I don't think he has anything against him. He's pointing out that this fan base is over valuing Kane's place in the league during his career
- GPHawksfan

Well GP Kane Top 100 OAT - works for me.

You suggest that a player of Kane’s stature doesn’t want an “A” and you accuse me - please. Also what possible locker-rooms are you talking about where being a team Captain or Assistant Captain is not important? I’m saying there are exactly zero such locker-rooms. The “A” was so important that Kane turned it over to Sharp to wear proudly on his jersey during his swansong. Also for further evidence of Kane as a Leader review Sharp’s comments - about the “A” and about Kane’s locker-room speech. Let’s move on now breadbag.
- Z3Hawk

I didn't say he didn't want it. I said you don't know if he does. Not every guy wants that letter on their jersey. Is that a crime? You just provided an example where differed to Sharp. Being a leader in the room and on the team is more that having a letter on your shirt. I'm not saying Kane isn't a leader to the guys, I just don't see how you can claim he is the clear leader of the team. You really don't know unless you are on the team or in the room with him.

When you made the original comment, you assumed Kane was the clear #1 leader of the group and that he would want to wear the A and/or the C. I honestly think if he wanted the A on his shirt, he'd have it, but I don't know. I don't think any of us really do.

I'll take it a step further. If someone asked the hockey world, who is the absolute best player in the last 10 years, I don't think Kane would get the most votes or more than Crosby or even Ovechkin.
- breadbag

Well seeing as over the last 10yrs Kane is 3rd in points behind them, they'd be right.

And Kane is 5th in ppg over that span. Which one of those stats - over that long of a time/essentially his career - doesn't say generational?

He may not be "the best" or number 1, but being undersized and top 3 in that category - without having another MVP/scoring champ that Crosby has - puts him in the conversation at least

I don't think he has anything against him. He's pointing out that this fan base is over valuing Kane's place in the league during his career
- GPHawksfan

So top 3 in pts...hes "over valued"?

And Crosby and Malkin have played together at times 5 in 5 but most often ion the PP

And you don't think that teams try to mach up vs Malkin and Sid gets an easier matchup? Or vice versa?

Where as teams know all they have to do is attempt to shut down Kane/who ever is on Kane's line

Both Kane and Toews in NHL Top 100 Players Of All-Time. I’ll take that.
- Z3Hawk

Does anyone have any updates on the hawks prospects in Europe and if any would be coming over next season training camp? Was draftsite mock 2018 nhl and has hawks drafting Ty Dellandrea any insight on him other than him being a center?

Well seeing as over the last 10yrs Kane is 3rd in points behind them, they'd be right.

And Kane is 5th in ppg over that span. Which one of those stats - over that long of a time/essentially his career - doesn't say generational?

He may not be "the best" or number 1, but being undersized and top 3 in that category - without having another MVP/scoring champ that Crosby has - puts him in the conversation at least
- PatShart

That is the thing, the generational talent is that guy who is the best. Crosby was pretty much the top guy. McDavid is taking that over. Missed half his rookie season due to the broken collarbone, but was well over a point per game, and followed that up with back to back scoring titles. He is well on his way to being the best player of this generation.

Don’t attack the Messenger. I wasn’t saying Eichel was “generational” but loads of “hockey experts” were. They were also saying there would’ve been 3 “generational” players in that Draft if Mathews hadn’t missed qualifying for that Draft by days. Same talk next year when he was eligible.

Again not my Words not my Rules. The word “generational” is used too easily. Is Dahlin “generational”? - certainly not yet. Swedish hockey is much different than NHL hockey. Nobody can be 100% certain how his skill set will transfer - in spite of this he is being described as a “generational” talent. The use of this word should simply stop.
- Z3Hawk

To me, the term “generational” means the play has such singular and elite talent that a player like him comes along once in a generation. To imply that there could be two or possibly three “generational” players in a single draft seems to negate the singularness of the players and relegated them to just being two or three really, really good players but not generational.

Svechnikov is interchangeable with Zadina. Zadina excites me the most out of all the top guys.
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- ObeseOprah

Zadina might better help Chicago sooner based on the things he can and does do in the scouting report. I just question if Tzachuk type - who has more nasty and is immoveable - is what we need first. We need more push back, more grit and we need probably two of them. And the sooner Toews looses more to his game, the sooner this franchise brings in a younger player and we start turning things around. Toews is just third line because he either has some erosion of talent or cannot be counted upon to compete physically in scrums, along boards in puck battles.etc al.

That is the thing, the generational talent is that guy who is the best. Crosby was pretty much the top guy. McDavid is taking that over. Missed half his rookie season due to the broken collarbone, but was well over a point per game, and followed that up with back to back scoring titles. He is well on his way to being the best player of this generation.
- breadbag

So then, in your opinion, Cosby and McDavid are the only "generational" players. McDavid based on 3 years.

To me, the term “generational” means the play has such singular and elite talent that a player like him comes along once in a generation. To imply that there could be two or possibly three “generational” players in a single draft seems to negate the singularness of the players and relegated them to just being two or three really, really good players but not generational.
- Spec41971

This

So then, in your opinion, Cosby and McDavid are the only "generational" players. McDavid based on 3 years.
- PatShart

I'm saying McDavid and Crosby are on a higher level talent wise. Crosby has been the best player of his generation but can't expect he will improve anymore, he is 30 now. McDavid is off to a hell of start.

1) Most points per game since he joined the NHL, even in his rookie season, he was on pace for top 3 in points in the entire league.
2) Back to back scoring titles this season and last.

The kid hasn't hit his prime and when you watch him play, there is nobody harder to contain because of that speed. There is a good chance McDavid wins more scoring titles in the next 5-10 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a handful. That is pretty special IMO.

I didn't say he didn't want it. I said you don't know if he does. Not every guy wants that letter on their jersey. Is that a crime? You just provided an example where differed to Sharp. Being a leader in the room and on the team is more that having a letter on your shirt. I'm not saying Kane isn't a leader to the guys, I just don't see how you can claim he is the clear leader of the team. You really don't know unless you are on the team or in the room with him.

When you made the original comment, you assumed Kane was the clear #1 leader of the group and that he would want to wear the A and/or the C. I honestly think if he wanted the A on his shirt, he'd have it, but I don't know. I don't think any of us really do.
- breadbag

It is akin to saying someone wouldn’t want to win the lottery or wouldn’t want a great marriage. It is fair and reasonable to assume that someone would actually want those type of positive things - same for getting an “A”. There is additional evidence that Kane would proudly wear an “A” because he already has many times.

The Hawks have had a tradition for a while now of a “C” and two “A”s. Sharp left Seebs got his “A”. Recently, when a captained player has been out Kane proudly is first in line to a take a “A” and always takes it. To show where Kane stands on the Leadership List Kane would take the 3rd “A” ahead of Hossa. If two captained players were out Hossa would take the 4th “A”. Kane, after his career to date, deserves to wear the 3rd “A” permanently on his jersey. Other teams have more than two “A”s depending on the circumstances.

Does anyone have any updates on the hawks prospects in Europe and if any would be coming over next season training camp? Was draftsite mock 2018 nhl and has hawks drafting Ty Dellandrea any insight on him other than him being a center?
- Scott1977

We are near the organizational contract limit of 50. But tinkering between now and next fall certainly will occur. Bowman has brought three dmen into the fold. Possibly Jokiharju will play one year in Europe, Sweden for development. I do not think more than one additional contract for defense where Rockford assignment. Maybe not even one more. See who they draft

Among forwards Bowman has M From here. The russian who played AHL and has progressed in KHL....i say he develops one more year over there. The timing is still not quite right for him or Chicago. Lastly, Soderlund excites, intrigues but i dk his contract status in Sweden. With Ejdsell at Rockford perhaps they want Soderlund to remain one more year in Sweden.

There is definetly a numbers game. The next guy coming over besides Soderlund is the forward Dahlstrom or Bowman may really like Carlsson.

I'm saying McDavid and Crosby are on a higher level talent wise. Crosby has been the best player of his generation but can't expect he will improve anymore, he is 30 now. McDavid is off to a hell of start.

1) Most points per game since he joined the NHL, even in his rookie season, he was on pace for top 3 in points in the entire league.
2) Back to back scoring titles this season and last.

The kid hasn't hit his prime and when you watch him play, there is nobody harder to contain because of that speed. There is a good chance McDavid wins more scoring titles in the next 5-10 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a handful. That is pretty special IMO.
- breadbag

If your opinion is, there can be only 1 then I understand why you say it's Crosby and then will be McDavid as the best player in the league can be the only "generational" type player

In my opinion, Crosby played the best all around game. Generational

McDavid has the ability to play the game at an incredible speed. MacKinnon may be close. Their speed with skill is generational

Ovechkin, Stamkos and Laine are all generational type player in goal scoring.

And not many if any, see the ice and pass the puck the way Kane does. He makes 4 the other players on the ice dangerous every time the puck is on his stick and that ability, is generational. Otherwise more players would have that consistent ability like he does

I'm saying McDavid and Crosby are on a higher level talent wise. Crosby has been the best player of his generation but can't expect he will improve anymore, he is 30 now. McDavid is off to a hell of start.

1) Most points per game since he joined the NHL, even in his rookie season, he was on pace for top 3 in points in the entire league.
2) Back to back scoring titles this season and last.

The kid hasn't hit his prime and when you watch him play, there is nobody harder to contain because of that speed. There is a good chance McDavid wins more scoring titles in the next 5-10 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a handful. That is pretty special IMO.
- breadbag

McDavid is a floater so far in his career. He only fattened up statistically this year after the Oilers’ games became meaningless. When the games were meaningful he was nothing special. Look it up - the difference is staggering. So the vast majority of his points were scored in meaningless, no pressure games. Why is that great? He has won exactly nothing. Kane scored the OT Cup game-winner against Philly when he was 21. If McDavid wishes to see the Cup in the foreseeable future he gotta go to the Hall.

Other players naturally decline if they are playing meaningless games. Not Micky D. He also plays fat minutes at the end of games in blow-outs either way. Also teams are adapting to his speed on his rushes - laying back not getting caught flat-footed. I watch lots of Edmonton games - the hype surrounding him is simply nauseating.

However, make no mistake I believe McDavid is talented. However, until he shows he can actually win something and actually excels when it counts he hasn’t really proven anything.

It is akin to saying someone wouldn’t want to win the lottery or wouldn’t want a great marriage. It is fair and reasonable to assume that someone would actually want those type of positive things - same for getting an “A”. There is additional evidence that Kane would proudly wear an “A” because he already has many times.

The Hawks have had a tradition for a while now of a “C” and two “A”s. Sharp left Seebs got his “A”. Recently, when a captained player has been out Kane proudly is first in line to a take a “A” and always takes it. To show where Kane stands on the Leadership List Kane would take the 3rd “A” ahead of Hossa. If two captained players were out Hossa would take the 4th “A”. Kane, after his career to date, deserves to wear the 3rd “A” permanently on his jersey. Other teams have more than two “A”s depending on the circumstances.
- Z3Hawk

I believe some teams have 4 A's with 2 for home games and another 2 for road games. Could be wrong, but teams that have 3 or more A's tend to be the ones who don't have a C.

We are near the organizational contract limit of 50. But tinkering between now and next fall certainly will occur. Bowman has brought three dmen into the fold. Possibly Jokiharju will play one year in Europe, Sweden for development. I do not think more than one additional contract for defense where Rockford assignment. Maybe not even one more. See who they draft

Among forwards Bowman has M From here. The russian who played AHL and has progressed in KHL....i say he develops one more year over there. The timing is still not quite right for him or Chicago. Lastly, Soderlund excites, intrigues but i dk his contract status in Sweden. With Ejdsell at Rockford perhaps they want Soderlund to remain one more year in Sweden.

There is definetly a numbers game. The next guy coming over besides Soderlund is the forward Dahlstrom or Bowman may really like Carlsson.
- jhawk59

Jokiharju, Carlsson, and Soderlund are my guess (and in that order) as to any European prospects who would sign this spring or summer to start development in North America, but good point about the contract and roster limits being factors to consider.

So top 3 in pts...hes "over valued"?

And Crosby and Malkin have played together at times 5 in 5 but most often ion the PP

And you don't think that teams try to mach up vs Malkin and Sid gets an easier matchup? Or vice versa?

Where as teams know all they have to do is attempt to shut down Kane/who ever is on Kane's line
- PatShart

Now that Kane doesn't have the team around him that he used to look what happened to his production. He's good but he isn't as good as others in this league.

McDavid is a floater so far in his career. He only fattened up statistically this year after the Oilers’ games became meaningless. When the games were meaningful he was nothing special. Look it up - the difference is staggering. So the vast majority of his points were scored in meaningless, no pressure games. Why is that great? He has won exactly nothing. Kane scored the OT Cup game-winner against Philly when he was 21. If McDavid wishes to see the Cup in the foreseeable future he gotta go to the Hall.

Other players naturally decline if they are playing meaningless games. Not Micky D. He also plays fat minutes at the end of games in blow-outs either way. Also teams are adapting to his speed on his rushes - laying back not getting caught flat-footed. I watch lots of Edmonton games - the hype surrounding him is simply nauseating.

However, make no mistake I believe McDavid is talented. However, until he shows he can actually win something and actually excels when it counts he hasn’t really proven anything.
- Z3Hawk

If you put McDavid with the hawks championship teams they likely still win it. If you put ka e on the oilers now they don't win poop. Kane didn't win those cups by himself and McDavid isn't the reason the oilers are not good now.

If you put McDavid with the hawks championship teams they likely still win it. If you put ka e on the oilers now they don't win poop. Kane didn't win those cups by himself and McDavid isn't the reason the oilers are not good now.
- GPHawksfan

This is the worst argument.

Prove it to be a fact that they win with McDavid.

This is the worst argument.

Prove it to be a fact that they win with McDavid.
- PatShart

Jesus christ. He's a better player. How about that? What does Kane do better than McDavid? Nothing. Neither play any defense at all.

Jesus christ. He's a better player. How about that? What does Kane do better than McDavid? Nothing. Neither play any defense at all.
- GPHawksfan

Kane wins more than McDavid. Kanes been the best playoff performer in the league - goals, points, GWG

Kane wins more than McDavid. Kanes been the best playoff performer in the league - goals, points, GWG
- PatShart

Not true at all. Kane hasn't been the best at anything his whole career. My mistake. He won the art ross once and the conn Smythe that he didnt deserve

Not true at all. Kane hasn't been the best at anything his whole career. My mistake. He won the art ross once and the conn Smythe that he didnt deserve
- GPHawksfan

And the Calder. And the Hart. And 3 cups. Or were those undeserved?

I know, McDavid would have way more if if if...