I for one would be shocked if Toews goes anywhere. Seabrook, and Keith maybe, can't believe they'd move Toews.
- vabeachbear

If they think they can make a run at Tavares... I don't see why trading Toews is such an issue

Other than the throwback from the fanbase
Disconnect in the locker room
Major scrutiny from anyone around the sport
Etc etc...

Toews/#8 for #3 pick/Galchenyuk

Crawford to NYI for either 11th / 12th overall.

Picks/prospects to Carolina for Darling

Do we do these deals?

EDIT: Imagine all of Toew's "intangibles" and him "fixing" whatever is wrong in the Montreal locker room
- Slofire94

if Toews cap hit wasn't polarizing, it would be interesting to see how fans feel about him. all I can say is we as fans better be careful what we wish for. if the Hawks trade Toews, they better have a backup plan for bringing in some center depth. for a team who is already very weak down the middle, losing him would be a nightmare. the problems with the Hawks run deeper than toews point production.

If they think they can make a run at Tavares... I don't see why trading Toews is such an issue

Other than the throwback from the fanbase
Disconnect in the locker room
Major scrutiny from anyone around the sport
Etc etc...

- Slofire94

i would be interested to see how the Hawks play with toews and tavares as your first and second line centers.

Toews would be a sacrificial lamb in the Canadian media after watching about 15 games of his pedestrian play.

if Toews cap hit wasn't polarizing, it would be interesting to see how fans feel about him. all I can say is we as fans better be careful what we wish for. if the Hawks trade Toews, they better have a backup plan for bringing in some center depth. for a team who is already very weak down the middle, losing him would be a nightmare. the problems with the Hawks run deeper than toews point production.
- frafra

Yes.
The problems lay at the feet of a head coach that can't sort out how to put the talents of NHL caliber players to use and forces the GM to launch them.

The problems lay at the feet of a GM that can't figure out how to be on the same page with a recalcitrant head coach.

The problems lay at the feet of a President that knows nothing about hockey but apparently has his say about everything from players, contracts, NMC's/NTC's.

Let's hope Rocky has had enough, that season ticket holders have spit the bit and aren't renewing and the waiting list is gone. Maybe enough impetus to finally get a real hockey guy in charge making hockey decisions instead of by committee.

Yes.
The problems lay at the feet of a head coach that can't sort out how to put the talents of NHL caliber players to use and forces the GM to launch them.

The problems lay at the feet of a GM that can't figure out how to be on the same page with a recalcitrant head coach.

The problems lay at the feet of a President that knows nothing about hockey but apparently has his say about everything from players, contracts, NMC's/NTC's.

Let's hope Rocky has had enough, that season ticket holders have spit the bit and aren't renewing and the waiting list is gone. Maybe enough impetus to finally get a real hockey guy in charge making hockey decisions instead of by committee.
- savvyone-1

Do the players ever have any accountability in this??

As far as the Toews rumors...I can't see them moving him. I wonder if floating his name out there by the organization is a wake up call to him on his high horse thinking he's untouchable

Yes.
The problems lay at the feet of a head coach that can't sort out how to put the talents of NHL caliber players to use and forces the GM to launch them.

The problems lay at the feet of a GM that can't figure out how to be on the same page with a recalcitrant head coach.

The problems lay at the feet of a President that knows nothing about hockey but apparently has his say about everything from players, contracts, NMC's/NTC's.

Let's hope Rocky has had enough, that season ticket holders have spit the bit and aren't renewing and the waiting list is gone. Maybe enough impetus to finally get a real hockey guy in charge making hockey decisions instead of by committee.
- savvyone-1

Please add to the problems:

A core of stars (Toews, Keith, Seabrook, add in Crawford) that aren't / haven't been / can't perform to their star-status of 3 years ago

A slug of young players who have yet proven to be quality contributors to a Cup contender (the jury is still out even on AdB and Chicken Fat).

At some point, some of the "blame" has to go on the players on the ice - and the stars and locker-room leaders who haven't been able to help bring them along.

Please add to the problems:

A core of stars (Toews, Keith, Seabrook, add in Crawford) that aren't / haven't been / can't perform to their star-status of 3 years ago

A slug of young players who have yet proven to be quality contributors to a Cup contender (the jury is still out even on AdB and Chicken Fat).

At some point, some of the "blame" has to go on the players on the ice - and the stars and locker-room leaders who haven't been able to help bring them along.
- StLBravesFan

totally agree*. could you also add the the constant change or turnover in roster also was bound to catch up to them? especially last off season...losing quality of players such as Hossa, Panarin, and Hjalmarsson probably didn't help the team overall.

the Hawks current "core" has to step up- no doubt about that. this is also the first season in a decade that they were this bad. I know the last two seasons weren't great also, but I also don't think that the careers of some of these guys are over just yet.

still want to see what SB has planned.

if Toews cap hit wasn't polarizing, it would be interesting to see how fans feel about him. all I can say is we as fans better be careful what we wish for. if the Hawks trade Toews, they better have a backup plan for bringing in some center depth. for a team who is already very weak down the middle, losing him would be a nightmare. the problems with the Hawks run deeper than toews point production.
- frafra

I would much rather have the Jonathan Toews of 2009-2015, but I think it’s a fantasy to expect that player given his play over the last 3 seasons. Seems as though Marian Hossa was the key piece of that line during the mini-dynasty.

Toews/#8 for #3 pick/Galchenyuk

Crawford to NYI for either 11th / 12th overall.

Picks/prospects to Carolina for Darling

Do we do these deals?

EDIT: Imagine all of Toew's "intangibles" and him "fixing" whatever is wrong in the Montreal locker room
- Slofire94

Have you seen Darling play lately? Darling was about as good as Berube or Glass last season.

Hmmm....I make a suggestion of Toews and #8 for Atkinson and #18 now there's a trade rumour of Toews to Montreal?

Have you seen Darling play lately? Darling was about as good as Berube or Glass last season.

Hmmm....I make a suggestion of Toews and #8 for Atkinson and #18 now there's a trade rumour of Toews to Montreal?


- DarthKane

Is this like when you said we'd pick #1...

That would be a trade that could go very badly both ways depending on the details.

I would much rather have the Jonathan Toews of 2009-2015, but I think it’s a fantasy to expect that player given his play over the last 3 seasons. Seems as though Marian Hossa was the key piece of that line during the mini-dynasty.
- EnzoD

yup. I agree. again, I will say this...I think there is some validity to a lot of different ideas and theories that posters of this thread usually bring up. SB, Q, and the players are all at fault. This is the first summer in forever the Hawks can be aggressive with free agency- especially if AA is moved. I would like to see what they do this summer before I say blow it all up. If they can fill areas of serious need, I would like to see how this team looks next year with some of the youth.

I know it sounds crazy, but I would actually really like to see them make a play at Tavares.

Toews would be a sacrificial lamb in the Canadian media after watching about 15 games of his pedestrian play.
- EnzoD

I agree with you, and don't see McDonut making the trade for other reasons. I personally believe the rumor is a method to get the hit count up, it is lagging across this site.. Just my 0.02 worth...

Trading Toews would be the signal for a deeper rebuild. They don't currently have anyone that replaces him today on the roster.

I agree with you, and don't see McDonut making the trade for other reasons. I personally believe the rumor is a method to get the hit count up, it is lagging across this site.. Just my 0.02 worth...
- riozzo

There is also the chance that MTL is floating out names to get more parties interested/possibly get more value.

If there is even a tiny chance, you go hard after Tavares. Period.

Trading Toews would be the signal for a deeper rebuild. They don't currently have anyone that replaces him today on the roster.
- breadbag

Yeah, we really missed having a defensive minded 3C who was strong at the dot, this season.

It's time for Toews and the Hawks to part.

Would benefit both camps IMO.

Do the players ever have any accountability in this??

As far as the Toews rumors...I can't see them moving him. I wonder if floating his name out there by the organization is a wake up call to him on his high horse thinking he's untouchable
- PatShart

There's a little thing called the NMC. When Tazer finds out his $10.5M nets out at $4M after Quebec taxes he will enforce it and show McD and Stanbo the middle finger.

Ek misspelled Anisimov's name as Toews.

Do the players ever have any accountability in this??

As far as the Toews rumors...I can't see them moving him. I wonder if floating his name out there by the organization is a wake up call to him on his high horse thinking he's untouchable
- PatShart

Where and when has Toews ever been on a "High horse thinking he's untouchable"?

Regardless of what you think of his salary and his play of the last several years, there is nothing that can even be remotely correlated to him saying or thinking he is untouchable.

Trade Toews to Montreal, go after Tavares. Just trading JT's.

Where and when has Toews ever been on a "High horse thinking he's untouchable"?

Regardless of what you think of his salary and his play of the last several years, there is nothing that can even be remotely correlated to him saying or thinking he is untouchable.
- TheTrob

Actions speak louder than words -- at least in my world.
What about:
>the new-fad ONNIT bs diet and the Jonestown/cult way of living?
>what about NEVER EVER hearing/reading one single thing about an off-season program he is attending/participating in like:
- speed training
- weight training
- skills training with some of the top NHL talent
???

This is a guy that has, for the last 3 seasons at least, marched to a different drummer. While Patrick Kane has done all of the above and those things were documented either by the local rags or television, the only things we ever seemed to hear about #19 was his vacationing in some faraway places with his squeeze. Never once have heard about him working on anything other than whatever he's done on his own.

Pretty sure we all know that in order to make progress, especially as a top athlete, it almost necessitates hiring an expert in a particular area for improvement to happen.

That silently speaks to a feeling of invincibility.
Bet we see more of the same this coming season.

I would much rather have the Jonathan Toews of 2009-2015, but I think it’s a fantasy to expect that player given his play over the last 3 seasons. Seems as though Marian Hossa was the key piece of that line during the mini-dynasty.
- EnzoD

.....You mean the same Marian Hossa who so many people on this board wanted traded because his cap-hit was too much and didn't correspond to his production.

Regardless of what you think of Toews play over the past few years, he is still clearly the best C on this team, and those behind him currently in the organization are not even close. In addition, any team possibly trading for Toews, needs a C, so they clearly are not going to trade you a better one.

So, hypothetically, lets say the Hawks swap Toews for a solid D-man, or a few talented prospects or picks. They then use their new found $'s to sign Tavares for $9-9.5mil, and are still in need of more C's, while also weakening their forward D (a lot)

Well I guess if Wayne can be traded anyone can .. I do not believe a rebuild is needed just a simple Coaching change would do wonders ....But well we are at it Toews our 27TH for Price Galynchek there 2nd .Crow to NYI for two 1st . Keith to Florida for 15th pick and Petrovic Heponiemi . Take a run Stastny Green Letestu Beagle Maroon Rieley Nash to name a couple ,And of course a NEW !! coach . How about the guy in Rockford .. Vegas is showing anything is possible with a good coach And some motivated players .. .. GO HAWKS & HOGS !!!!

Actions speak louder than words -- at least in my world.
What about:
>the new-fad ONNIT bs diet and the Jonestown/cult way of living?
>what about NEVER EVER hearing/reading one single thing about an off-season program he is attending/participating in like:
- speed training
- weight training
- skills training with some of the top NHL talent
???

This is a guy that has, for the last 3 seasons at least, marched to a different drummer. While Patrick Kane has done all of the above and those things were documented either by the local rags or television, the only things we ever seemed to hear about #19 was his vacationing in some faraway places with his squeeze. Never once have heard about him working on anything other than whatever he's done on his own.

Pretty sure we all know that in order to make progress, especially as a top athlete, it almost necessitates hiring an expert in a particular area for improvement to happen.

That silently speaks to a feeling of invincibility.
Bet we see more of the same this coming season.
- savvyone-1

Sorry, your still trying to project something onto him that there is absolutely no evidence exists.

Regardless of what you think about ONNIT or whatever workout and skills training he may or may not be on, he himself has never intimated in anything he has said or done that he feels untouchable.

Kane has always been a rink rat, he has always been known to be one, comparing most players to him and his off-season training would come up at a deficit.

Funny how for years everyone was talking about time away from the game and out of the rink, and recharging the batteries and healing, but when players actually do it, now they are not working hard enough.