Re#1 - Simply watch what Kane does. Always will take the heat after a loss. Always available even in the tough times. Keith and Seabrook don’t take the heat as a rule. Keith rarely takes. Kane takes more than the Captain. This is not an easy thing. Stays in Chicago - works out with young players. Toews in Machu Picchu.

Re#2 - Yes please don’t give me an “A” - really?

Re#3 - Few suggest or nobody at all suggests Kane is not setting an example by how hard he trains, how hard he plays or how hard he tries to help younger players - and he does this while not wearing an “A” or a “C”. Toews has become a scatterbrain.
- Z3Hawk

I would say I've seen Toews taking plenty of heat after the losses, he is very often front and center first one talking to the reporters or the one who is often in the clips being published.

And yes, you don't know if Kane turned down having an "A" on his shirt. Not everyone wants to deal with the duties that go with it. The letter on the shirt isn't a big deal when it comes to the locker room.

Nothing personally to you, but there is a ton that is just assumptions and perception that don't have a basis in fact. Fans get something in their mind and all of a sudden it is the truth. I'm not saying Kane isn't a leader or that he doesn't set a good example, but I think we as fans outside the locker room and organization don't see the whole picture or even half the picture.

GP I actually completely agree with what you are saying regarding the word. The problem with truly using “generational” properly is the list is very, very short. A “Generation” is actually a very long period of time. So if you say “Orr” are you done for a “generation”? “Gretsky” similar thing? That overlooks lots of great players. Now “generational” doesn’t even mean a decade.
- Z3Hawk

That is the thing...now days they are throwing that term around way to easily. Kane isn't the top of the top and isn't a generational talent, but he is still a very good offensive player. He isn't in the same class as McDavid or Crosby, but he is right at that next level.

That is the thing...now days they are throwing that term around way to easily. Kane isn't the top of the top and isn't a generational talent, but he is still a very good offensive player. He isn't in the same class as McDavid or Crosby, but he is right at that next level.
- breadbag

Kane has more points than any player over the last 3yrs.

Only Crosby has more if you go the past 5 (Sid has 47 more points the last 5yrs while playing 18 more games.)

1st American to lead the NHL in scoring ever and may go down as the best American ever to play the game.

If he isn't "generational", i dont know what is then

When you say "Toews on his own"...and then mention the Canadian Olympic team. Have you seen that roster?

Toews has never been "on his own". His success has always only been on teams packed with stars around him and based on his linemates

Kane has had Bolland, Handzus Richards, Shaw, etc as his centers.

Toews isn't in the same category as Kane.

Hossa is the best defensive forward of the 3
Hossa is the better goal scorer of the 3
Kane is head above shoulders better passer of the 3 and best point producer of the 3

The only category Toews compares with Kane is 3 cups and salary cap hit.

Toews will be considered a superstar, IMO, when he does more than win face offs and complains to refs

Can he hit 70pts again? Even better, maybe 2yrs in a row? I mean, that's only top 30 in scoring he can't even get to...but he's in the same category as Kane?

Braden Schenn, Josh Bailey, Vincent Trochek all scored 70+ pts...but I'm to believe Toews is a superstar when he hasn't cracked 60 in 3 seasons
- PatShart

Kane in some regards was never in the same class as Toews either. You are comparing two guys who are not the same. You wouldn't get the same results out of Kane either if you put him playing center and trying to kill penalties. Why even try to compare the two when they have clearly different value? They compliment each other.

Everyone can't seem to fathom why they got the same contract. They are the two faces of the team (especially at the time) and both were huge playoff performers, both scoring huge goals and lead the team to winning cups. You can't argue with the game winning goals and big points they both put up (check the actual numbers).

Neither Kane or Toews should be satisfied with their performance this season. Nothing very impressive for either of them.

Kane in some regards was never in the same class as Toews either. You are comparing two guys who are not the same. You wouldn't get the same results out of Kane either if you put him playing center and trying to kill penalties. Why even try to compare the two when they have clearly different value? They compliment each other.

Everyone can't seem to fathom why they got the same contract. They are the two faces of the team (especially at the time) and both were huge playoff performers, both scoring huge goals and lead the team to winning cups. You can't argue with the game winning goals and big points they both put up (check the actual numbers).

Neither Kane or Toews should be satisfied with their performance this season. Nothing very impressive for either of them.
- breadbag

You are right, Kane isn't in Toews class. Kane is in the superstar class with Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid conversation while Toews doesn't belong in there.

And I'm sure neither is happy with this or last year's result. The difference is, Kane continues to work and improve his game in the off season while Toews just works in his diet and environment aspirations versus improving his game. He peaked at 26 and has been in decline since

Kane has more points than any player over the last 3yrs.

Only Crosby has more if you go the past 5 (Sid has 47 more points the last 5yrs while playing 18 more games.)

1st American to lead the NHL in scoring ever and may go down as the best American ever to play the game.

If he isn't "generational", i dont know what is then
- PatShart

I don't think generational talent means the best player of a 3 year span. And how did Kane do without Panarin? After those first couple games where the Hawks ran the score against Pittsburgh and and Columbus gassed on back to backs? I mean, let's not kid ourselves, the Hawks got off to a lucky start against two tired teams, but when the going got tough, there weren't many bright spots. Kane had 70 points in 80 games in that span for 31st best in the league. All while he played some rather iffy defense.

I get it, this is a Hawks blog and Kane is a great player, but he isn't at Crosby or McDavid level of dominance. You put someone like Panarin with either of those two instead of Kane and Kane wouldn't be winning a Hart trophy in 2016.

You are right, Kane isn't in Toews class. Kane is in the superstar class with Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid conversation while Toews doesn't belong in there.

And I'm sure neither is happy with this or last year's result. The difference is, Kane continues to work and improve his game in the off season while Toews just works in his diet and environment aspirations versus improving his game. He peaked at 26 and has been in decline since
- PatShart

Right, only Kane works hard...what was I thinking.

I don't think generational talent means the best player of a 3 year span. And how did Kane do without Panarin? After those first couple games where the Hawks ran the score against Pittsburgh and and Columbus gassed on back to backs? I mean, let's not kid ourselves, the Hawks got off to a lucky start against two tired teams, but when the going got tough, there weren't many bright spots. Kane had 70 points in 80 games in that span for 31st best in the league. All while he played some rather iffy defense.

I get it, this is a Hawks blog and Kane is a great player, but he isn't at Crosby or McDavid level of dominance. You put someone like Panarin with either of those two instead of Kane and Kane wouldn't be winning a Hart trophy in 2016.
- breadbag

Kane was a top producer prior to Panarin, in case you forgot. Was leading the league in scoring prior to breaking his collarbone. And ibgave the last 5yr window where only 1 player outscored him, Crosby. Explain how is that not "dominance"?

You are right, Kane isn't in Toews class. Kane is in the superstar class with Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid conversation while Toews doesn't belong in there.

And I'm sure neither is happy with this or last year's result. The difference is, Kane continues to work and improve his game in the off season while Toews just works in his diet and environment aspirations versus improving his game. He peaked at 26 and has been in decline since
- PatShart

No he isn't . He's more like the Sedin class

Kane was a top producer prior to Panarin, in case you forgot. Was leading the league in scoring prior to breaking his collarbone. And ibgave the last 5yr window where only 1 player outscored him, Crosby. Explain how is that not "dominance"?
- PatShart

I know Kane was having a nice season, but he still was eclipsed by Crobsy that season who had a higher points per game and Kane was tied for 4th in points per game with Taveres.

How many seasons did Kane league the league in scoring in his generation?

2008 - he finished tied 28th
2009 - 39th
2010 - 9th
2011 - 15th
2012 - 33th
2013 - 5th
2014 - 19th
2015 - 29th
2016 - 1st
2017 - 2nd
2018 - 26th

Kane is a great player, around a point per game but he only got to that next level when Panarin rode on his wing. That one year he won the scoring title scoring 1.29 points per game....Crosby has average 1.27 points per game during Kane's entire career, while playing a much more difficult position and with some rather lackluster wingers at times.

McDavid is only 21 and has already scored more points per game than anyone else since he arrived on the scene and without much help, he just skates through the other team.

I don't hate Kane, but guys around here put him a little too high on a pedestal and look at him with rose colored glasses.

So if this minny rebuild is going to work getting a top 2 pick in the draft would be a huge start. I think most would agree that 1-2 in the draft are pretty set. Dahlin Schnekov. So what would you say if you could either have #7 or 50% shot at either 3 or 10 but nothing in the middle. Zadina, Thackuck, Borquist Borhcard Hughes and walstrom seem like they might be pretty interchangeable at this point. Hughes and borquist are small, Borchard and thakuck are avg skaters. Zadina and walstrom are shooters but not that creative.

I'm praying for a top 2!

So if this minny rebuild is going to work getting a top 2 pick in the draft would be a huge start. I think most would agree that 1-2 in the draft are pretty set. Dahlin Schnekov. So what would you say if you could either have #7 or 50% shot at either 3 or 10 but nothing in the middle. Zadina, Thackuck, Borquist Borhcard Hughes and walstrom seem like they might be pretty interchangeable at this point. Hughes and borquist are small, Borchard and thakuck are avg skaters. Zadina and walstrom are shooters but not that creative.

I'm praying for a top 2!
- kmw4631

Svechnikov is interchangeable with Zadina. Zadina excites me the most out of all the top guys.
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I know Kane was having a nice season, but he still was eclipsed by Crobsy that season who had a higher points per game and Kane was tied for 4th in points per game with Taveres.

How many seasons did Kane league the league in scoring in his generation?

2008 - he finished tied 28th
2009 - 39th
2010 - 9th
2011 - 15th
2012 - 33th
2013 - 5th
2014 - 19th
2015 - 29th
2016 - 1st
2017 - 2nd
2018 - 26th

Kane is a great player, around a point per game but he only got to that next level when Panarin rode on his wing. That one year he won the scoring title scoring 1.29 points per game....Crosby has average 1.27 points per game during Kane's entire career, while playing a much more difficult position and with some rather lackluster wingers at times.

McDavid is only 21 and has already scored more points per game than anyone else since he arrived on the scene and without much help, he just skates through the other team.

I don't hate Kane, but guys around here put him a little too high on a pedestal and look at him with rose colored glasses.
- breadbag

So Crosby has lackluster wingers. Who has Kane played with? How many 2x Art Ross trophy and 1x MVP has Kane played with? Sid has had that riding shotgun for the last 10+ years.

And while Kane "only" cracked the top 10 his first 6yrs, he did that between 18-24yrs old. He didn't wait until he hit 24 to come into the league. He had 424pts in his first 446gms at that age.

No doubt McDavid is on his way to the top player in the league and was a joke he didn't win the Calder. But Kane is an elite-generational player, sorry.

And, in case you weren't aware, Kane was a point per game player prior to the amazing Artemi Panarin

I'm certain if Kane just cared about racking up points or had some bonus clause - he'd easily rack up more points.

However, he's played with lesser players, making them more productive - and the team - versus racking up individual points

A lot of good points!

Breadbag, tough to not put Kane in the generational category. The guy produces consistently and not only that but has shown measurable improvement in his overall game year after year. Has led the best team in hockey over 7-8 year window every year. I for one and not on the McDavid #1 train. How can anyone put someone over Crosby? McDavid showed his cards taking that contract. Losing doesnt hurt him. He wants to get paid and when the cap catches up then he will worry about winning. Personally, McDavid has a generational skill set, but IDK if he will end up being the generational player Sid and Kaner are. Ovechkin doesnt win and it is counted against him yearly. I forsee the same with McDavid. Harts and Rocket Richard's are nice, but it doesn't make you a winner which Sid and Kaner are!

When you say "Toews on his own"...and then mention the Canadian Olympic team. Have you seen that roster?

Toews has never been "on his own". His success has always only been on teams packed with stars around him and based on his linemates

Kane has had Bolland, Handzus Richards, Shaw, etc as his centers.

Toews isn't in the same category as Kane.

Hossa is the best defensive forward of the 3
Hossa is the better goal scorer of the 3
Kane is head above shoulders better passer of the 3 and best point producer of the 3

The only category Toews compares with Kane is 3 cups and salary cap hit.

Toews will be considered a superstar, IMO, when he does more than win face offs and complains to refs

Can he hit 70pts again? Even better, maybe 2yrs in a row? I mean, that's only top 30 in scoring he can't even get to...but he's in the same category as Kane?

Braden Schenn, Josh Bailey, Vincent Trochek all scored 70+ pts...but I'm to believe Toews is a superstar when he hasn't cracked 60 in 3 seasons
- PatShart

Yes I’m Canadian and very familiar with every Olympic team. My reference was that on that loaded team at that loaded Olympics Toews was voted Best Forward, for the Olympics. Don’t want any more confusion - Best Forward for the entire Olympic Hockey Tournament. Hossa a good player but wasn’t part of Top 100 of the NHL and there was no outcry, not even a peep, that he wasn’t. Toews included, Kane included.

Again I’m not criticizing Hossa but he was not in the same class as Toews or Kane. The NHL voters agree with me. I never compared Toews to Kane - but for the record Kane is the more valuable and should wear an “A”.

Also neither have I defended Toews’ recent performance. However, he was such a force earlier in his career that Crosby spoke to him about the fact that there was a groundswell that Toews should be the Captain of Team Canada, before taking the “C”. You are forgetting how great Toews was. On those Olympic teams struggling players like Nash were purposely put with Toews for Toews to straighten them out. Toews did not excel because of others they excelled because of him.

At the end of the day Kane, Toews and Hossa all wonderful players.

So Crosby has lackluster wingers. Who has Kane played with? How many 2x Art Ross trophy and 1x MVP has Kane played with? Sid has had that riding shotgun for the last 10+ years.

And while Kane "only" cracked the top 10 his first 6yrs, he did that between 18-24yrs old. He didn't wait until he hit 24 to come into the league. He had 424pts in his first 446gms at that age.

No doubt McDavid is on his way to the top player in the league and was a joke he didn't win the Calder. But Kane is an elite-generational player, sorry.
- PatShart

Actually, over the last 5+ seasons Crosby has been lining up with Rust, Sheary, Guentzel, Hornqvist, Kunitz, Perron, Dupius as the primary guys on his line. This isn't like Q putting Kane/Panarin on the ice together every chance he got.

Kane will be in the HOF, but he isn't the best player of his generation.

A lot of good points!

Breadbag, tough to not put Kane in the generational category. The guy produces consistently and not only that but has shown measurable improvement in his overall game year after year. Has led the best team in hockey over 7-8 year window every year. I for one and not on the McDavid #1 train. How can anyone put someone over Crosby? McDavid showed his cards taking that contract. Losing doesnt hurt him. He wants to get paid and when the cap catches up then he will worry about winning. Personally, McDavid has a generational skill set, but IDK if he will end up being the generational player Sid and Kaner are. Ovechkin doesnt win and it is counted against him yearly. I forsee the same with McDavid. Harts and Rocket Richard's are nice, but it doesn't make you a winner which Sid and Kaner are!
- nickmo2699

Kane is a franchise player, but if someone is a generational player, they are pretty much the best of an era or decade. Is Kane the best player the NHL had when you look at a long span? I don't think so. He was on the level of those guys when Panarin was riding on his wing, but he didn't do it consistently and not with the lesser talent some guys (like Crosby) have done for years.

Kane is a franchise player, but if someone is a generational player, they are pretty much the best of an era or decade. Is Kane the best player the NHL had when you look at a long span? I don't think so. He was on the level of those guys when Panarin was riding on his wing, but he didn't do it consistently and not with the lesser talent some guys (like Crosby) have done for years.
- breadbag

Again, he is second in pts over the last 5yrs - half his career. And was a ppg prior from 18-24yrs old.

Crosby has played with Malkin - a 2x scoring champ and MVP. Give me the "more talented guy" Kane has played with for an 11yr span.

Kane is a franchise player, but if someone is a generational player, they are pretty much the best of an era or decade. Is Kane the best player the NHL had when you look at a long span? I don't think so. He was on the level of those guys when Panarin was riding on his wing, but he didn't do it consistently and not with the lesser talent some guys (like Crosby) have done for years.
- breadbag

I'll take it a step further. If someone asked the hockey world, who is the absolute best player in the last 10 years, I don't think Kane would get the most votes or more than Crosby or even Ovechkin.

I would say I've seen Toews taking plenty of heat after the losses, he is very often front and center first one talking to the reporters or the one who is often in the clips being published.

And yes, you don't know if Kane turned down having an "A" on his shirt. Not everyone wants to deal with the duties that go with it. The letter on the shirt isn't a big deal when it comes to the locker room.

Nothing personally to you, but there is a ton that is just assumptions and perception that don't have a basis in fact. Fans get something in their mind and all of a sudden it is the truth. I'm not saying Kane isn't a leader or that he doesn't set a good example, but I think we as fans outside the locker room and organization don't see the whole picture or even half the picture.
- breadbag

You suggest that a player of Kane’s stature doesn’t want an “A” and you accuse me - please. Also what possible locker-rooms are you talking about where being a team Captain or Assistant Captain is not important? I’m saying there are exactly zero such locker-rooms. The “A” was so important that Kane turned it over to Sharp to wear proudly on his jersey during his swansong. Also for further evidence of Kane as a Leader review Sharp’s comments - about the “A” and about Kane’s locker-room speech. Let’s move on now breadbag.

Kane has more points than any player over the last 3yrs.

Only Crosby has more if you go the past 5 (Sid has 47 more points the last 5yrs while playing 18 more games.)

1st American to lead the NHL in scoring ever and may go down as the best American ever to play the game.

If he isn't "generational", i dont know what is then
- PatShart

Touche - not sure what breadbag has against Kane.

Again, he is second in pts over the last 5yrs - half his career. And was a ppg prior from 18-24yrs old.

Crosby has played with Malkin - a 2x scoring champ and MVP. Give me the "more talented guy" Kane has played with for an 11yr span.
- PatShart

They don't play on a line. They are both centers and play together on the power play. Kane is awesome, but isn't generational or In Crosby's or McDavid's league

Touche - not sure what breadbag has against Kane.
- Z3Hawk

I don't think he has anything against him. He's pointing out that this fan base is over valuing Kane's place in the league during his career

I'll take it a step further. If someone asked the hockey world, who is the absolute best player in the last 10 years, I don't think Kane would get the most votes or more than Crosby or even Ovechkin.
- breadbag

Both Kane and Toews in NHL Top 100 Players Of All-Time. I’ll take that.