Tbay ended up with Sergachev instead of Jones, bad call on their part. One of the few it seems. Hard to knock the other two picks above him, Barkov and Jones is a bit of a toss up. If Barkov stays healthy, he is a unreal talent.
- neem55

Didn't Jones want to play for Avalanche? Weird how he was passed around a bit early on in his career. Last two seasons he's shown that he's a force that justified going 4th overall.

Love to have that kind of presence on my team at the age of 23.

Always praise for Steve Y. No GM is perfect.

Ranking North American skaters
- manvanfan[7] European skaters[8]
1 United States Seth Jones (D) Finland Aleksander Barkov Jr. (C)
2 Canada Nathan MacKinnon (C) Russia Valeri Nichushkin (RW)
3 Canada Jonathan Drouin (LW) Sweden Elias Lindholm (C)
4 Canada Darnell Nurse (D) Finland Rasmus Ristolainen (D)
5 Canada Sean Monahan (C) Sweden Alexander Wennberg (C)
6 Canada Hunter Shinkaruk (C/LW) Sweden Andre Burakovsky (LW)
7 Russia Valentin Zykov (LW) Sweden Jacob de la Rose (LW)
8 Canada Frederik Gauthier (C) Sweden Robert Hagg (D)
9 Switzerland Mirco Mueller (D) Finland Artturi Lehkonen (LW)
10 Canada Anthony Mantha (RW) Russia Pavel Buchnevich (LW)

Sometimes central scouting gets it right. Sometimes they get things wrong.

Looks like they got it right to me. Nichushkin Is the only clear miff, and he could very well come back and do well still.

Didn't Jones want to play for Avalanche? Weird how he was passed around a bit early. Last two seasons he's shown that he's a force that justified going 4th overall.

Love to have that kind of presence on my team at the age of 23.
- bloatedmosquito

ya he grew up in Colorado. Mackinnon was the right pick, guy is a top 10 center in the league. Jones is looking like he might be top 10 d in the league though, we'll see how is does next year. Florida didn't take Jones because they had Ekblad.

ya he grew up in Colorado. Mackinnon was the right pick, guy is a top 10 center in the league. Jones is looking like he might be top 10 d in the league though, we'll see how is does next year. Florida didn't take Jones because they had Ekblad.
- neem55

Ekbkad was 2014, jones was 2013

ya he grew up in Colorado. Mackinnon was the right pick, guy is a top 10 center in the league. Jones is looking like he might be top 10 d in the league though, we'll see how is does next year. Florida didn't take Jones because they had Ekblad.
- neem55

I like how Nash did it old school; build from the goaltending out. Load up on Dmen so if your scoring goes south then you can still lean on your D-core to get you through games. Especially in the second season.

But I agree that MacKinnon was the obvious choice.

Looks like they got it right to me. Nichushkin Is the only clear miff, and he could very well come back and do well still.
- neem55

6 Canada Hunter Shinkaruk (C/LW)
7 Russia Valentin Zykov (LW) S
8 Canada Frederik Gauthier (C)
9 Switzerland Mirco Mueller (D)
10 Canada Anthony Mantha (RW)


Ranked ahead of Bo Horvat

https://twitter.com/coreypronman/status/985897825459372033

New scouting rankings out somewhere. Pronman seen them. Tkachuk at 2. Jared McIsaac ahead of Ty Smith. Bahl at 28 now. Liam Foudy all the way up to 19.

Some big changes in the Euro rankings too.

FOUND THEM!
https://nhl.bamcontent.co...7452/binary-file/file.pdf

https://nhl.bamcontent.co...7458/binary-file/file.pdf

MERKLEY AT 45!

Cole Fonstad at 65 steal
Cameron Hillis at 67 steal
Riley Sutter 80
- manvanfan

Nice work! First choice would be BT but we skilled D bad imo. Maybe because Bouchard and Dobson have size? Hughes would probably be most ready. What would your choice be?

I like how Nash did it old school; build from the goaltending out. Load up on Dmen so if your scoring goes south then you can still lean on your D-core to get you through games. Especially in the second season.

But I agree that MacKinnon was the obvious choice.
- bloatedmosquito

Nashville just took the next best player then traded him for a #1 center.

6 Canada Hunter Shinkaruk (C/LW)
7 Russia Valentin Zykov (LW) S
8 Canada Frederik Gauthier (C)
9 Switzerland Mirco Mueller (D)
10 Canada Anthony Mantha (RW)


Ranked ahead of Bo Horvat
- manvanfan

I pointed out the top 10 didn't I? I think it was pretty accurate, I agree horvat should have been higher, but they weren't off by much.

Ekbkad was 2014, jones was 2013
- Retinalz

Ah cheers, that's interesting. I do really like Barkov, but Jones was the better pick there at this point.

I like how Nash did it old school; build from the goaltending out. Load up on Dmen so if your scoring goes south then you can still lean on your D-core to get you through games. Especially in the second season.

But I agree that MacKinnon was the obvious choice.
- bloatedmosquito

I agree, I also really like this model. They always seem to go d in one of the first two rounds.

Ah cheers, that's interesting. I do really like Barkov, but Jones was the better pick there at this point.
- neem55

Jones is the type of stud defenseman we desperàtely need.
We will get that from Dobson at 7th.

Nice work! First choice would be BT but we skilled D bad imo. Maybe because Bouchard and Dobson have size? Hughes would probably be most ready. What would your choice be?
- Eldebrink

I have a billion choices depending on where Van picks. Last year I wanted EP at 5. This year I don't have a player I want.

If EP is going to play Center. BT as his LW would be fantastic. If Van is drafting at 6 and RD, AS, FZ, AB, BT are gone. I'd like to trade down a few spots. If I had to pick at 6
Quinn Hughes, Noah Dobson, Evan Bouchard, Oliver Wahlstrom would all be good picks.

If NYI want to give up 10 and 12 for 6 be fine taking Ty Smith and Bode Wilde.

Huge possibilities.

Nashville just took the next best player then traded him for a #1 center.
- manvanfan

True, but Nash has depth and ability to make a trade like that. Says a whole lot about their drafting and player acquisition over the years. Canucks should pay attention.

Jones is the type of stud defenseman we desperàtely need.
We will get that from Dobson at 7th.
- Reubenkincade

It's a d heavy draft, I'd be surprised if we didn't end up with Dobson, bouchard, boquist, wilde(although Wilde has slid) if we pick 6-9 range.

True, but Nash has depth and ability to make a trade like that. Says a whole lot about their drafting and player acquisition over the years. Canucks should pay attention.
- bloatedmosquito

That's something that happens over years. If MG was able to hit on 3 or 4 more players during his tenure. Van would be in a completely different position. If JB can continue to show some promise in his picking. Certainly could look like Nashville in time.

That's something that happens over years. If MG was able to hit on 3 or 4 more players during his tenure. Van would be in a completely different position. If JB can continue to show some promise in his picking. Certainly could look like Nashville in time.
- manvanfan

I don't think so. IMO, the reason why Nash is in the position they are is because of consistency season after season after season. Nashville never seems to go through different phases. They have one phase and that's steady progression towards success through the draft. It was never about "hitting on 3 or 4".

I admire that after having to watch my team flip and flop around for years like a dying fish.

True, but Nash has depth and ability to make a trade like that. Says a whole lot about their drafting and player acquisition over the years. Canucks should pay attention.
- bloatedmosquito

It's harder to draft/develop D then it is forwards. You can always find a top 6, even a top 3 forward, especially if you can give up a potential #1D and not even blink. Nashville since their inception have always made sure they had plenty of D prospects in their system which is why they could let Suter walk and then trade Weber for Subban (mostly because of Josi, Ellis being as good as they are).

There's very few teams that can boast having 2, maybe even /3/ legitimate #1Ds in their lineup. Josi, Subban and Ellis all would be a 1D on any other team in the league.

EDIT: Heck, they managed to luck into Turris to bolster their Cup aspirations to avoid the lack of C depth they had last year in the Finals because of their full D cupboards.

It's harder to draft/develop D then it is forwards. You can always find a top 6, even a top 3 forward, especially if you can give up a potential #1D and not even blink. Nashville since their inception have always made sure they had plenty of D prospects in their system which is why they could let Suter walk and then trade Weber for Subban (mostly because of Josi, Ellis being as good as they are).

There's very few teams that can boast having 2, maybe even /3/ legitimate #1Ds in their lineup. Josi, Subban and Ellis all would be a 1D on any other team in the league.
- DariusKnight

Ryan Ellis is not even close to a #1 D.

It's a d heavy draft, I'd be surprised if we didn't end up with Dobson, bouchard, boquist, wilde(although Wilde has slid) if we pick 6-9 range.
- neem55

I am leery on Boqvist, although I have never even seen any highlights on him. Wilde is a fine defenseman and probably dropped because he isnt shiny enough as a point producer.
I also like MacIsaac, but not at 7th.

Stay away from Hughes, those types are always ßcattered throughout rounds 3-7.

Ryan Ellis is not even close to a #1 D.
- manvanfan

He's a bit small IMO to be a #1D but his numbers are very nice and he fits in that system perfectly. His +/- numbers are gaudy.

It's harder to draft/develop D then it is forwards. You can always find a top 6, even a top 3 forward, especially if you can give up a potential #1D and not even blink. Nashville since their inception have always made sure they had plenty of D prospects in their system which is why they could let Suter walk and then trade Weber for Subban (mostly because of Josi, Ellis being as good as they are).

There's very few teams that can boast having 2, maybe even /3/ legitimate #1Ds in their lineup. Josi, Subban and Ellis all would be a 1D on any other team in the league.

EDIT: Heck, they managed to luck into Turris to bolster their Cup aspirations to avoid the lack of C depth they had last year in the Finals because of their full D cupboards.
- DariusKnight

Steady hand at the wheel at all levels of ownership and management. Clear vision of what they wanted to achieve from the get-go. Get the depth so you can get yourself out of jams when they occur.

Running the team like a true business.

He's a bit small IMO to be a #1D but his numbers are very nice and he fits in that system perfectly. His +/- numbers are gaudy.
- bloatedmosquito

I think he made a real stride in the playoffs last season and it showed when he got back this year. I had always thought he was a really good #3. He showed he could be a #2 this year.

He is a bit tiny, why I'd be a bit worried about drafting Quinn Hughes. Van doesn't have a bigger #1 for him to thrive. Need a scoring D man but to be a #1 in the league 6' or taller.

If Van had a Chara you could have your Krug. You got a Suter and you can have your Spurgeon. You've got your Provorov you can have you Goshisbehere.

I am leery on Boqvist, although I have never even seen any highlights on him. Wilde is a fine defenseman and probably dropped because he isnt shiny enough as a point producer.
I also like MacIsaac, but not at 7th.

Stay away from Hughes, those types are always ßcattered throughout rounds 3-7.
- Reubenkincade

hahaha then why are you leery? don't like the name?

Hughes, and this is well known, is on another level offensively. I'm not saying I hope he is picked, but claiming you'll find another similar player is just false with the exception of Merkeley who is even more all-out offense.

It's harder to draft/develop D then it is forwards. You can always find a top 6, even a top 3 forward, especially if you can give up a potential #1D and not even blink. Nashville since their inception have always made sure they had plenty of D prospects in their system which is why they could let Suter walk and then trade Weber for Subban (mostly because of Josi, Ellis being as good as they are).

There's very few teams that can boast having 2, maybe even /3/ legitimate #1Ds in their lineup. Josi, Subban and Ellis all would be a 1D on any other team in the league.

EDIT: Heck, they managed to luck into Turris to bolster their Cup aspirations to avoid the lack of C depth they had last year in the Finals because of their full D cupboards.
- DariusKnight

Subban is the best of the bunch and better than Weber. I agree and like that they always prioritized D. To be clear, they've had some busts along the way on D as well but somehow have manged to figure out how to draft d very well.