No thanks each of those trades
- jhawk59

You wouldn't take buff for toews or the Karlsson deal I'd do both especially the toews deal.

Another perspective is considering Kane's draft class when the top 3 was highly contested as to who the Hawks should have picked at #1: him, van Riemsdyk, or Turris. It was Kane all the way for many but others in the hockey world, pros and fans alike, who didn't think so.

Not to take anything away from JVR and Turris, but Kane is heads and heels better and in retrospect a no brainer to be top pick.

Similarly, Kane will go to the Hall and have his number retired. Can't say the same with JVR, Turris, or anyone else in that draft class.
- AEL_Fox

That was a Draft Year were there was some talk about Turris who played in a low level BC league. It was ridiculous. JVR also sorta mentioned. Pushed to answer smart scouts and hockey people had Kane as a clear one. The Hawks apparently had Kane a clear one by miles. Thankfully.

That was a Draft Year were there was some talk about Turris who played in a low level BC league. It was ridiculous. JVR also sorta mentioned. Pushed to answer smart scouts and hockey people had Kane as a clear one. The Hawks apparently had Kane a clear one by miles. Thankfully.
- Z3Hawk

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/redraft/2007/

According to Wiz's draft website, the 2007 re-draft has JVR going 8th to Boston and Turris going 12th to Montreal and Kane remaining as top pick to Chicago. Here is his top 12 re-drafted which is a pretty good set of players:

1: Kane, Hawks
2: Benn, Flyers
3: Pacioretty, Coyotes
4: Subban, Kings
5: Simmonds, Capitals
6: Voracek, Oilers
7: Couture, Jackets
8: van Riemsyk, Bruins
9: Shattenkirk, Sharks
10: McDonagh, Panthers
11: Muzzin, Canes
12: Turris, Habs

Darling went 15th to the Oilers.

Your mouth to God’s ear DK. Dahlin or Tkachuk.

But Ill bet on not getting the lottery pick, and Stan trading the #8 pick down for multiple lower picks so he can draft another 5’10 165 pound Hobie Baker winning forward at #31, two more sub-six foot D guys who “play big” and have “good hockey IQ”, and pick up another reclamation project or two like Duclair or Murphy who will play for league minimum.

20/19/88 first line, a second line with ADB and Schmaltz and ? that cant hold the puck in the zone, and two fourth lines that will change every night - half of them with I-Passes doing the Rockford shuffle, 2/7 and seven D guys rotated all year for the bottom four slots. Again.

Feels a lot like the end of McD’s reign with the Cubs. Stuck with bad contracts with pariahs, nothing in the pipeline, and a GM in Hendry looking for lightning in a bottle from rushed prospects and washed up vets.
- Return of the Roar

The only difference is there are three banners hanging in the rafters...not the only but definitely the biggest one. Not saying McDonough is responsible for those, but there was an actual payoff vs some Cub teams that came up just short or fizzled in the playoffs altogether.

You wouldn't take buff for toews or the Karlsson deal I'd do both especially the toews deal.
- vandymeer23

What was it that i read? Sure NOW Buff for Toews but that is stupid on Jets behalf. It was derived for a story just to make a headline, no real substance to it. Just spitballing. Waste of time to even read it. You and i can write a fluff article. Come up with some ideas and certain things to say, then write the words around it. Journalism in its worse state.

Karlsson as a free agent; no thank you. He gets serious injuries. Because of that achillies he is not worth a long contract. Likely a couple teams will mske it a bidding process.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/redraft/2007/

According to Wiz's draft website, the 2007 re-draft has JVR going 8th to Boston and Turris going 12th to Montreal and Kane remaining as top pick to Chicago. Here is his top 12 re-drafted which is a pretty good set of players:

1: Kane, Hawks
2: Benn, Flyers
3: Pacioretty, Coyotes
4: Subban, Kings
5: Simmonds, Capitals
6: Voracek, Oilers
7: Couture, Jackets
8: van Riemsyk, Bruins
9: Shattenkirk, Sharks
10: McDonagh, Panthers
11: Muzzin, Canes
12: Turris, Habs

Darling went 15th to the Oilers.
- AEL_Fox

I hate looking at re-drafts, not only because hind-sight is 20/20, but because you realize things like the Hawks could have got PK Subban or Wayne Simmonds instead of Billy Sweatt in the second round!

I hate looking at re-drafts, not only because hind-sight is 20/20, but because you realize things like the Hawks could have got PK Subban or Wayne Simmonds instead of Billy Sweatt in the second round!
- tvetter

But that Billy Sweatt could skate like the wind.

But that Billy Sweatt could skate like the wind.
- powerenforcer

Like the Wind - sadly there were diminishing winds as time went on.

Who

who do you think will be a steal when the hawks pick at 27 -31?
- Scott1977

I honestly don't know, I've been focusing on the top 15 or so picks. Hopefully someone who's projected top 20 falls to us, fingers crossed.

Name them?
This one's easy. 6 or 7 Hossa's in their prime!
- 35Tony0

I'm by NO MEANS knocking Hossa's skillset!
But Hossa simply lacks the (individual) hardware to support this theory...
Kane has dominated the game individually, and for his line/teammates in #1 ways Big Hoss just hasn't

I'm by NO MEANS knocking Hossa's skillset!
But Hossa simply lacks the (individual) hardware to support this theory...
Kane has dominated the game individually, and for his line/teammates in #1 ways Big Hoss just hasn't
- Slofire94

Did you watch Hossa when he was in OTT or ATL? He topped 40g, 100pts. It's a crime he never won a Selke and was the biggest reason #19 has his Selkes - and any lone he played on, for that matter. So no doubt hes elevated whatever linemates hes played on. It Hossa was Canadian, he'd be revered even more.

Most trophies are popularity contests versus actual best players for that specific/voted on by reporters trophies

I'm by NO MEANS knocking Hossa's skillset!
But Hossa simply lacks the (individual) hardware to support this theory...
Kane has dominated the game individually, and for his line/teammates in #1 ways Big Hoss just hasn't
- Slofire94

That being said, NEITHER won the Cup without the other. Kane and Hossa are two of the best to ever lace them up.

That being said, NEITHER won the Cup without the other. Kane and Hossa are two of the best to ever lace them up.
- 35Tony0

I still remember where i was when i heard (actually saw on NHL network) the Hawks signed Hossa in free agency. I was over the moon, couldn't believe it. He was everything and more. One of the best free agent signings ever.

I still remember where i was when i heard (actually saw on NHL network) the Hawks signed Hossa in free agency. I was over the moon, couldn't believe it. He was everything and more. One of the best free agent signings ever.
- BlazinMike

Yep. He should be a first ballot Hall of Famer just for his back checking skills alone, IMHO.

Crawford? Bickel? Stop. Boston was making fun of Crawford at one point. “Generational” doesn’t mean Best of a Generation anymore. McDavid, Eichel, Mathews, Dahlin just the last few years have received this moniker. Again not my rules.
- Z3Hawk

Eichel Generational??? Hardly! Great player - not generational and he couldn't even carry Hossa's encrusted jock...

I also think Mathews may end up going the way of Lindros

You wouldn't take buff for toews or the Karlsson deal I'd do both especially the toews deal.
- vandymeer23

Toews for a bag of pucks

signed - Broken Record

I honestly don't know, I've been focusing on the top 15 or so picks. Hopefully someone who's projected top 20 falls to us, fingers crossed.
- ObeseOprah

Good value #27-31, according to wiz at draftsite.com

Eichel Generational??? Hardly! Great player - not generational and he couldn't even carry Hossa's encrusted jock...

I also think Mathews may end up going the way of Lindros
- riozzo

Don’t attack the Messenger. I wasn’t saying Eichel was “generational” but loads of “hockey experts” were. They were also saying there would’ve been 3 “generational” players in that Draft if Mathews hadn’t missed qualifying for that Draft by days. Same talk next year when he was eligible.

Again not my Words not my Rules. The word “generational” is used too easily. Is Dahlin “generational”? - certainly not yet. Swedish hockey is much different than NHL hockey. Nobody can be 100% certain how his skill set will transfer - in spite of this he is being described as a “generational” talent. The use of this word should simply stop.

Don’t attack the Messenger. I wasn’t saying Eichel was “generational” but loads of “hockey experts” were. They were also saying there would’ve been 3 “generational” players in that Draft if Mathews hadn’t missed qualifying for that Draft by days. Same talk next year when he was eligible.

Again not my Words not my Rules. The word “generational” is used too easily. Is Dahlin “generational”? - certainly not yet. Swedish hockey is much different than NHL hockey. Nobody can be 100% certain how his skill set will transfer - in spite of this he is being described as a “generational” talent. The use of this word should simply stop.
- Z3Hawk

Hawks need to hit it with this draft. Must find solid 2 way players, regardless of position in that first round.

I honestly don't know, I've been focusing on the top 15 or so picks. Hopefully someone who's projected top 20 falls to us, fingers crossed.
- ObeseOprah

Although it is unlikely MERKLEY will fall that far, as he is still rated rather high in the First Round by knowledgable people like the Wiz and McKenzie, we can still hope. Perhaps his attitude problems will make him fall further. He has fallen further down on other lists. I believe the Hawks should trade up to make sure they get him. He has been talked about as having top of the Draft skill and top of the Draft skating. He may be the best skater. He is also very very young - he won’t even be 18 until after the Draft. Was drafted first in OHL Draft and won Rookie of the Year of OHL as a 16 year-old. For me he is the not so hidden hidden gem of the Draft - the Hawks must get him.

I'm by NO MEANS knocking Hossa's skillset!
But Hossa simply lacks the (individual) hardware to support this theory...
Kane has dominated the game individually, and for his line/teammates in #1 ways Big Hoss just hasn't
- Slofire94

Ummmm I'm going to disagree. He's made it to the Cup with all of the good teams he's played with and led a decent Ottawa team to the conference finals.

Hossa also made Jonathan Toews look like the best player in the world for a 5 year stretch so there is that too.

The guy was tremendous in every facet of the game.

I'd take Marian Hossa in his prime over Patrick Kane without thinking twice.

Ummmm I'm going to disagree. He's made it to the Cup with all of the good teams he's played with and led a decent Ottawa team to the conference finals.

Hossa also made Jonathan Toews look like the best player in the world for a 5 year stretch so there is that too.

The guy was tremendous in every facet of the game.

I'd take Marian Hossa in his prime over Patrick Kane without thinking twice.
- fattybeef

We should not forget how great Toews has been in the past because of present play. He was great completely on his own. Leading forward at the Olympics. No Hossa there he was on another team. Toews was a very special player, hopefully we will see again. Hossa did not make Toews. Hossa was a nice player but didn’t make Toews nor was he in the same category as Kane or Toews. Nice player but not Top 100.

Don’t attack the Messenger. I wasn’t saying Eichel was “generational” but loads of “hockey experts” were. They were also saying there would’ve been 3 “generational” players in that Draft if Mathews hadn’t missed qualifying for that Draft by days. Same talk next year when he was eligible.

Again not my Words not my Rules. The word “generational” is used too easily. Is Dahlin “generational”? - certainly not yet. Swedish hockey is much different than NHL hockey. Nobody can be 100% certain how his skill set will transfer - in spite of this he is being described as a “generational” talent. The use of this word should simply stop.
- Z3Hawk

Don't recall doing that. I disagree with the "Experts" After all you did say not my rules.

Ummmm I'm going to disagree. He's made it to the Cup with all of the good teams he's played with and led a decent Ottawa team to the conference finals.

Hossa also made Jonathan Toews look like the best player in the world for a 5 year stretch so there is that too.

The guy was tremendous in every facet of the game.

I'd take Marian Hossa in his prime over Patrick Kane without thinking twice.
- fattybeef

Well, I'd think twice...and either choice, you'd be right/you would not lose

We should not forget how great Toews has been in the past because of present play. He was great completely on his own. Leading forward at the Olympics. No Hossa there he was on another team. Toews was a very special player, hopefully we will see again. Hossa did not make Toews. Hossa was a nice player but didn’t make Toews nor was he in the same category as Kane or Toews. Nice player but not Top 100.
- Z3Hawk

When you say "Toews on his own"...and then mention the Canadian Olympic team. Have you seen that roster?

Toews has never been "on his own". His success has always only been on teams packed with stars around him and based on his linemates

Kane has had Bolland, Handzus Richards, Shaw, etc as his centers.

Toews isn't in the same category as Kane.

Hossa is the best defensive forward of the 3
Hossa is the better goal scorer of the 3
Kane is head above shoulders better passer of the 3 and best point producer of the 3

The only category Toews compares with Kane is 3 cups and salary cap hit.

Toews will be considered a superstar, IMO, when he does more than win face offs and complains to refs

Can he hit 70pts again? Even better, maybe 2yrs in a row? I mean, that's only top 30 in scoring he can't even get to...but he's in the same category as Kane?

Braden Schenn, Josh Bailey, Vincent Trochek all scored 70+ pts...but I'm to believe Toews is a superstar when he hasn't cracked 60 in 3 seasons