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Jokiharju and the Winterhawks have been eliminated from the WHL playoffs. I’d expect to see him sign a contract with the Hawks and maybe a tryout with the Hogs. - DarthKane
If he does sign with the hawks can he even play in the AHL? He's 19 and players coming from the CHL have to be 20 to play in the AHL or they ha e to stick in NHL or its back to juniors |
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The work he did between 2010-13 was outstanding. Not many gm's would be able to reshuffle a team like he did in that short amount of time. It took the Penguins 6 years - BetweenTheDots
We forget what terrible seasons - almost disasters - 2010-11 - making the tournament on the last day only because Dallas lost to Minnesota in the last game, then down 0-3 in the first round before battling back - and the next season - losing to a not that good Phoenix team behind really shoddy goaltending.
As much as we talk about a 10 year run, the Hawks had two good runs - 2008-09-10 - winning a Cup and making the WCF - then two bad seasons while somebody rebuilt and filled in to get to three great seasons. Since 2015, the magic has disappeared.
I think Stan deserves much credit for the 2013-2015 run, and much of the blame for not being able to rebuild and fill in since - altho much of the blame has to go to the remaining core for losing their championship level play.
Now the question is - can Stan generally manage a more major rebuild going forward - and can Q coach one
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jhawk59
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Glum and despondant need not be the Blackhawks fan. Trusting Bowman to right the ship is a controversial call; he is more likely to complete some moves which stem the embarraasment of the past season but which clearly are not the most promising direction. It is more about saving his face.
The divide can appear so great yet the space between contender and pretender does not need to be unreachable.There is an interesting comparison between the Cubs and the Blackhawks which helps explain the chasm we wish we could skip oh somewhat merrily along
.........Bowman and his ideas aren't likely entirely the way to go....
As i was starting to say
Here's what this is all about: nailing the choice by choosing a top draft who will become one of the future core.
It is not proper to trade down in this strong top ten draft to get a mid career mid quality middle pair defensrnan. Someone has mentioned DeHahn. Descent player but not going to help too much to turn around this sorry blueline crew. On this I that feel we can unanimously agree.
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When you suffer for a couple of years then start to see light at the end of the tunnell, hopefully you have drafted well and did not wasting too much $$$ and assets in your organizational roster for cheap tempoary fill ins.
More or less that is deHahn. My gosh he is not someone who is willing to frequently knock the opponent on their derrier, so he is really just not quite the turnover machine that the turnstyle dmen were last season
You can get pumped and draft all kinds of promising newbies.....but be cautious as the prospects are not rushed and eventually their glimmer, their shine wears off. Comparison time* Cubs
They will continue to struggle this season because their line up is chok full of prospects rushed, undisciplined bats and poor to average hitters is too high a number for an offense to prosper.
Bryant, Rizzo is good and Contreras is ok. You could live with Baez but then you have poor ba, strke out hackers in Happ, Schwarber, Russell and the average Heyward. You see why good pitching beats them back. It is not just the Mets in playoffs or the cold weather so far this season: It is themselves...
Their ability. Sorry Madden
Bowman can finally add a core piece. Successive drafts may not find us drafting from the best prospects if Bowman trades down. Yes Bowman dug a hole with his blueline crew assembly.
Oh i get that he had to play the still youthful kids because, after all, lost season and by playing them NHL
minutes NOW you have ascribed value to them. Most likely all will go once other prosoects are deemed ready to step in.....some which may be ready sooner rather than in two or more years
Just whom do you like to draft, whom can you envision?
Dreamers go watch the Cubs sail away to a non playoff. Dreamer by Supertramp sounds about right. For the beloved looser Cubbies. For the Blackhawks i am not yet to the point of hearing a Ron Santo make over voice cry out, oh no, oh no like when Brant Brown dropoed the fly ball. Draft, trade well Stan. Please. Or i will become like Ronny woo woo, only wailing wa wa instead.
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We forget what terrible seasons - almost disasters - 2010-11 - making the tournament on the last day only because Dallas lost to Minnesota in the last game, then down 0-3 in the first round before battling back - and the next season - losing to a not that good Phoenix team behind really shoddy goaltending.
As much as we talk about a 10 year run, the Hawks had two good runs - 2008-09-10 - winning a Cup and making the WCF - then two bad seasons while somebody rebuilt and filled in to get to three great seasons. Since 2015, the magic has disappeared.
I think Stan deserves much credit for the 2013-2015 run, and much of the blame for not being able to rebuild and fill in since - altho much of the blame has to go to the remaining core for losing their championship level play.
Now the question is - can Stan generally manage a more major rebuild going forward - and can Q coach one
I have my doubts on both. - StLBravesFan
Can he, is the question. To me can he find talent absolutely. The problem for him has been the stagnant cap, and rising player salaries.
CC's injury has been minimized here, progressing from a goalie with holes in his game to a goalie who has carried this team for the past couple of years, including the beginning of this year.
At the end of 2012 the last thing i expected was the Hawks to come out and win 23 games in a row, i think?
I'm really curious to see how Forsling and other kids do next season in Q's system. For many say Q's system is easy and i completely disagree, but once the young kids really really understand it and build the disciplined habits in order to play Q's system at in game speed and decision making they will automatically becomea much more competitive team if their NHL goalie is healthy. |
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Dreamers go watch the Cubs sail away to a non playoff. Dreamer by Supertramp sounds about right. For the beloved looser Cubbies. For the Blackhawks i am not yet to the point of hearing a Ron Santo make over voice cry out, oh no, oh no like when Brant Brown dropoed the fly ball. Draft, trade well Stan. Please. Or i will become like Ronny woo woo, only wailing wa wa instead.
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There's like 150 games left? |
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jhawk59
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There's like 150 games left? - BetweenTheDots
The plate discipline is awful. Batting is about making adjustments. Too many sluggers whom do not want to settle more for a single. Warm weather at bats will be better, but their mental approach nonetheless need adjustment |
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Can he, is the question. To me can he find talent absolutely. The problem for him has been the stagnant cap, and rising player salaries.
CC's injury has been minimized here, progressing from a goalie with holes in his game to a goalie who has carried this team for the past couple of years, including the beginning of this year.
At the end of 2012 the last thing i expected was the Hawks to come out and win 23 games in a row, i think?
I'm really curious to see how Forsling and other kids do next season in Q's system. For many say Q's system is easy and i completely disagree, but once the young kids really really understand it and build the disciplined habits in order to play Q's system at in game speed and decision making they will automatically becomea much more competitive team if their NHL goalie is healthy. - BetweenTheDots
We can hope. It may be more than one season to evolve. There is discernment whom to draft even better skill capable player than our own prospects among dmenn particularly, or go after one of the forwards....
Scouts are salivating at the possibilities. Fans are seating out Bowman's arithmatic and deduction. |
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jhawk59
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The work he did between 2010-13 was outstanding. Not many gm's would be able to reshuffle a team like he did in that short amount of time. It took the Penguins 6 years - BetweenTheDots
The doomsayers dodge this. Bad times become an even tougher challenge. That was then. This is now |
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The plate discipline is awful. Batting is about making adjustments. Too many sluggers whom do not want to settle more for a single. Warm weather at bats will be better, but their mental approach nonetheless need adjustment - jhawk59
Besides the history you're using isn't relevant. Follow Epsteins history, WSC 2004, 2007 and 2013. Sure they may miss the playoffs maybe even this year so have the Red Sox during their run. But the Cubs core is impressive and what if Harper does sign here. Cubs desperately miss a lead off hitter. |
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jhawk59
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Besides the history you're using isn't relevant. Follow Epsteins history, WSC 2004, 2007 and 2013. Sure they may miss the playoffs maybe even this year so have the Red Sox during their run. But the Cubs core is impressive and what if Harper does sign here. Cubs desperately miss a lead off hitter. - BetweenTheDots
Some good hitters, some never will live up to expectations, some jury still out on. Also some concern that Lester will morph from good to so so pitcher |
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jhawk59
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The work he did between 2010-13 was outstanding. Not many gm's would be able to reshuffle a team like he did in that short amount of time. It took the Penguins 6 years - BetweenTheDots
And he kept the core together. He did not change out one of the core to save dollars. Often there was debate if Crawford was good enough. Was among the elite. He was good enough |
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HawkintheD
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Besides the history you're using isn't relevant. Follow Epsteins history, WSC 2004, 2007 and 2013. Sure they may miss the playoffs maybe even this year so have the Red Sox during their run. But the Cubs core is impressive and what if Harper does sign here. Cubs desperately miss a lead off hitter. - BetweenTheDots
Fowler was a good tablesetter and he hasn’t been replaced. |
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Hawkster
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And he kept the core together. He did not change out one of the core to save dollars. Often there was debate if Crawford was good enough. Was among the elite. He was good enough - jhawk59
And we had great success but now is different.
How to rebuild? How to replace to veterans that make big$ while not offending the fans now that the core or the face of the franchise is gone. Its a tricky dance that will have to be played out sooner than later. How does the FO get under those contracts if lets say another egg is laid next year? Its not like those contracts expire after next year so I would be interested on how you smart bloggers would handle the situation? |
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So the train wreck of mistakes Kempny made here is of no concern? Was it Q or the player woke up when he was traded? I am not defending Q, however far too many times there is at least equal blame to go around. - riozzo
Give Kempny more time to show he is how much better than the critcism he received here. The different system helps him. The confidance to go back out after a mistake or his tesm scored on.........is also very important. |
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HawkintheD
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The work he did between 2010-13 was outstanding. Not many gm's would be able to reshuffle a team like he did in that short amount of time. It took the Penguins 6 years - BetweenTheDots
Along with CC’s injury, it’s another thing that’s often minimized here. If you take a trip in time back to this place circa 2012, I don’t recall many if any here predicting that the ‘13 team was anything more than another 1st round out if not a playoff miss altogether.
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jhawk59
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And we had great success but now is different.
How to rebuild? How to replace to veterans that make big$ while not offending the fans now that the core or the face of the franchise is gone. Its a tricky dance that will have to be played out sooner than later. How does the FO get under those contracts if lets say another egg is laid next year? Its not like those contracts expire after next year so I would be interested on how you smart bloggers would handle the situation? - Hawkster
I would offer a prospect plus the exchange of picks where we also surrender the second #1 pick. That is the extent how far i would go. Only because the dmen prospects and forward prospects are better than what we have in prospects. Future core pieces. That is just my two cents. |
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Besides the history you're using isn't relevant. Follow Epsteins history, WSC 2004, 2007 and 2013. Sure they may miss the playoffs maybe even this year so have the Red Sox during their run. But the Cubs core is impressive and what if Harper does sign here. Cubs desperately miss a lead off hitter. - BetweenTheDots
Cases in point: Scott Podsednik and Ricky Fowler |
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HawkintheD
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Cases in point: Scott Podsednik and Ricky Fowler - 35Tony0
Dexter too. |
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Any chance Hossa try to make a comeback? I think he would be foolish too. |
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Glum and despondant need not be the Blackhawks fan. Trusting Bowman to right the ship is a controversial call; he is more likely to complete some moves which stem the embarraasment of the past season but which clearly are not the most promising direction. It is more about saving his face.
The divide can appear so great yet the space between contender and pretender does not need to be unreachable.There is an interesting comparison between the Cubs and the Blackhawks which helps explain the chasm we wish we could skip oh somewhat merrily along
.........Bowman and his ideas aren't likely entirely the way to go....
As i was starting to say
Here's what this is all about: nailing the choice by choosing a top draft who will become one of the future core.
It is not proper to trade down in this strong top ten draft to get a mid career mid quality middle pair defensrnan. Someone has mentioned DeHahn. Descent player but not going to help too much to turn around this sorry blueline crew. On this I that feel we can unanimously agree.
Wa
When you suffer for a couple of years then start to see light at the end of the tunnell, hopefully you have drafted well and did not wasting too much $$$ and assets in your organizational roster for cheap tempoary fill ins.
More or less that is deHahn. My gosh he is not someone who is willing to frequently knock the opponent on their derrier, so he is really just not quite the turnover machine that the turnstyle dmen were last season
You can get pumped and draft all kinds of promising newbies.....but be cautious as the prospects are not rushed and eventually their glimmer, their shine wears off. Comparison time* Cubs
They will continue to struggle this season because their line up is chok full of prospects rushed, undisciplined bats and poor to average hitters is too high a number for an offense to prosper.
Bryant, Rizzo is good and Contreras is ok. You could live with Baez but then you have poor ba, strke out hackers in Happ, Schwarber, Russell and the average Heyward. You see why good pitching beats them back. It is not just the Mets in playoffs or the cold weather so far this season: It is themselves...
Their ability. Sorry Madden
Bowman can finally add a core piece. Successive drafts may not find us drafting from the best prospects if Bowman trades down. Yes Bowman dug a hole with his blueline crew assembly.
Oh i get that he had to play the still youthful kids because, after all, lost season and by playing them NHL
minutes NOW you have ascribed value to them. Most likely all will go once other prosoects are deemed ready to step in.....some which may be ready sooner rather than in two or more years
Just whom do you like to draft, whom can you envision?
Dreamers go watch the Cubs sail away to a non playoff. Dreamer by Supertramp sounds about right. For the beloved looser Cubbies. For the Blackhawks i am not yet to the point of hearing a Ron Santo make over voice cry out, oh no, oh no like when Brant Brown dropoed the fly ball. Draft, trade well Stan. Please. Or i will become like Ronny woo woo, only wailing wa wa instead.
- jhawk59
J, Just whom do you draft??
Get the big Freight Train power forward to be part of the next core, ya need that Eric Lindros/Keith Tkachuk type power forward to just steam roll people and compliment this group of toy match box smurfs. Screw the Defensemen unless you can get Dahlin by moving up to #1. Hope he packages the 2picks and moves up to the top 3and gets either Tkachuk's kid or Dahlin. Ya gotta treat this like the Bears did when drafting the Quarterback. Gotta be aggressive, Bowman won't, but if McD is informed enough about this scenario, he may put Bowmans nuts in a vice and tel him " get it done"! You have other options to get a top 4D man. I hope they don't draft that little shlit from Michigan. Enough of that stuff already.
As far as the coach goes, I think , unless it starts out real bad next year, Joel will be here till the end of his contract and then retire. If the Hawks make any changes in his assistants this Summer,, it will probably be someone who will be a strong candidate to take over for him when he steps away. I don't see him signing another extension.
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Glum and despondant need not be the Blackhawks fan. Trusting Bowman to right the ship is a controversial call; he is more likely to complete some moves which stem the embarraasment of the past season but which clearly are not the most promising direction. It is more about saving his face.
The divide can appear so great yet the space between contender and pretender does not need to be unreachable.There is an interesting comparison between the Cubs and the Blackhawks which helps explain the chasm we wish we could skip oh somewhat merrily along
.........Bowman and his ideas aren't likely entirely the way to go....
As i was starting to say
Here's what this is all about: nailing the choice by choosing a top draft who will become one of the future core.
It is not proper to trade down in this strong top ten draft to get a mid career mid quality middle pair defensrnan. Someone has mentioned DeHahn. Descent player but not going to help too much to turn around this sorry blueline crew. On this I that feel we can unanimously agree.
Wa
When you suffer for a couple of years then start to see light at the end of the tunnell, hopefully you have drafted well and did not wasting too much $$$ and assets in your organizational roster for cheap tempoary fill ins.
More or less that is deHahn. My gosh he is not someone who is willing to frequently knock the opponent on their derrier, so he is really just not quite the turnover machine that the turnstyle dmen were last season
You can get pumped and draft all kinds of promising newbies.....but be cautious as the prospects are not rushed and eventually their glimmer, their shine wears off. Comparison time* Cubs
They will continue to struggle this season because their line up is chok full of prospects rushed, undisciplined bats and poor to average hitters is too high a number for an offense to prosper.
Bryant, Rizzo is good and Contreras is ok. You could live with Baez but then you have poor ba, strke out hackers in Happ, Schwarber, Russell and the average Heyward. You see why good pitching beats them back. It is not just the Mets in playoffs or the cold weather so far this season: It is themselves...
Their ability. Sorry Madden
Bowman can finally add a core piece. Successive drafts may not find us drafting from the best prospects if Bowman trades down. Yes Bowman dug a hole with his blueline crew assembly.
Oh i get that he had to play the still youthful kids because, after all, lost season and by playing them NHL
minutes NOW you have ascribed value to them. Most likely all will go once other prosoects are deemed ready to step in.....some which may be ready sooner rather than in two or more years
Just whom do you like to draft, whom can you envision?
Dreamers go watch the Cubs sail away to a non playoff. Dreamer by Supertramp sounds about right. For the beloved looser Cubbies. For the Blackhawks i am not yet to the point of hearing a Ron Santo make over voice cry out, oh no, oh no like when Brant Brown dropoed the fly ball. Draft, trade well Stan. Please. Or i will become like Ronny woo woo, only wailing wa wa instead.
- jhawk59
Just natural the window has likely closed--at least for Cup contention. Look at the great teams back when they stayed together--Canadiens, Islanders, Oilers--all had about a 5-8 year window of greatness--then it's gone.
Fast forward through two full seasons from now--I would imagine teams such as Anaheim, San Jose, Boston, Pitt, Minnesota, Dallas, Washington all might be scrambling to stay relevant.
The problem with the Hawks going forward will be the long-term contracts, because they will not allow them as much flexibility as teams that don't have the same constraints.
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J, Just whom do you draft??
Get the big Freight Train power forward to be part of the next core, ya need that Eric Lindros/Keith Tkachuk type power forward to just steam roll people and compliment this group of toy match box smurfs. Screw the Defensemen unless you can get Dahlin by moving up to #1. Hope he packages the 2picks and moves up to the top 3and gets either Tkachuk's kid or Dahlin. Ya gotta treat this like the Bears did when drafting the Quarterback. Gotta be aggressive, Bowman won't, but if McD is informed enough about this scenario, he may put Bowmans nuts in a vice and tel him " get it done"! You have other options to get a top 4D man. I hope they don't draft that little shlit from Michigan. Enough of that stuff already.
As far as the coach goes, I think , unless it starts out real bad next year, Joel will be here till the end of his contract and then retire. If the Hawks make any changes in his assistants this Summer,, it will probably be someone who will be a strong candidate to take over for him when he steps away. I don't see him signing another extension. - wonthecup10
In every sport i believe you draft best player available, period
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Dexter too. - HawkintheD
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And we had great success but now is different.
How to rebuild? How to replace to veterans that make big$ while not offending the fans now that the core or the face of the franchise is gone. Its a tricky dance that will have to be played out sooner than later. How does the FO get under those contracts if lets say another egg is laid next year? Its not like those contracts expire after next year so I would be interested on how you smart bloggers would handle the situation? - Hawkster
Every year is different, but in my humble opinion Bowman and Q have earned the right to have the chance/ challenge to do this. If you treat sports as a business we will be stuck in the Bill Wirtz era. I'm grateful for the 3 cups but as grateful of the Hawks not committing a knee jerk reaction because of 1 season. Look at the damage Krause did when he traded away the core Bulls when MJ retired the 2nd time. No one wanted to play here. |
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