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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 16 @ 1:44 PM ET
Yeah. Not having enough talent to compete is understandable. But what is the saying? You can't fix stupid. I can see if they were committing penalties to prevent scoring chances, but that isn't it at all. It's high sticking, slashing, all undisciplined BS that gives you zero chance to win. It's really a disgrace.
- PLindbergh31


I don't disagree about that.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 16 @ 1:46 PM ET
When he blew by Maatta in the first period yesterday that was really impressive. Didn't know he had that gear.
- PLindbergh31


Patrick from game 1 to now is 2 different players. Being healthy certainly helps. I am critical of many of Hakstol's moves but I have to say they handled Patrick well
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 16 @ 1:49 PM ET
The guy I’d make a play for is Riley Nash in ufa. 41 points. Stepped up for Boston this year in place of Bergeron. I know he had help on that line. But he might be a guy who won’t break the bank that we could stopgap at 3C. Also a good on pk. He anchored the bruins 3rd line all year. I’d like to see him do the same here
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:51 PM ET
Flyers still have a chance in this series but they absolutely need to win the next game. This team is as streaky as it comes so I could definitely see them gaining some confidence and playing a lot better in the later games of the series if they can get a solid 60 min effort type win tomm. The only way that can happen though is their best guys need to be their best guys. Giroux has not been the mvp caliber player we saw in the regular season to start this series and if the Flyers have any chance he needs to be their best player.

They need to get TK back up on that top line with him in my opinion, that was when Giroux was at his best this season. They were both great at making those quick transition passes up the ice when they played together and Raffl on Giroux's line doesn't bring the same element. I really think TK's speed opened up the ice for Couturier and Giroux and gave them a lot of space, I bet we'd see similar results if he is put on a line with them again. Hopefully Hak makes the switch.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Apr 16 @ 1:52 PM ET
The guy I’d make a play for is Riley Nash in ufa. 41 points. Stepped up for Boston this year in place of Bergeron. I know he had help on that line. But he might be a guy who won’t break the bank that we could stopgap at 3C. Also a good on pk. He anchored the bruins 3rd line all year. I’d like to see him do the same here
- Just5


We have too many centers to choose from in the system.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 16 @ 1:54 PM ET
We have too many centers to choose from in the system.
- youarewrong


Great problem to have
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 16 @ 1:56 PM ET
Great problem to have
- Just5



But I still want to give a few of them every shot at 3c/4c next year. If Laughton takes 3c you look for 4c if not you look for 3c. If no one in the system grabs it you find one via trade or off waivers.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 16 @ 1:58 PM ET
My original prediction was Pens in 7 and it can still happen especially with team Jeckyl and Hyde.
- dragonoffrost


The Flyers are going to win Game 4.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Apr 16 @ 1:58 PM ET
Flyers still have a chance in this series but they absolutely need to win the next game. This team is as streaky as it comes so I could definitely see them gaining some confidence and playing a lot better in the later games of the series if they can get a solid 60 min effort type win tomm. The only way that can happen though is their best guys need to be their best guys. Giroux has not been the mvp caliber player we saw in the regular season to start this series and if the Flyers have any chance he needs to be their best player.

They need to get TK back up on that top line with him in my opinion, that was when Giroux was at his best this season. They were both great at making those quick transition passes up the ice when they played together and Raffl on Giroux's line doesn't bring the same element. I really think TK's speed opened up the ice for Couturier and Giroux and gave them a lot of space, I bet we'd see similar results if he is put on a line with them again. Hopefully Hak makes the switch.

- FreshFlyer


Either TK or Voracek... both options should help. Although I dont mind TK on the second line....

Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds.... maybe it gets something going
Konceny-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Filppula-Raffl
Lehtera-Laughton-Read
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Apr 16 @ 1:59 PM ET


But I still want to give a few of them every shot at 3c/4c next year. If Laughton takes 3c you look for 4c if not you look for 3c. If no one in the system grabs it you find one via trade or off waivers.

- dragonoffrost


I really would like Laughton to be the 3c but unfortunately it looks like he might be just a 4th line guy at this point, which isn't a bad thing because he can be solid for the Flyers in that role but I don't see Hak giving him that opportunity. Guy isn't even being used as a center right now.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Apr 16 @ 2:01 PM ET
Either TK or Voracek... both options should help. Although I dont mind TK on the second line....

Giroux-Couturier-Simmonds.... maybe it gets something going
Konceny-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Filppula-Raffl
Lehtera-Laughton-Read

- youarewrong


I wouldn't mind this either. Hopefully something actually changes though, if Hak goes into the next game making no changes at all I don't think that's the right move.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 16 @ 2:04 PM ET


But I still want to give a few of them every shot at 3c/4c next year. If Laughton takes 3c you look for 4c if not you look for 3c. If no one in the system grabs it you find one via trade or off waivers.

- dragonoffrost


I have a hunch Laughton will never be that 3C. Everything about his game screams 4th liner. There’s no one to play 3C next year signed on the current roster or in the system. The flyers will have ample cap space. Nash will not hurt their future cap. Going to have to sign a player like this.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Apr 16 @ 2:05 PM ET
Giroux basically puts the team on his back
Lots of young inexperienced players on roster
Rotating door of goalies
Flyers still make the playoffs
Draw in against back to back champs
Pens play like back to back champs
"Flyers suck, time to tear it down, Hextall is a bad gm"
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 16 @ 2:05 PM ET
Giroux basically puts the team on his back
Lots of young inexperienced players on roster
Rotating door of goalies
Flyers still make the playoffs
Draw in against back to back champs
Pens play like back to back champs
"Flyers suck, time to tear it down, Hextall is a bad gm"

- Mordecai

Where is Giroux when it really matters?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 16 @ 2:06 PM ET
I really would like Laughton to be the 3c but unfortunately it looks like he might be just a 4th line guy at this point, which isn't a bad thing because he can be solid for the Flyers in that role but I don't see Hak giving him that opportunity. Guy isn't even being used as a center right now.
- FreshFlyer



I actually am not sure what Laughton is. He does seem to have a good shot and solid wheels but just not sure he is creative enough to be anything more then a 4th line, PK guy.

Also it wasn't like he's been doing great things to fore Hakstol's hand to move him up in the lineup. He did play on the 3rd line a little early in the seaon but you also have to show something to stay there.

Vorobyev is the guy I see right now that i think could be a 3rd line center. he has good size and skill and plays a solid two way game.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Apr 16 @ 2:06 PM ET
Where is Giroux when it really matters?
- YuenglingJagr

Trying to grab Sid's ass all series
dirosa0709
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Clementon, NJ
Joined: 04.16.2018

Apr 16 @ 2:07 PM ET
2 words - Carter Hart
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Apr 16 @ 2:09 PM ET
2 words - Carter Hart
- dirosa0709

Three words:

Three years away
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 16 @ 2:10 PM ET
I have a hunch Laughton will never be that 3C. Everything about his game screams 4th liner. There’s no one to play 3C next year signed on the current roster or in the system. The flyers will have ample cap space. Nash will not hurt their future cap. Going to have to sign a player like this.
- Just5



I think Spezza would be a solid one year stop gap guy. Dallas needs to shed some salary. Maybe make a trade and they retain some money. he makes 7.5 now but can you get them to take it down to 4.5? I know he had a down year this year but was a productive player last year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got a 3rd line center type in a simmonds trade. maybe a youngish NHL vet.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 16 @ 2:12 PM ET
I actually am not sure what Laughton is. He does seem to have a good shot and solid wheels but just not sure he is creative enough to be anything more then a 4th line, PK guy.

Also it wasn't like he's been doing great things to fore Hakstol's hand to move him up in the lineup. He did play on the 3rd line a little early in the seaon but you also have to show something to stay there.

Vorobyev is the guy I see right now that i think could be a 3rd line center. he has good size and skill and plays a solid two way game.

- J35Bacher


I shouldn’t say Laughton will never be a 3C. But this year he hasn’t proven near enough that the flyers can pen him into that slot next year. No one has...they need to dip into ufa.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Apr 16 @ 2:12 PM ET
I think Spezza would be a solid one year stop gap guy. Dallas needs to shed some salary. Maybe make a trade and they retain some money. he makes 7.5 now but can you get them to take it down to 4.5? I know he had a down year this year but was a productive player last year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got a 3rd line center type in a simmonds trade. maybe a youngish NHL vet.

- J35Bacher


I would try and get O'Reilly out of Buffalo in a Simmonds trade personally. Not sure what it would take though. If you could do lets say Simmonds and a 2nd for O'Reilly and getting Buffalo to eat about 3/4 mil in salary I would do it. I feel like you are going to have to really entice them to get them to eat any salary though so that's why I think you have to throw in a 2nd or decent prospect.
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Apr 16 @ 2:13 PM ET
I shouldn’t say Laughton will never be a 3C. But this year he hasn’t proven near enough that the flyers can pen him into that slot next year. No one has...they need to dip into ufa.
- Just5


Yep,that or make a trade.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 16 @ 2:13 PM ET
I shouldn’t say Laughton will never be a 3C. But this year he hasn’t proven near enough that the flyers can pen him into that slot next year. No one has...they need to dip into ufa.
- Just5

Maybe if they tried him there
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 16 @ 2:13 PM ET
Where is Giroux when it really matters?
- YuenglingJagr


The skate marks on the ice are his
FreshFlyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.17.2011

Apr 16 @ 2:15 PM ET
I actually am not sure what Laughton is. He does seem to have a good shot and solid wheels but just not sure he is creative enough to be anything more then a 4th line, PK guy.

Also it wasn't like he's been doing great things to fore Hakstol's hand to move him up in the lineup. He did play on the 3rd line a little early in the seaon but you also have to show something to stay there.

Vorobyev is the guy I see right now that i think could be a 3rd line center. he has good size and skill and plays a solid two way game.

- J35Bacher


Vorobyev is definitely intriguing as a guy that could fill that role from within the organization but I'm not sure if putting him into that role as a rookie is the best option for the Flyers. I think they look to sign a ufa or make a trade to fill that postition.
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