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Stan_Bowman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.27.2017

Apr 4 @ 2:44 PM ET
Let say the organization does decide they need to move on from Q, couldn't we just try to trade him since he is still under contract and try to get a high asset? Two birds, one stone

Extremely rare, but not sure its disallowed as I see no rules against it.

Some team out there might be desperate for Q
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 4 @ 2:48 PM ET
Panarin set the all-time record for assists in one season for Columbus last night. He is tied for all-time points in one season right now. Not bad ........unless you're Bowman then it's a total and complete embarrassment highlighting what a king jackass he is. Fire Bowjob now before it's too late and he decides he can't sign ABD and trades him for nothing like he did Panarin.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 4 @ 2:50 PM ET
Panarin set the all-time record for assists in one season for Columbus last night. He is tied for all-time points in one season right now. Not bad ........unless you're Bowman then it's a total and complete embarrassment highlighting what a king jackass he is. Fire Bowjob now before it's too late and he decides he can't sign ABD and trades him for nothing like he did Panarin.
- Savoy


Can I have a dime for every time this point is made on this board?
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Apr 4 @ 2:50 PM ET
Let say the organization does decide they need to move on from Q, couldn't we just try to trade him since he is still under contract and try to get a high asset? Two birds, one stone

Extremely rare, but not sure its disallowed as I see no rules against it.

Some team out there might be desperate for Q

- Stan_Bowman



Nice idea, he is an asset that prople all over the league seem to covet.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 4 @ 2:55 PM ET
Can I have a dime for every time this point is made on this board?
- riozzo

You could be rich because it has just started. I'll keep it up until Bowman is gone or he comes up with another highest scoring line in the NHL.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Apr 4 @ 2:57 PM ET
Can I have a dime for every time this point is made on this board?
- riozzo


It hurts every time we read any stories about the Blue Jackets lol. I loved the Breadman but pretty sure everyone (including me) expected Saad to score at least 50-60 points this year and provide a solid two-way game.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 4 @ 3:10 PM ET
Fair question to all who are missing little Artie - Why didn't he lead the team last year (a western conference #1 seed by the way) to a playoff victory?

Here is my answer - Reguar season points/goals don't mean a thing teamwise.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 4 @ 3:12 PM ET
It hurts every time we read any stories about the Blue Jackets lol. I loved the Breadman but pretty sure everyone (including me) expected Saad to score at least 50-60 points this year and provide a solid two-way game.
- Popsghostly


Saad is/was in a slump. It happens. He and Toews will both bounce back. If Bowman wasn't such an incompetent goof and hadn't screwed up the Saad situation in the first place the Hawks could have had both players. It was still a horrible trade. Panarin was always going to be twice the contributor Saad will be.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Apr 4 @ 3:18 PM ET
Let say the organization does decide they need to move on from Q, couldn't we just try to trade him since he is still under contract and try to get a high asset? Two birds, one stone

Extremely rare, but not sure its disallowed as I see no rules against it.

Some team out there might be desperate for Q

- Stan_Bowman



Michael Bergeron was traded as a coach, but it was for a first round pick.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 4 @ 3:19 PM ET
Fair question to all who are missing little Artie - Why didn't he lead the team last year (a western conference #1 seed by the way) to a playoff victory?

Here is my answer - Reguar season points/goals don't mean a thing teamwise.

- powerenforcer

He was second on the team in playoff scoring last year. Are you one of those guys who still thinks one guy has to do everything all by himself? Are you of the opinion you don't need five guys and a goalie on the ice? Just Panarin or just Kane everybody else go sit down. Maybe you should do a little research and learn about the team concept and how it applies to hockey. It's not terribly complicated buddy.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 4 @ 3:29 PM ET
No. Both have NTCs, and you don't need to piss off your best two players by making them exercise their NTCs.

I get the whole 'sell while they have value', but I'm not in full rebuild mode. Kane and Keith are the only pillars of this house that haven't rotted, they're the last two I would trade.

Things look grim right now, but if Colorado can go from worst team in memory to wildcard... the Hawks can right the ship next year with some shrewd FA moves and a solid draft. As Mrs. Doubtfire would say: HELP IS ON THE WEY DEAR!!!

- ObeseOprah

Ok fair points to me towes and crow maybe the only way we get back to status that the hawks need to be at if they want another cup so those 2 players need to come back in a major way for the hawks to move forward and become a powerhouse again. i agree with you on kane and kieth they are main cogs for the hawks and personally i would not trade them either unless a team came to the hawks with a trade they could refuse.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Apr 4 @ 3:36 PM ET
Saad is/was in a slump. It happens. He and Toews will both bounce back. If Bowman wasn't such an incompetent goof and hadn't screwed up the Saad situation in the first place the Hawks could have had both players. It was still a horrible trade. Panarin was always going to be twice the contributor Saad will be.
- Savoy


Right but I think the addition of Forsberg was supposed to even out the trade. As we all have seen so far, Forsberg has been good for 2-3 weak goals a game. I don't recall any recent young Hawks' goalie look that bad and turn out good except for maybe Craig Anderson.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Apr 4 @ 3:41 PM ET
Michael Bergeron was traded as a coach, but it was for a first round pick.
- walleyeb1



In 1987. I don't know if the new CBA allows for coaches to be traded.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Apr 4 @ 3:46 PM ET
Saad is/was in a slump. It happens. He and Toews will both bounce back. If Bowman wasn't such an incompetent goof and hadn't screwed up the Saad situation in the first place the Hawks could have had both players. It was still a horrible trade. Panarin was always going to be twice the contributor Saad will be.
- Savoy

Panarin is a quitter, and he quit on the HAWKS last year .And could not wait to jump on the plane to go play for mother Russia . I am glad he's gone, good riddance .If Coach Q up would play the players Stan and the front office bring in it would help .Also try playing them in the natural position. Q up must go he a rebel without a clue ..he should have been gone two years ago ,or after his dram queen show at the draft ..
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Apr 4 @ 3:50 PM ET
In 1987. I don't know if the new CBA allows for coaches to be traded.
- DarthKane

I think there is compensation if you sign a coach still under contract ,but nothing like a 1st . Be nice to get something for him ,otherwise he will just be sitting around watching the ponies run for two more years ..
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Apr 4 @ 3:55 PM ET
He was second on the team in playoff scoring last year. Are you one of those guys who still thinks one guy has to do everything all by himself? Are you of the opinion you don't need five guys and a goalie on the ice? Just Panarin or just Kane everybody else go sit down. Maybe you should do a little research and learn about the team concept and how it applies to hockey. It's not terribly complicated buddy.
- Savoy


I understand - and agree with - your point about it being a team disaster - certainly everyone involved needed to look in the mirror on that one (they seemed not to, based on how much of the Nashville series for many carried over into this year).

But I wouldn't hang my analysis on Panarin being 2nd on the team in playoff scoring last April - not tied with four others with one point (no goals) - actually, he was tied for third with those four behind the $10.5MM twins with 1+1=2 each.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 4 @ 3:58 PM ET
Panarin is a quitter, and he quit on the HAWKS last year .And could not wait to jump on the plane to go play for mother Russia . I am glad he's gone, good riddance .If Coach Q up would play the players Stan and the front office bring in it would help .Also try playing them in the natural position. Q up must go he a rebel without a clue ..he should have been gone two years ago ,or after his dram queen show at the draft ..
- oldduffman

Yeah he quit bigtime on Columbus this year. Q benched him for almost the entire year last year right? Kane hated him and it shows in Kane's production this year. Yep Kane couldn't be happier that Panarin is not only gone but beating Kane's production this year because everybody knows Panarin was strictly a product of playing with Kane even though the facts point to the other way around. Did your IQ test come back negative?
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 4 @ 4:06 PM ET
I understand - and agree with - your point about it being a team disaster - certainly everyone involved needed to look in the mirror on that one (they seemed not to, based on how much of the Nashville series for many carried over into this year).

But I wouldn't hang my analysis on Panarin being 2nd on the team in playoff scoring last April - not tied with four others with one point (no goals) - actually, he was tied for third with those four behind the $10.5MM twins with 1+1=2 each.

- StLBravesFan

Now don't disturb the mushrooms that grow and post on this board. The nerve of you suggesting that it's a team game. You are right about Panarin being tied for third instead of second in playoff scoring last year albeit only one point behind first place.
Boisy12
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Plainfield, IL
Joined: 05.01.2009

Apr 4 @ 4:36 PM ET
Can I have a dime for every time this point is made on this board?
- riozzo


Let's wait and see what he does in the playoffs. He put up 2 stinkers here and that's why he got traded.
People were very excited after Saad went off in the beginning of the year.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Apr 4 @ 4:42 PM ET
Now don't disturb the mushrooms that grow and post on this board. The nerve of you suggesting that it's a team game. You are right about Panarin being tied for third instead of second in playoff scoring last year albeit only one point behind first place.
- Savoy

I'll remain torqued forever, after having seen Subban rag doll Toews all series, seeing Panarin take a two hander across the visor late in Game 4 and still no pushback from the 'Hawks.
It's a long road back for the boys, and that road necessarily requires leaving some opponents in the corner wondering if their lungs will ever work again.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 4 @ 4:52 PM ET
He was second on the team in playoff scoring last year. Are you one of those guys who still thinks one guy has to do everything all by himself? Are you of the opinion you don't need five guys and a goalie on the ice? Just Panarin or just Kane everybody else go sit down. Maybe you should do a little research and learn about the team concept and how it applies to hockey. It's not terribly complicated buddy.
- Savoy


All you need to do is watch his reaction when he got the goal that got him his bonus. That was his Stanley Cup! End of discussion.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 4 @ 5:10 PM ET
Yeah he quit bigtime on Columbus this year. Q benched him for almost the entire year last year right? Kane hated him and it shows in Kane's production this year. Yep Kane couldn't be happier that Panarin is notonly gone but beating Kane's production this year because everybody knows Panarin was strictly a product of playing with Kane even though the facts point to the other way around. Did your IQ test come back negative?
- Savoy

He quit in the playoff loss to nashville. That is factual. If you want to say he is a quiter in general, i know what you mean but this has to be documentrd somehow. Otherwise argumentive hotheads may write nasty. There is a polite, proper, mature way to respond then there is someone who must have issues in life when they write like they are bullying or pissed off. When you write poorly, everyone can see it and wonder, what's that guy's problem. At work you might find a human resource manager question if you need counseling.. All this over the life and death hockey discussion, eh - sarcasm last sentence intentional as a point of emphasis.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Apr 4 @ 5:17 PM ET
I think there is compensation if you sign a coach still under contract ,but nothing like a 1st . Be nice to get something for him ,otherwise he will just be sitting around watching the ponies run for two more years ..
- oldduffman



I think they got rid of that rule.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 5:17 PM ET
wow..how about that brutal goalie int reversal against nashville last night...
how many of these have we seen this year...complete farce on these rulings...
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Apr 4 @ 5:20 PM ET
Bowman made a trade that made sense at the time with Hossa down, looking for more cap certainty and after two first round exits. We also needed a replacement for Darling. Definitely, Toews, Keith, Seabrook and others can be called out for underperforming along with Saad. Even Kane is having an off year. If Saad has a better year next year and the team makes the playoffs, it won't seem so bad.

On the other hand, its pretty silly vilifying Panarin to the point where he is a lazy, greedy care about nothing player. He has skills and he played with fire. He dropped his gloves and wasn't afraid to stand up to players. Given how this season has turned out, who wouldn't rather have an 80-point player over a 35-point player?

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