Get over it, he did not show up last year. This year is a different story. As for the trade, who knows after one season.
- riozzo

Neither did the rest of the team....

The Penguins defense rotation would be preferred for a Hawks team that needs to double down on playing back rather than double down the other way given the greater deficiency on defense.

Gustafsson is a good example of a Hawks defenseman who just doesn't get the "protecting the house" aspect of defense. He seems to play back only if he happens to be there but otherwise will not only join the rush (sometimes being the 2nd guy on the attack if not the puck carrier) but also continue to drift down past the faceoff circles in the offensive zone when he should stay above them if not hanging out as close to the blueline as possible to neutralize breaks the other way.

I don't mind d-men who pinch but only when there's someone covering their post. There's an art to picking spots to joining the attack and the Hawks blueline have not been good at that.

As for the observation on the Vegas forecheck, I love that style as well. Exciting to watch. However, I don't see a Q-coached team getting the green light to play that way.
- AEL_Fox

Ulf’s Reckless Offence Defensive System was ridiculous. Forget about “protecting the house” the Hawks’ D played as if there wasn’t a house. Effective D systems ALWAYS must be D first systems. Pinch only when it is safe to do so not as a constant strategy. The Hawks gave up an incomprehensible number of odd-man breaks with one D-Man or sometimes both D-Men caught terribly out of position. Simply Not Acceptable.

This is such a nonsense statement.

The CBJ's have played 2 playoff games and scored a total of 9 goals. Panarin's 5 points means that he's been involved in more than 50% of their goals. And guess what? Last time I checked the object of the game is to score more goals then you give up and how they are scored doesn't alter their value.

The entire Hawk team was the scapegoat for the butt-kicking they took last year. They let up when the division was clinched and dropped their last 4 games of the RS. They thought that the Preds would just roll over and play dead and they didn't and were embarrassed because of it.
- Rota's Rooter

Panarin is scoring points it is true but many are on the PP. Not saying that is not an important part of hockey but just saying. He often does very little 5 on 5. The biggest issue in that series is actually Washington completely falling apart at play-off time after another successful regular season. Wrong Coach replaced previous wrong Coach.

Kinda starting to look that way.

I know, hard to believe a Russian could be as good as a good old, red-blooded American boy.

Sure he's soft in the corners and stays on the perimeter in board battles because that is not his strength. Just like Patrick Kane.
- Rota's Rooter

BE CAREFUL YOU CANT SAY STUFF LIKE THAT AROUND THESE CLUELESS WONDERS WILL CRY & YOU WILL GET YOU BANNED

Panarin > Softy Kane

Panarin is scoring points it is true but many are on the PP. Not saying that is not an important part of hockey but just saying. He often does very little 5 on 5. The biggest issue in that series is actually Washington completely falling apart at play-off time after another successful regular season. Wrong Coach replaced previous wrong Coach.
- Z3Hawk

If little Patrica was doing the same thing you CLUELESS ones would be kissing his rear on how great he is playing

GET A CLUE

88 is overpaid & OVERRATED 1 WAY PLAYER

The previous poster underplayed the talent Orr had. Before his knees gave out (at an early age) this guy made players around him look like pylons. I have been watching hockey a long time and I have not seen as dynamic a player as Orr in his prime. He had a good hand in making that Esposito trade look so bad for us.
- 67hawks

He was, in my opinion, one of the two best to ever play the position and one who was truely transformational in how the position evolved.

I'm watching successful powerplay teams...that play below the goal line and have guys go to the front of the net.

Two things the current Hawk team doesn't do. There's too much passing around the perimeter, looking for that "pretty pass" by this team, and not enough Hawks want to pay the price by going in front of the net.
- tompo1015

If a player cannot be convinced to pay the price, then some if them need to be replaced

Panarin is scoring points it is true but many are on the PP. Not saying that is not an important part of hockey but just saying. He often does very little 5 on 5. The biggest issue in that series is actually Washington completely falling apart at play-off time after another successful regular season. Wrong Coach replaced previous wrong Coach.
- Z3Hawk

Again, it doesn't alter the value of those points does it?

Doesn't every coach/manager of every sport stress capitalize on the other team's mistakes?

The excuses that he's soft, only a regular season performer, the other team sucks, only good on the PP are truly amazing. The fact is he and his team are still playing unlike the Hawks and he is contributing to that success.

Admit it. He's pretty frickin' good. Would he have made a difference for the Hawks this year? IMO probably not because the entire Hawk team after the 2nd game of the season looked like they didn't know how to play any more.

BE CAREFUL YOU CANT SAY STUFF LIKE THAT AROUND THESE CLUELESS WONDERS WILL CRY & YOU WILL GET YOU BANNED

Panarin > Softy Kane
- Goalie-33

Relax big guy. I'm certainly not in your camp either.

Again, it doesn't alter the value of those points does it?

Doesn't every coach/manager of every sport stress capitalize on the other team's mistakes?

The excuses that he's soft, only a regular season performer, the other team sucks, only good on the PP are truly amazing. The fact is he and his team are still playing unlike the Hawks and he is contributing to that success.

Admit it. He's pretty frickin' good. Would he have made a difference for the Hawks this year? IMO probably not because the entire Hawk team after the 2nd game of the season looked like they didn't know how to play any more.
- Rota's Rooter

Yeah but Rooter it makes it so much easier to just say Panarin is x,y,z and rationalize an atrocious talent-reducing trade. The word is Denial...


de·ni·al
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noun
noun: denial
the action of declaring something to be untrue.
"she shook her head in denial"
synonyms: contradiction, refutation, rebuttal, repudiation, disclaimer; More
the refusal of something requested or desired.
"the denial of insurance to people with certain medical conditions"
synonyms: refusal, withholding; More
a statement that something is not true.
plural noun: denials
"official denials"
synonyms: contradiction, refutation, rebuttal, repudiation, disclaimer; More
PSYCHOLOGY
failure to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defense mechanism.
"you're living in denial"
short for self-denial.
disavowal of a person as one's leader

Panarin is scoring points it is true but many are on the PP. Not saying that is not an important part of hockey but just saying. He often does very little 5 on 5. The biggest issue in that series is actually Washington completely falling apart at play-off time after another successful regular season. Wrong Coach replaced previous wrong Coach.
- Z3Hawk

Panarin's Regular Season stats for CBJ:

Totals: 27 G 55 A = 82 P
PP: 7 G 14 A = 21 P
5X5: 20 G 41 A = 61 P
'% PP: 26.0%G 25.5% A = 25.6% P

Regular season, not playoffs, but I don't see an excessive amount of PP production.

Compared to, say - oh, I don't know - how about Patrick Kane:

Totals: 27 G 49 A = 76 P
PP: 5 G 17 A = 22 P
5X5: 22 G 32 A = 54 P
%PP: 18.5%G 34.7%A = 28.9%P

Seems pretty close to me.

Panarin's Regular Season stats for CBJ:

Totals: 27 G 55 A = 82 P
PP: 7 G 14 A = 21 P
5X5: 20 G 41 A = 61 P
'% PP: 26.0%G 25.5% A = 25.6% P

Regular season, not playoffs, but I don't see an excessive amount of PP production.

Compared to, say - oh, I don't know - how about Patrick Kane:

Totals: 27 G 49 A = 76 P
PP: 5 G 17 A = 22 P
5X5: 22 G 32 A = 54 P
%PP: 18.5%G 34.7%A = 28.9%P

Seems pretty close to me.
- StLBravesFan

And BOTH adverse to contact - same player to me

Parise out 6-8 weeks broken sternum - Wild will be out quickly.

You are wrong! Last year there was double ZERO compete.
- Spec41971

If a player cannot be convinced to pay the price, then some if them need to be replaced
- jhawk59

The team needs players that compliment each other. Not everyone has to be a crease crasher and garbage goal collector but it helps to have a few on the team. If everyone is a perimeter player or relies on finesse and fancy plays to generate goals, then that's simply not enough offense and sure is not a winning formula for playoff-style hockey. So, yes, identify the players who will pay the price and acquire more if not enough is in the stable.

In a similar vein (as an example, not singling out #8 specifically), if Schmaltz is a pass-first player, make sure he has shooters on his wing. Also, if he can't win a favorable percentage of faceoffs, either move him to wing or put a winger on his line who is better at winning draws (I prefer the latter because, faceoffs aside, Schmaltz brings a lot to the table to be an effective top-6 center).

And on defense, and as overly simplistic as this may sound, it's best if each D pair has one puck mover or rover and one defensive defenseman. Partners need to compliment each other.

And BOTH adverse to contact - same player to me
- riozzo

No - I don't think Panarin is as good as Kane - Kane seems to me a better playmaker, better at creating goals, better at running the offense, better at making something out of nothing - at least through Panarin's 3 years in the league.

Just trying to run a middle ground between those here who think Panarin would have been the savior, and those who are glad he was run out of town.

He's a very good player - an excellent offensive player - who could be helping the Hawks - but I think that Saad could very well help the Hawks more if / when he gets back to being the 200 foot player he was.

Ulf’s Reckless Offence Defensive System was ridiculous. Forget about “protecting the house” the Hawks’ D played as if there wasn’t a house. Effective D systems ALWAYS must be D first systems. Pinch only when it is safe to do so not as a constant strategy. The Hawks gave up an incomprehensible number of odd-man breaks with one D-Man or sometimes both D-Men caught terribly out of position. Simply Not Acceptable.
- Z3Hawk

Generally agree with you as someone who values defense as a top priority for any team.

Having watched most of the playoff games so far, I think it's fair to say the Blackhawks would have been steamrolled by any of these teams. It's a shame that Bowman/Q let our team fall so far so quickly.
- helterhaze

With the parity in the NHL its not necessarily a bad thing. And if they win the lottery they will lave a legitimate piece to build the future around.

You don't win Cups with the Schmaltz's, Debrincats and Hinostrozas of the league. You need superstars to win Cups. Those are important secondary pieces but guys like Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa and Crawford are who ultimately win championships.

Even Carolina had Staal who dumped a 100 point season, a resurrected 35 year old Rod Brind'Amour and folk hero Justin Williams and they were probably the lightest team post lockout in terms of excellent players up and down their roster.

Hawks sign Tavares so they have a third weapon at forward comparable to the Crosby, Malkin, Kessel combination so they can score. They have very good young complimentary pieces in Debrincat, Schmaltz and Saad as well as some guys who can fill out the bottom 6 for cheap.

The end is far from neigh. If it is June and the Hawks picked 8th or 9th and did nothing in terms of trades or FA then I'll agree that next season they are a borderline playoff team that probably gets bounced in the first round unless Crow plays out of his mind.

With the parity in the NHL its not necessarily a bad thing. And if they win the lottery they will lave a legitimate piece to build the future around.

You don't win Cups with the Schmaltz's, Debrincats and Hinostrozas of the league. You need superstars to win Cups. Those are important secondary pieces but guys like Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa and Crawford are who ultimately win championships.

Even Carolina had Staal who dumped a 100 point season, a resurrected 35 year old Rod Brind'Amour and folk hero Justin Williams and they were probably the lightest team post lockout in terms of excellent players up and down their roster.

Hawks sign Tavares so they have a third weapon at forward comparable to the Crosby, Malkin, Kessel combination so they can score. They have very good young complimentary pieces in Debrincat, Schmaltz and Saad as well as some guys who can fill out the bottom 6 for cheap.

The end is far from neigh. If it is June and the Hawks picked 8th or 9th and did nothing in terms of trades or FA then I'll agree that next season they are a borderline playoff team that probably gets bounced in the first round unless Crow plays out of his mind.
- fattybeef

We need to win a 4th cup in the next 3 years so Crow can get his well-deserved Conne Smythe...

Parise out 6-8 weeks broken sternum - Wild will be out quickly.
- riozzo

Is that right? That’s awful. Remember when Suter and Parise signed together? Now both seriously injured at play-off time.

Is that right? That’s awful. Remember when Suter and Parise signed together? Now both seriously injured at play-off time.
- Z3Hawk

And some cry over Toews/Kane......

Panarin is scoring points it is true but many are on the PP. Not saying that is not an important part of hockey but just saying. He often does very little 5 on 5. The biggest issue in that series is actually Washington completely falling apart at play-off time after another successful regular season. Wrong Coach replaced previous wrong Coach.
- Z3Hawk

There is something to be said about the scoring he does, but he was tied for 8th in 5v5 scoring this season. He had a great year and I think he grew his game and also found a good fit with CBJ. I think CBJ has helped him up his two way game a bit too, because Coach Q really didn't trust him on the defensive side and I think that was justified.

I still don't have bad feelings about the trade, no matter how good Panarin does. You need guys like Panarin and you need guys like Saad. I think the Hawks are having a harder time on the defensive side of the game. At some point you just wish him well and let it go.

Edit: the you in my statement isn't anyone in particular, just in general.

https://www.abc15.com/new...er-arrested-in-scottsdale


Looks like we now know the real reason he was moved. He clearly was negatively influenced by Kane and his off-ice antics. Another locker-room crisis averted. /sarcasm

With the parity in the NHL its not necessarily a bad thing. And if they win the lottery they will lave a legitimate piece to build the future around.

You don't win Cups with the Schmaltz's, Debrincats and Hinostrozas of the league. You need superstars to win Cups. Those are important secondary pieces but guys like Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa and Crawford are who ultimately win championships.

Even Carolina had Staal who dumped a 100 point season, a resurrected 35 year old Rod Brind'Amour and folk hero Justin Williams and they were probably the lightest team post lockout in terms of excellent players up and down their roster.

Hawks sign Tavares so they have a third weapon at forward comparable to the Crosby, Malkin, Kessel combination so they can score. They have very good young complimentary pieces in Debrincat, Schmaltz and Saad as well as some guys who can fill out the bottom 6 for cheap.

The end is far from neigh. If it is June and the Hawks picked 8th or 9th and did nothing in terms of trades or FA then I'll agree that next season they are a borderline playoff team that probably gets bounced in the first round unless Crow plays out of his mind.
- fattybeef

Agree with all here.Although I think schmaltz and Debrincat will play in important part but yes you got to get them some help, I can’t believe the ass-kissing going on when it comes to Vincent Hinostroza, he’s the modern day Steve Maltais, he probably score 50 a year in the AHL, but Of 28 of the other teams he doesn’t even make their roster. He may make Arizona or Buffalo. Just goes to show you at the garbage that we had here this year. I guess all will be forgiven, or at least some of it if Stan Bowman hits a homerun on this draft and makes a couple of good free-agent signing’s or for a change a trade that benefits us.. JVR gonna stay in Toronto,Tavares???oh boy? And Evander Kane, if he is smart, will tell his agent to get a deal done with San Jose. As he looks like a natural out there. So ????? Next option? Trade up, draft TKACHUK, develop him, eat crow, make nice, and trade if the Rangers are in a dealing mood, for his cousin, Kevin Hayes. Now put your feelings aside boys, I would not mind seeing that myself. What happen before happened before, the Rangers may be looking at something we have and maybe willing to talk.

Again, it doesn't alter the value of those points does it?

Doesn't every coach/manager of every sport stress capitalize on the other team's mistakes?

The excuses that he's soft, only a regular season performer, the other team sucks, only good on the PP are truly amazing. The fact is he and his team are still playing unlike the Hawks and he is contributing to that success.

Admit it. He's pretty frickin' good. Would he have made a difference for the Hawks this year? IMO probably not because the entire Hawk team after the 2nd game of the season looked like they didn't know how to play any more.
- Rota's Rooter

Q coached awful this year by his own admission. Ulf was abysmal also. Hard to place too much blame on the players as were rarely placed in situations to succeed.

There is no doubt that Panarin has offensive talent. However, if Washington stops playing with idiocy and stops taking needless penalties the series could still shift. Remember both games have gone to OT. If Washington’s PK can start killing penalties taken Panarin’s influence on the series is minimized. Whether Panarin is a good player or not he would not be worth 8 or 9 Million for his next contract which he is likely to get. There has been some talk that Panarin is at Kane’s level which I simply do not see at all.