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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 31 @ 1:12 PM ET
Hopefully Edjsell can evolve into a reliable 3rd line scorer. He's simply too slow right now for the NHL pace. If the Hawks get a difference maker with Nashville's pick it makes the trade look much better. If the Hawks get the 7th pick in the lottery does trading the 7th overall + Nashville's pick get you pick 2 or 3?? If so, would you do it?
- EnzoD


I doubt the Nashville pick would be enough to move from 7 to 2. Would I make that trade if another team was willing? Yes I would.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Mar 31 @ 1:18 PM ET
Hopefully Edjsell can evolve into a reliable 3rd line scorer. He's simply too slow right now for the NHL pace. If the Hawks get a difference maker with Nashville's pick it makes the trade look much better. If the Hawks get the 7th pick in the lottery does trading the 7th overall + Nashville's pick get you pick 2 or 3?? If so, would you do it?
- EnzoD

That's a tough call , but if it is straight picks and get's a top 3 I think you do it . I do believe Bouchard is a great D man in the making ,don't know if he would be available at 7 . Don't know if you take in the top 3 either .Should be fun ,glad it not my call .
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 31 @ 1:35 PM ET
Is anyone familiar with Jake Ryczek? The Hawks drafted the defenseman in the 7th round in the 2016 draft. It looks like he left college to play for Halifax in the QMJHL. 27 points in 33 games is a solid rookie season.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Mar 31 @ 1:48 PM ET
David Poile said that he didn't give up any real assets for Hartman, and he was right.
- Dieselhead

I would consider any first round pick an asset.
Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

Mar 31 @ 1:51 PM ET
Hopefully Edjsell can evolve into a reliable 3rd line scorer. He's simply too slow right now for the NHL pace. If the Hawks get a difference maker with Nashville's pick it makes the trade look much better. If the Hawks get the 7th pick in the lottery does trading the 7th overall + Nashville's pick get you pick 2 or 3?? If so, would you do it?
- EnzoD


Absolutely Enzo...... but only if it brings Tkachuk. This team needs a power forward as bad as Dmen, however, the dmen will take a few years to develop, no matter who they'd draft.
The question is.......... does Bowman have the skills to make such a trade without getting fleeced by having to add a sweetener to those 2 picks to move up ? I guess it depends on WHO the sweetener would be.

IMO....... if this team is going to stick with Bowman and Quenneville next year then they obviously feel that this year was a fluke. Sorry but I am NOT in that camp. I believe that a total rebuild is in order, but with the contract situations being what they are because of Bowman's genius, then we'll see more of the same next year. We will definitely see the direction this summer.

Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

Mar 31 @ 1:57 PM ET
Poll question, which would you prefer beat the Blues twice knocking them out of the playoffs and sliding back a draft spot or two.

Or

Losing to the Blues twice potentially moving up a couple spots and increasing lottery odds.

- walleyeb1


LOSE LOSE LOSE !! These meaningless wins that people are happy about is just plain laughable.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 31 @ 2:08 PM ET
Absolutely Enzo...... but only if it brings Tkachuk. This team needs a power forward as bad as Dmen, however, the dmen will take a few years to develop, no matter who they'd draft.
The question is.......... does Bowman have the skills to make such a trade without getting fleeced by having to add a sweetener to those 2 picks to move up ? I guess it depends on WHO the sweetener would be.

IMO....... if this team is going to stick with Bowman and Quenneville next year then they obviously feel that this year was a fluke. Sorry but I am NOT in that camp. I believe that a total rebuild is in order, but with the contract situations being what they are because of Bowman's genius, then we'll see more of the same next year. We will definitely see the direction this summer.

- Hawkytalk


The proof is in the pudding on Stan Bowman's skills as an NHL GM. Now that Tallon's Core is either gone (thanks to Bowman's Salary Cap navigation) or diminished in skill, you see what Stan Bowman's Blackhawks are....BAD. An utter and complete failure at assembling an NHL defense this year lies squarely on Bowman's shoulders. I really don't know what people expected Q to do with this defense group, though I think he did fail in sticking with Toews+Saad for FAR too long and franking around Murphy. Other than that, the defensive shortcomings of Forsling, Oesterle, Rutta and Gustafson cannot be blamed on the coach IMO.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Mar 31 @ 2:24 PM ET
Is anyone familiar with Jake Ryczek? The Hawks drafted the defenseman in the 7th round in the 2016 draft. It looks like he left college to play for Halifax in the QMJHL. 27 points in 33 games is a solid rookie season.
- DarthKane


USHL kid who's out of junior eligibility after this yr. Under 6 ft stout puck mover. Always highly thought of, went 1st rd in USHL draft, traded for by the all time winingest USHL coach who churns out Dmen. A list who came thru Waterloo. https://www.waterlooblack...om/black-hawks-in-the-nhl

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=297332

Didn't realize Ryczek left the NCAA for Major Junior.


Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

Mar 31 @ 2:25 PM ET
I would consider any first round pick an asset.
- tvetter


Kyle Beach
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 31 @ 2:29 PM ET
Kyle Beach
- Dieselhead


Nail Yakupov
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Mar 31 @ 2:34 PM ET
Also Darth the kid had an incredible 180ish junior games and putting up a point a game in the rat hockey QMJHL for a 20 yr old with that kind of experience is par for the course. .... What impresses me stats wise was his 18 points in 20 USHL games with Waterloo as an 18 yr old. .... The USHL has more kids drafted than does the QMJHL the last 4-5 yrs and is a better league right now.

Again drafted 1st rd in the USHL, played as a 16 yr old, went thru the coaching at Waterloo are the bright spots. Waterloo is always loaded as they get players from all 4 corners of earth and they traded for Ryzcyk and he skated top 4. ....... Stout kid, is decisive. Good value IMO in the 7th rd by the Hawks.

Collect 30-40 Dmen and find 2-3-4 that can make a organIzational roster. Same with goalies.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 31 @ 2:39 PM ET
The proof is in the pudding on Stan Bowman's skills as an NHL GM. Now that Tallon's Core is either gone (thanks to Bowman's Salary Cap navigation) or diminished in skill, you see what Stan Bowman's Blackhawks are....BAD. An utter and complete failure at assembling an NHL defense this year lies squarely on Bowman's shoulders. I really don't know what people expected Q to do with this defense group, though I think he did fail in sticking with Toews+Saad for FAR too long and franking around Murphy. Other than that, the defensive shortcomings of Forsling, Oesterle, Rutta and Gustafson cannot be blamed on the coach IMO.
- EnzoD


In your opinion, who should replace Stan?
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Mar 31 @ 2:59 PM ET
Nail Yakupov
- EnzoD

Giroux 1-22
Tarasanko 1-16
Marchand 3 -77
Draft a crap shoot ,and even more so with the lightly weighted lottery ,,
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Mar 31 @ 3:04 PM ET
In your opinion, who should replace Stan?
- DarthKane

Just my two cents , Nobody .Stan putting players out there and Q is unwilling to use them properly .He is not a teaching coach ,runs the fewest practice of any coach .May be all right for a veteran team . Now when he must do some real coaching he is unable to a just philosophy .He has been maybe the worst contract this team has handed out .
gmurban
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Joined: 04.08.2008

Mar 31 @ 3:05 PM ET
The proof is in the pudding on Stan Bowman's skills as an NHL GM. Now that Tallon's Core is either gone (thanks to Bowman's Salary Cap navigation) or diminished in skill, you see what Stan Bowman's Blackhawks are....BAD. An utter and complete failure at assembling an NHL defense this year lies squarely on Bowman's shoulders. I really don't know what people expected Q to do with this defense group, though I think he did fail in sticking with Toews+Saad for FAR too long and franking around Murphy. Other than that, the defensive shortcomings of Forsling, Oesterle, Rutta and Gustafson cannot be blamed on the coach IMO.
- EnzoD



Correct, which is why Stan will be relieved of duties shortly.

Stan very publicly consolidated power after last year and the result has been a disaster. He owns this roster, Ulfie, changes to style of play forced on Q.
gmurban
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Joined: 04.08.2008

Mar 31 @ 3:08 PM ET
In your opinion, who should replace Stan?
- DarthKane



Brisbois from TB would be a good hire. Hawks want to talk to him. A certain inside the glass commentator is going to get a long look.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 31 @ 3:17 PM ET
In your opinion, who should replace Stan?
- DarthKane


A former player who knows what it takes to win in the NHL and has a better eye for NHL defense-man. I will defer to the thorough analysis done on JJ's new website about Stan Bowman's track record with defenseman both via draft and trade/signing.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Mar 31 @ 3:22 PM ET
A former player who knows what it takes to win in the NHL and has a better eye for NHL defense-man. I will defer to the thorough analysis done on JJ's new website about Stan Bowman's track record with defenseman both via draft and trade/signing.
- EnzoD

I'm not really a Bowman fan but to be fair Dale Talon had much higher drafts picks than Bowman has to this point t in both Chicago and Florida. He wasn't perfect either. Jack Skille anyone? Cam barker?
He was better at trading it seems though.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Mar 31 @ 3:29 PM ET
Just my two cents , Nobody .Stan putting players out there and Q is unwilling to use them properly .He is not a teaching coach ,runs the fewest practice of any coach .May be all right for a veteran team . Now when he must do some real coaching he is unable to a just philosophy .He has been maybe the worst contract this team has handed out .
- oldduffman

Oh really? Who did Quenneville use improperly? Rutta? Kempny? Forsling? Maybe these euros and kids aren't that good to begin with or might not be ready for the NHL yet? Hmmmm, did you ever think of that?
Oh no, it also the coaches fault that Forsberg can't save a beachball too.
Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

Mar 31 @ 3:33 PM ET
The proof is in the pudding on Stan Bowman's skills as an NHL GM. Now that Tallon's Core is either gone (thanks to Bowman's Salary Cap navigation) or diminished in skill, you see what Stan Bowman's Blackhawks are....BAD. An utter and complete failure at assembling an NHL defense this year lies squarely on Bowman's shoulders. I really don't know what people expected Q to do with this defense group, though I think he did fail in sticking with Toews+Saad for FAR too long and franking around Murphy. Other than that, the defensive shortcomings of Forsling, Oesterle, Rutta and Gustafson cannot be blamed on the coach IMO.
- EnzoD


Well......the defensive shortcomings have been on this ride since Quenneville took over havent they ??? Yes we can blame Bowman as well, but in my opinion, Quenneville, as an ex defenseman himself who has coached and failed with other organizations as well, has to be questioned. No mattter who has specifically been coaching the D core under his regimes, the decisions and defensive philosophies start with him.

The NO CHECK clear the crease, the stick check versus body check, the backing in versus standing up at the blue line, ultimately are his system.
Then comes the finger-point at his "puck moving" style, yet, puck movers like Nick Leddy and Trevor Daley couldn't fit into this and he sat them, and had them moved. Just wayyyy too many head scratching decisions between him and Bowman over the past several years.

We can ALL thank God for 3 CUPS under the previous regime, but I'm not one who gives much of the credit to either of them.....not when the elite CORE of Kane, Toews , Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Sharp, Crawford and especially HOSSA, are the reason for their genius.

The current crop of defenseman are Bowman's group. The questions will remain.....can Q develop them, or are they just all bottom 4/6 dmen that play as soft as they appear.

Sounds like this riff between GM and Coach probably will continue for another
year though.
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Mar 31 @ 3:46 PM ET
Oh really? Who did Quenneville use improperly? Rutta? Kempny? Forsling? Maybe these euros and kids aren't that good to begin with or might not be ready for the NHL yet? Hmmmm, did you ever think of that?
Oh no, it also the coaches fault that Forsberg can't save a beachball too.

- GPHawksfan


What do the Q-critics have to say about how he's handled Alex DeBrincat this year? I don't remember him saying anything to the press that was anything other than praise or encouragement for the kid. He's made similar comments after each of the youngsters' debuts recently. He gives players a chance, he knows what he likes, he holds players accountable, as guys prove their worth, he cuts them some slack. When a message needs to be sent, he sends it; like with Seabrook earlier this year, and Seabrook responded.

Maybe he could have gotten more out of Daley. But overall, I like how Q coaches the team through the highs and lows. I hope he stays.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Mar 31 @ 3:47 PM ET
Nail Yakupov
- EnzoD

There's obviously hits and misses in each round, but Hartman was the 30th pick, Debrincat was 37th. Bowman's first round pick has worked out more often than not.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 31 @ 3:53 PM ET
There's obviously hits and misses in each round, but Hartman was the 30th pick, Debrincat was 37th. Bowman's first round pick has worked out more often than not.
- tvetter


I have no qualms with Bowman's record on forwards. But the reason the Hawks are in last place is due to the defense group and backup goaltending IMO.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 31 @ 3:54 PM ET
Well......the defensive shortcomings have been on this ride since Quenneville took over havent they ??? Yes we can blame Bowman as well, but in my opinion, Quenneville, as an ex defenseman himself who has coached and failed with other organizations as well, has to be questioned. No mattter who has specifically been coaching the D core under his regimes, the decisions and defensive philosophies start with him.

The NO CHECK clear the crease, the stick check versus body check, the backing in versus standing up at the blue line, ultimately are his system.
Then comes the finger-point at his "puck moving" style, yet, puck movers like Nick Leddy and Trevor Daley couldn't fit into this and he sat them, and had them moved. Just wayyyy too many head scratching decisions between him and Bowman over the past several years.

We can ALL thank God for 3 CUPS under the previous regime, but I'm not one who gives much of the credit to either of them.....not when the elite CORE of Kane, Toews , Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Sharp, Crawford and especially HOSSA, are the reason for their genius.

The current crop of defenseman are Bowman's group. The questions will remain.....can Q develop them, or are they just all bottom 4/6 dmen that play as soft as they appear.

Sounds like this riff between GM and Coach probably will continue for another
year though.

- Hawkytalk


I think this is due to the personnel. Oesterle, Gustafson, Rutta and Forsling all play soft due to a lack of physical strength. Idk if that can be blamed on coaching. It's tough to play physical when you just don't have the strength to do so...
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 31 @ 4:05 PM ET
I'm not really a Bowman fan but to be fair Dale Talon had much higher drafts picks than Bowman has to this point t in both Chicago and Florida. He wasn't perfect either. Jack Skille anyone? Cam barker?
He was better at trading it seems though.

- GPHawksfan


Comparing Tallon to Bowman is not a realistic analysis. The GMs managed the team in different stages of their development - building vs winning. Depending in the current state a GM will approach their duties with different goals. Tallon didn't manage a championship team and Bowman hasn't managed a rebuilding team, although he might be doing that now. Most of the contributors to the Cups were drafted before or after Tallon, except the guys that were 1st and 3rd overall picks.

Plus, Tallon hasn't been able to replicate his success in Florida either.

I'm not saying Stan is the best GM out there, it might be time for him to go. But the whole Tallon vs Bowman argument doesn't make sense.
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