GM who has watched Toews lately want him and that contract? Guys at his cap hit are supposed to make those around him better....Brandon Saad just had the worst season of his career almost exclusively playing with 19.


Also I know lots of folk here like to rag on his Onnit diet but if anything an optimized diet would enhance performance, not diminish it. It’s either concussions or the rumored back injury, or both, IMO. I just can’t believe that this guy who was the hardest worker in the NHL for nearly a decade just stopped training hard.....he looked like he was 39 not 29 last year....I think he is physically limited by injury. We will see if he can bounce back and be an Elite, game-changing player again....
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 14 @ 11:30 PM ET
It’s a very improbable rumor for a multitude of reasons. Honestly, why would any GM who has watched Toews lately want him and that contract? Guys at his cap hit are supposed to make those around him better....Brandon Saad just had the worst season of his career almost exclusively playing with 19.


Also I know lots of folk here like to rag on his Onnit diet but if anything an optimized diet would enhance performance, not diminish it. It’s either concussions or the rumored back injury, or both, IMO. I just can’t believe that this guy who was the hardest worker in the NHL for nearly a decade just stopped training hard.....he looked like he was 39 not 29 last year....I think he is physically limited by injury. We will see if he can bounce back and be an Elite, game-changing player again....

- EnzoD


He is not going to bounce back. He is not regularly ever the kind of player that he once was. I could maybe see him in a few streches getting hot if he has a good five man unit he skates with. Nothing supports his turning around last season's new look..In fact, he better be careful not to get too dinged up, Could easily happen irregardless of Bowman adding more grit and toughness. Moreover, have been suggesting for several months it is more a matter of when his play worsens enough, then what?
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

May 14 @ 11:35 PM ET
It’s a very improbable rumor for a multitude of reasons. Honestly, why would any GM who has watched Toews lately want him and that contract? Guys at his cap hit are supposed to make those around him better....Brandon Saad just had the worst season of his career almost exclusively playing with 19.


Also I know lots of folk here like to rag on his Onnit diet but if anything an optimized diet would enhance performance, not diminish it. It’s either concussions or the rumored back injury, or both, IMO. I just can’t believe that this guy who was the hardest worker in the NHL for nearly a decade just stopped training hard.....he looked like he was 39 not 29 last year....I think he is physically limited by injury. We will see if he can bounce back and be an Elite, game-changing player again....

- EnzoD


Not discounting the injury theory as I think that is likely a big reason, but. . .

From everything publicly available about them, the Onnit program seems to be centered around crossfit training, mind-expanding travel adventures, psychological advice/philosophy, non-FDA-approved supplements, and founders who speak of pot and microdosing LSD as performance enhancers.

I think that may be why several of us are skeptical about its positive effects. Certainly hasn't been a positive correlation with performance with the players we know who are "onnit."

Have seen less of Toews posting support for their products and philosophies, though he is still listed as a sponsored athlete. Not sure how much it is or is not incorporated into his routine lately, if at all.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

May 14 @ 11:36 PM ET
He is not going to bounce back. He is not regularly ever be the kind of player that he once was. I could maybe see him in a few strechd getting hot if he has a good five man unit he ska skates with. Nothing supports his turning around last season's new look..In fact, he better be careful not to get too dinged up, Could easily happen irregardless of Bowman adding more grit and toughness. Moreover, have been suggsting for several months it is more a matter of when his play diod bad enough, then what?
- jhawk59



It’s very unlikely, I agree.

"There's one guy on the team they are not prepared to trade, Sebastion Aho. Everybody else, everybody else, is available," -Bob McKenzie referring to the mindset of the new Carolina Front Office. 27th+Anisimov for Hanafin+Rask
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

May 14 @ 11:43 PM ET
Not discounting the injury theory as I think that is likely a big reason, but. . .

From everything publicly available about them, the Onnit program seems to be centered around crossfit training, mind-expanding travel adventures, psychological advice/philosophy, non-FDA-approved supplements, and founders who speak of pot and microdosing LSD as performance enhancers.

I think that may be why several of us are skeptical about its positive effects. Certainly hasn't been a positive correlation with performance with the players we know who are "onnit."

Have seen less of Toews posting support for their products and philosophies, though he is still listed as a sponsored athlete. Not sure how much it is or is not incorporated into his routine lately, if at all.

- pdx2ord


Competition at the highest level comes down to both physical and mental strength. Keith is the one referred to as the genetic freak who even at 34 can still skate with Mackinnon and McDavid. I view the Onnit as a way for them to try and gain a competitive advantage by working to be in a great mental and physical state. I have done minimal research on the program. Perhaps it hasn’t benefitted either 2 or 19 significantly, but I find it unlikely that it would be the root cause of Toews’ sudden decline in play. IMO it’s more likely physical injuries. Keith’s knee injury in 2015, combined with his age and support on D, are what I think has led to his decline.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

May 14 @ 11:58 PM ET
Competition at the highest level comes down to both physical and mental strength. Keith is the one referred to as the genetic freak who even at 34 can still skate with Mackinnon and McDavid. I view the Onnit as a way for them to try and gain a competitive advantage by working to be in a great mental and physical state. I have done minimal research on the program. Perhaps it hasn’t benefitted either 2 or 19 significantly, but I find it unlikely that it would be the root cause of Toews’ sudden decline in play. IMO it’s more likely physical injuries. Keith’s knee injury in 2015, combined with his age and support on D, are what I think has led to his decline.
- EnzoD


Definitely agree with the injuries + age being most likely root cause of their decline.

It was a long time ago that I listened, so I am seriously paraphrasing now, but my ears did perk up at Toews talking with the Onnit founder about how he had learned to let losses roll off his back, to not take them personally.

The legend of Toews would lead you to believe that a large part of his success and rise was due to his single-mindedness to the point of obsessiveness. If he has changed in that area, for any reason, maybe that is part of what we are seeing. Completely understand why anyone would want to learn to not take work home with them and have it negatively affect their outside life. However, not sure if that isn't detrimental to athletes whose DNA needs that hyper competitiveness with others and self to excel.

But, unless he comes clean on injuries or offers up his summer routine publicly, only thing we can do is speculate and watch what happens on the ice next year.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 15 @ 12:40 AM ET
It’s very unlikely, I agree.

"There's one guy on the team they are not prepared to trade, Sebastion Aho. Everybody else, everybody else, is available," -Bob McKenzie referring to the mindset of the new Carolina Front Office. 27th+Anisimov for Hanafin+Rask

- EnzoD


Done
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 15 @ 1:47 AM ET
https://www.nbcsports.com...p-bets-blackhawks-2018-19

CSN Chicago had an article today about 5 bets related to the 2018-19 Blackhawks:

1) Saad's point total being 48.5
CSN said over; I say over with 55-60 points

2) Keith's goal total being 4.5
CSN said over; I say under with 3 goals but high assist total

3) Crawford's win total being 32.5
CSN said over; I say either way under with 10-15 wins due to games lost to recovery time or way over around 35-40 wins (the team goes as Crawford goes)

4) More goals: DeBrincat or Toews
CSN said Toews; I say DeBrincat with 35 goals and Toews with 28-30 goals

5) Hawks point total being 93.5
CSN said over; I say the team is either way under (70) or way over (105); see comments in #3 about Crawford
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 15 @ 7:06 AM ET
It’s very unlikely, I agree.

"There's one guy on the team they are not prepared to trade, Sebastion Aho. Everybody else, everybody else, is available," -Bob McKenzie referring to the mindset of the new Carolina Front Office. 27th+Anisimov for Hanafin+Rask

- EnzoD


I accept this offer

I would not be surprised if Bowman has one gutuy trade he will try hard tohhgg
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 15 @ 7:38 AM ET
Competition at the highest level comes down to both physical and mental strength. Keith is the one referred to as the genetic freak who even at 34 can still skate with Mackinnon and McDavid. I view the Onnit as a way for them to try and gain a competitive advantage by working to be in a great mental and physical state. I have done minimal research on the program. Perhaps it hasn’t benefitted either 2 or 19 significantly, but I find it unlikely that it would be the root cause of Toews’ sudden decline in play. IMO it’s more likely physical injuries. Keith’s knee injury in 2015, combined with his age and support on D, are what I think has led to his decline.
- EnzoD



He might be able to go stride for stride with those guys, but unfortunately Keith's stride is maybe 1/3 the length of those other guy's strides. Duncan Keith has never been fast. Quick, especially laterally with those short choppy strides, is much more like it.
Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

May 15 @ 8:45 AM ET
Not sure how things would work out cap wise and this is only the forwards, but based on plugging in who you proposed as players coming back in these trades:

DeBrincat - Tavares - Kane
Saad - Schmaltz - Zadina
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Hayden
Dzingel - Lowry - Ferland

Ferland is listed as a LW so not sure how he translates as a RW.

This projection means not signing Wagner or Wingels and also leaves off Hinostroza and Martinsen unless one of these four guys is the 13th forward.

Also, Tavares is going to command more than $9mm. I'm thinking more than what Toews and Kane each make.

- AEL_Fox


I like Teavares but he’s always been an average skater at best and with the increasing speed of the NHL year after year he’s going to look out of place by year three of a new contract.

I for one would not sign JT long term but I’m sure someone will.
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

May 15 @ 8:54 AM ET
It’s very unlikely, I agree.

"There's one guy on the team they are not prepared to trade, Sebastion Aho. Everybody else, everybody else, is available," -Bob McKenzie referring to the mindset of the new Carolina Front Office. 27th+Anisimov for Hanafin+Rask

- EnzoD



do it, Stan.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

May 15 @ 9:25 AM ET
I like Teavares but he’s always been an average skater at best and with the increasing speed of the NHL year after year he’s going to look out of place by year three of a new contract.

I for one would not sign JT long term but I’m sure someone will.

- Colbyboy



He has the IQ to make up for some of the speed deficiancy, but at some point I'm thinking you're right. Hopefully later than the 3 year mark.
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