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Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Apr 23 @ 3:11 PM ET
Your asking the wrong person. Wiz (currently banned) is the draft expert.
- riozzo


In Bob McKenzie and only Bob McKenzie do I trust. His List created with Elite Scouts.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 23 @ 3:56 PM ET
In Bob McKenzie and only Bob McKenzie do I trust. His List created with Elite Scouts.
- Z3Hawk


Bob very good, Elite - great. Wiz will answer questions on this page (when not banned for dumb reasons).
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 23 @ 5:14 PM ET
But at least some of the Rockfishers will have at least some role in Chicago - some/most/all of Kamph, Hayden, Forsling, maybe Ejdsell, maybe Martinsen - nice for them to get some "pressure hockey" at the pro level.
- StLBravesFan


But do we trust Bowman and his scouts to pull a rabbit out of a hat with later round picks. Is there "a catch" to snatch away from everyone else like Dwight Clark was for the 49ers.

Two highly anticipated draft choices, one as far as Bears football and one we are keeping tabs on with the Blackhawks.

A lot may be ascertained about the future success of both teams based on their draft acumen.

No, Scott Foster is not the NHL comparison to the next Dwight Clark of the NFL storyline "the catch." We do have some young guns in an arsenal that needs upgrades. We would very much to draft a gunslinger as in someone who would be as good as a Joe Montana.

I wish we could just let prospects play and develop but there needs to be better coaching and less pressure if mistakes are made.

Alas harken to the days when a teams just said to a top prospect, go out and play. Don't overly press or push for a position you are not ready for. Like Forsling. Like when Lou Brock arrival in St L





Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Apr 23 @ 5:22 PM ET
Wiz got banned? really? WOW.

yeah, the Rockford stuff doesn't do much for me. Are any of these guys going to be difference makers for this team? Not sure, odds are probably not, and if the succeed the fear is Bowman feels he has LEGIT answers down on the farm to fix what ails his varsity team.

Getting back to Panarin.....If you go back and check his stats vs STL and Nash he was right there with the wonder twins for production....so the knock on how "he didnt' anything in the playoffs"" isn't valid.

As far as the Kane hate goes, I dont' know what to say. Best player in this organization since Roenick.

- SteveRain

When I think of any club's farm team, I generally categorize that team's player as one of the following:

1) Legit prospects who have the potential to not only earn a spot in the NHL but be able to stick year in and year out as an everyday player.

2) Prospects who may have enough to earn call-ups here and there to fill in for injuries, suspensions, etc. but likely will be back on the farm once the player they are subbing in for is able to return.

3) Prospects who are great AHL players and will likely be career minor leaguers but are experienced enough to bring a winning attitude and work ethic to a farm team.

For #3, I believe that is what Justin is referring to when he talked about adding Clendening and DiDomineco back into the fold: both are really good AHL players but probably not anything more than that yet they know how to compete and win at that level at least.

Then you have guys like Bouma and Franson who have NHL experience but bring great leadership and veteran leadership to a Rockford club that has a bunch of rookies and sophomores not to mention a head coach in his first year coaching in North America.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Apr 23 @ 5:25 PM ET
Fox,

Great post! I have lived here in Dallas for a year and a half and while never being a fan of Roussel, he has attributes that would help this club quite a bit. But he just cant be relied upon to consistently play hockey the right way. It would be like a Carcillo o Tootoo experiment which we didnt see many dividends from. Beagle and Wingels would be fantastic bottom 6 signings!

- nickmo2699

Thanks for the insight on what you've observed in Roussel given your perch in living in Dallas. My take on him is based on his general reputation plus the fact that he is noticeable and makes an impact in virtually every game the Hawks play versus the Stars (even when he's not agitating and being a big pest, he seems to generate offense whenever he plays Chicago). If consistency is a concern, then yes it would be best to be cautious about adding him as a free agent signee.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Apr 23 @ 5:30 PM ET
Love these after the elimination stories: Sean Couturier Reveals He Played with Torn MCL After Hat Trick vs. Penguins
Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wherever I leave my hat
Joined: 07.26.2006

Apr 23 @ 5:56 PM ET
Bob very good, Elite - great. Wiz will answer questions on this page (when not banned for dumb reasons).
- riozzo


Will miss his commentary on the draft this year.

Those wondering, here is his mock draft and info on each player:

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2018/

#freethewiz
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Apr 23 @ 6:08 PM ET
The Ducks aren't renewing Trent Yawney's contract. I know it's a long shot but it would be nice to see him come home and work with the Hawks young defensemen.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 23 @ 6:17 PM ET
When I think of any club's farm team, I generally categorize that team's player as one of the following:

1) Legit prospects who have the potential to not only earn a spot in the NHL but be able to stick year in and year out as an everyday player.

2) Prospects who may have enough to earn call-ups here and there to fill in for injuries, suspensions, etc. but likely will be back on the farm once the player they are subbing in for is able to return.

3) Prospects who are great AHL players and will likely be career minor leaguers but are experienced enough to bring a winning attitude and work ethic to a farm team.

For #3, I believe that is what Justin is referring to when he talked about adding Clendening and DiDomineco back into the fold: both are really good AHL players but probably not anything more than that yet they know how to compete and win at that level at least.

Then you have guys like Bouma and Franson who have NHL experience but bring great leadership and veteran leadership to a Rockford club that has a bunch of rookies and sophomores not to mention a head coach in his first year coaching in North America.

- AEL_Fox


Absolutely important to have those experienced guys and the veteran presence in the AHL just like in the NHL. The youngsters have to learn from someone and it isn't just the on ice skills, but the little things, the leadership qualities, how to be a professional. Great bonus if they can have success and win at the AHL level. It adds to the confidence of the up and coming guys.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Apr 23 @ 6:17 PM ET
But do we trust Bowman and his scouts to pull a rabbit out of a hat with later round picks. Is there "a catch" to snatch away from everyone else like Dwight Clark was for the 49ers.

Two highly anticipated draft choices, one as far as Bears football and one we are keeping tabs on with the Blackhawks.

A lot may be ascertained about the future success of both teams based on their draft acumen.

No, Scott Foster is not the NHL comparison to the next Dwight Clark of the NFL storyline "the catch." We do have some young guns in an arsenal that needs upgrades. We would very much to draft a gunslinger as in someone who would be as good as a Joe Montana.

I wish we could just let prospects play and develop but there needs to be better coaching and less pressure if mistakes are made.

Alas harken to the days when a teams just said to a top prospect, go out and play. Don't overly press or push for a position you are not ready for. Like Forsling. Like when Lou Brock arrival in St L

Merkley






- jhawk59

Budi1782
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 08.06.2013

Apr 23 @ 6:20 PM ET
Wonder how Tyler Sikura is on draws?


I was at Game 1 at All-State Arena. I was watching with my father and at the end of the 2nd period I happened to glance at the scoreboard with stats.

It read for faceoff wins - Icehogs - 3, Wolves - 20. No, that is not a typo.

Clearly this is an organizational problem. You can't have basically you're entire NHL and AHL center depth outside of Toews be consistently below 45% at the faceoff dot.

I love Yanic Perreault, but it might be time to get someone else in to coach these guys on draws.

Budi1782
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 08.06.2013

Apr 23 @ 6:21 PM ET
The Ducks aren't renewing Trent Yawney's contract. I know it's a long shot but it would be nice to see him come home and work with the Hawks young defensemen.
- DarthKane


I would second this for sure. Problem is I doubt Q would let Yawney into his inner circle of coaches. But, at least cast a liner to see maybe if we could get him as a developmental coach (one not behind the bench) or maybe an assistant at Rockford.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 23 @ 6:29 PM ET
I was at Game 1 at All-State Arena. I was watching with my father and at the end of the 2nd period I happened to glance at the scoreboard with stats.

It read for faceoff wins - Icehogs - 3, Wolves - 20. No, that is not a typo.

Clearly this is an organizational problem. You can't have basically you're entire NHL and AHL center depth outside of Toews be consistently below 45% at the faceoff dot.

I love Yanic Perreault, but it might be time to get someone else in to coach these guys on draws.

- Budi1782


I would be curious to see if anyone has done an in-depth analysis of some of the ways the Hawks lose draws. On the whole as a team, they were 49.3% (with Toews taking the heavy load on # of draws) but the gap between them and the top of the NHL is ~5%, which I believe is about 3 more won draws over the course of a game. I'd be willing to bet that if the wingers were more physical and engaged to battle for the puck that would close that gap and the faceoff numbers would be stronger. It is no secret that the Hawks lack size up front and I think it shows on some of those 50-50 pucks where the C needs help.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Apr 23 @ 6:42 PM ET

I was at Game 1 at All-State Arena. I was watching with my father and at the end of the 2nd period I happened to glance at the scoreboard with stats.

It read for faceoff wins - Icehogs - 3, Wolves - 20. No, that is not a typo.

Clearly this is an organizational problem. You can't have basically you're entire NHL and AHL center depth outside of Toews be consistently below 45% at the faceoff dot.

I love Yanic Perreault, but it might be time to get someone else in to coach these guys on draws.

- Budi1782

Thanks for the observation on Hogs faceoff ineptitude. I have thought the same thing for a while about Perreault: with the faceoff futility of the Hawks, I wonder if it's time to get a new faceoff coach. He doesn't seem to be helping much.

Different sport, but I think the same thing about Don Cooper as the White Sox pitching coach.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Apr 23 @ 6:45 PM ET
There seems be a swinging pendulum when it comes to Hawks’ prospects. For a period we may have been guilty of over-valuing them or some of them but now we seem to be under-valuing them. The run that Rockford has gone on at season’s end and into the play-offs indicates there must be some talent there. I understand that certain veterans are also playing ahead of certain young players but there are also many young players playing very well. Additionally, there are young players who were thought at the top of the prospect list who are sitting out in favour of other young players. Seems like an overall healthy situation especially with other young players at the World Championships.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 23 @ 6:49 PM ET
Reports from Russia state that Slava Voynov wants to come back to the NHL next year. He would instantly be the Hawks #1 Dman, but would you sign him given his issues in the past?
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Apr 23 @ 7:11 PM ET
Reports from Russia state that Slava Voynov wants to come back to the NHL next year. He would instantly be the Hawks #1 Dman, but would you sign him given his issues in the past?
- EnzoD

No chance McD and the front office gamble on him, and rightfully so.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 23 @ 7:21 PM ET
Reports from Russia state that Slava Voynov wants to come back to the NHL next year. He would instantly be the Hawks #1 Dman, but would you sign him given his issues in the past?
- EnzoD


yes of course comes with baggage I agree also about signing Rousell and resign wingles if he wants to come back along with martinsin and Samuelsson the hawks have size and grit.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 23 @ 7:23 PM ET
The Ducks aren't renewing Trent Yawney's contract. I know it's a long shot but it would be nice to see him come home and work with the Hawks young defensemen.
- DarthKane


Seabs and Keith better be talking to Stan and McD to get him back in this organization, just to keep him away from Minny or the Peg!
dpard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: My preferred gender pronoun is "Corn Pop"
Joined: 04.18.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:31 PM ET
Reports from Russia state that Slava Voynov wants to come back to the NHL next year. He would instantly be the Hawks #1 Dman, but would you sign him given his issues in the past?
- EnzoD

So Kane is bad for the brand according to tsj, but you ask whether to bring in a convicted wife beater? Really? SAD!!!
That would be denial of the type of organization the Hawks want to present.
See what I did there
ShamRockShark
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.13.2015

Apr 23 @ 8:01 PM ET
Tinfoil hat time. Maybe Yanic Perreault was really the and only ...,.... MexicoHawk. Oh those were the days
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 23 @ 8:02 PM ET
So Kane is bad for the brand according to tsj, but you ask whether to bring in a convicted wife beater? Really? SAD!!!
That would be denial of the type of organization the Hawks want to present.
See what I did there

- dpard

I did not that was the allegation on second thought no don't a piece of sh*t like that on the hawks let alone in the NHL
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 23 @ 8:11 PM ET
Reports from Russia state that Slava Voynov wants to come back to the NHL next year. He would instantly be the Hawks #1 Dman, but would you sign him given his issues in the past?
- EnzoD


Not a chance. He is a #2 at best in the NHL but probably a #3 dman on a contending team. Add in the fact that he would likely be hated by half the team instantly because of the domestic violence issue and he would be a cancer to the team. These guys are role models to the youth around the world and need to be held to a higher standard. He shouldn't play in the NHL again.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 23 @ 8:11 PM ET
I would be curious to see if anyone has done an in-depth analysis of some of the ways the Hawks lose draws. On the whole as a team, they were 49.3% (with Toews taking the heavy load on # of draws) but the gap between them and the top of the NHL is ~5%, which I believe is about 3 more won draws over the course of a game. I'd be willing to bet that if the wingers were more physical and engaged to battle for the puck that would close that gap and the faceoff numbers would be stronger. It is no secret that the Hawks lack size up front and I think it shows on some of those 50-50 pucks where the C needs help.
- breadbag


You have a good point

I wonder how face off failure might cost Rockford
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM ET
In Bob McKenzie and only Bob McKenzie do I trust. His List created with Elite Scouts.
- Z3Hawk

Wiz had more correct first round each year.
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