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jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 23 @ 5:01 PM ET
Cap goes to 80 and they move Hossa they have 17 mildo to play with. Just sign Tavares and win now while Keith and Seabrook aren't completely useless.
- fattybeef


I do not find moving Hossa contract a sensible move. We still miss playoffs. We owe something for them to take Hossa; they aren't helping us without receiving something of value we do not need to loose.

Please explain if i am overlooking something
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Mar 23 @ 5:11 PM ET
I do not find moving Hossa contract a sensible move. We still miss playoffs. We owe something for them to take Hossa; they aren't helping us without receiving something of value we do not need to loose.

Please explain if i am overlooking something

- jhawk59


Might be a team that needs to get to the cap floor, spending “only” $1MM for over $5MM in cap space.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 5:13 PM ET
Here are the draft rankings according to an aggregate of 6 sources (ISS Hockey, Marek, Hockeyprospect.com, Scott Wheeler, Dobber, McKenzie)
1. Rasmus Dahlin, D
2. Andrei Svechnikov, RW
3. Filip Zadina, LW
4. Brady Tkachuk, LW
5. Adam Boqvist, D
6. Oliver Wahlstrom, RW
7. Evan Bouchard, D
8. Quinton Hughes, D
9. Noah Dobson, D
10. Joe Veleno, C
11. Joel Farabee, LW
12. Barret Hayton, C

I'll be posting a few write-ups on each guy so we can have a sense of what each guy brings to the table, and who they might compare to. If anyone wants to take a crack at any of them, let me know.

- ObeseOprah


2. Andrei Svechnikov, RW, 6'3", 187 lbs.
The tall Russian has been neck and neck with Zadina for the number 2 spot behind Dahlin. His brother was taken 19th overall by Detroit in 2015 and has started to play a handful of games with the big club this year. I caught a Grand Rapids Griffins game against the Chicago Wolves earlier this year, Svechnikov (the brother) was mostly invisible that game.
Andrei has a big body and long reach. He seems to gravitate toward the net whenever he's in the offensive zone. It looks like many of his goals could be scored in the dirty areas. He has the ability to draw multiple defenders to him to open up teammates on the opposite side of the net: https://www.youtube.com/w...tch?v=kDk5gw5q9Vo#t=4m54s

His long reach gives him a puck control radius reminiscent of Patrick Laine or Marian Hossa, where no puck behind the net is totally out of reach.

He reaches a decently high speed with a low amount of strides, and seems to glide through traffic easier than most. He almost looks slow because of how few strides he takes in the offensive zone, but looking at the people chasing him tells a different story.

He's a lefty, so his office on the PP is flipped from where Ovechkin/Stamkos normally setup. He has a good one-timer, but his wrist shot seems to be his main weapon of choice. Any time he's had more space on the larger ice surfaces he seems to flourish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_iYyg6Fwd0

Svechnikov has a nose for the net, and seems to create a decent scoring chance on most of his shifts. He seems to be the kind of player that opposing coaches have to be mindful of, because the puck will end up at least near their net at some point during his shift. Although he seems to be a shoot-first winger, his ability to draw defenders and find teammates could lead to more assists.

The one thing that I don't like is how long it's taken his brother to crack a poor Detroit lineup. If the Stromes are any indication of overhyped pedigree, that would give me some pause on taking Svechnikov with a #2 pick over Zadina. However, the offensive tools are readily apparent, and that is why he'll be taken much sooner than his brother.

Best case scenario: Jakub Voracek, Marian Hossa
Worst case scenario: Jakob Silfverberg, Kevin Hayes
Plausible scenario: Thomas Vanek, Alexander Radulov
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 23 @ 5:18 PM ET
Might be a team that needs to get to the cap floor, spending “only” $1MM for over $5MM in cap space.
- StLBravesFan


There's only one team in that position anymore.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 5:39 PM ET
There's only one team in that position anymore.
- BINGO!


What would a rising cap ceiling do to the cap floor, would that add a few more buyers?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Mar 23 @ 5:45 PM ET
2. Andrei Svechnikov, RW, 6'3", 187 lbs.

The one thing that I don't like is how long it's taken his brother to crack a poor Detroit lineup. If the Stromes are any indication of overhyped pedigree, that would give me some pause on taking Svechnikov with a #2 pick over Zadina. However, the offensive tools are readily apparent, and that is why he'll be taken much sooner than his brother.

- ObeseOprah

Not just the Stromes but the Reinharts, too.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Mar 23 @ 5:49 PM ET
http://icehogs.com/news/index.html?article_id=6114

Official announcement of Tuulola being signed to a PTO with the Hogs. Nothing on the Hawks website.

Also, no official announcement on the reported signing of Kahun, that Czech player who played for Team Germany.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 23 @ 5:50 PM ET
What would a rising cap ceiling do to the cap floor, would that add a few more buyers?
- riozzo


If it bumps to the highest estimate of $82 million, that would push the floor up to around $62 million.

Only CAR and ARI would be below that number this season, and Carolina's already committed to spending more next season. Though they only have $49 million locked up for next year.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 5:56 PM ET
If it bumps to the highest estimate of $82 million, that would push the floor up to around $62 million.

Only CAR and ARI would be below that number this season, and Carolina's already committed to spending more next season. Though they only have $49 million locked up for next year.

- BINGO!


Thanks
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 23 @ 6:04 PM ET
Maybe Stan thinks he can trade 3 poopty NHL Dmen (Gustafson, Oesterle and Rutta) for one good NHL Dman 😂
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Mar 23 @ 6:08 PM ET
Cap goes to 80 and they move Hossa they have 17 mildo to play with. Just sign Tavares and win now while Keith and Seabrook aren't completely useless.
- fattybeef


You seriously think Tavares is the tipping point to be a contender?

The LAST thing this team needs is yet another contract north of $8MM with term.

They need four new D, at least two new centers, a true power forward or two, two goalies - hopefully a healthy CC is one, a new game plan that actually allows players to use their bodies to check, and leadership by example from our fading C and two As.

I dont see even a meaningful piece of that happening.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 23 @ 6:11 PM ET
You seriously think Tavares is the tipping point to be a contender?

The LAST thing this team needs is yet another contract north of $8MM with term.

They need four new D, at least two new centers, a true power forward or two, two goalies - hopefully a healthy CC is one, a new game plan that actually allows players to use their bodies to check, and leadership by example from our fading C and two As.

I dont see even a meaningful piece of that happening.

- Return of the Roar


I expect minor tinkering, a Euro signing, pumping Edjsell, Forsling, Jokiharju, and the two new 1st rounders as "the future", and another lottery pick in 2019.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 23 @ 6:45 PM ET
http://icehogs.com/news/index.html?article_id=6114

Official announcement of Tuulola being signed to a PTO with the Hogs. Nothing on the Hawks website.

Also, no official announcement on the reported signing of Kahun, that Czech player who played for Team Germany.

- AEL_Fox

Just go to stat's on the ahl site, the one on left of three game review formats is best. You can see whom played. Just wish could get toi.. Another site has been giving icehog game reviews. They play tonight.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 23 @ 6:47 PM ET
You seriously think Tavares is the tipping point to be a contender?

The LAST thing this team needs is yet another contract north of $8MM with term.

They need four new D, at least two new centers, a true power forward or two, two goalies - hopefully a healthy CC is one, a new game plan that actually allows players to use their bodies to check, and leadership by example from our fading C and two As.

I dont see even a meaningful piece of that happening.

- Return of the Roar

Yes. They better draft right.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Mar 23 @ 7:05 PM ET
If it bumps to the highest estimate of $82 million, that would push the floor up to around $62 million.

Only CAR and ARI would be below that number this season, and Carolina's already committed to spending more next season. Though they only have $49 million locked up for next year.

- BINGO!


The floor is way too low - that is what makes Bettman have to control officiating, review calls, and DOPS rulings to get his parity aligned. If the owners want to own a team, make them spend!
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 7:50 PM ET
Not just the Stromes but the Reinharts, too.
- AEL_Fox

I was going to say the Reinharts, but Sam has had a good year on a bad buffalo team. He’s coming into his own at a slower rate than recent #2 picks.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 23 @ 8:02 PM ET
Drnnis Gilbert and Notre Dame defeated Mich Tech in overtime. I am curious how good Gilbert will be as a professional.

In a few minutes Icehogs skate and we see if new guys are skating.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Mar 23 @ 8:07 PM ET
The floor is way too low - that is what makes Bettman have to control officiating, review calls, and DOPS rulings to get his parity aligned. If the owners want to own a team, make them spend!
- powerenforcer


Relegation.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 23 @ 8:32 PM ET
Drnnis Gilbert and Notre Dame defeated Mich Tech in overtime. I am curious how good Gilbert will be as a professional.

In a few minutes Icehogs skate and we see if new guys are skating.

- jhawk59

Only new guy in lineup is Ejdsell. He has an assist already as Rockford's Samuelson scored. Two big guys on ice together, eh. Samuelson has been getting on scoresheet most each game. Want toughness and size. Hayden, Martinsen, Samuelson, Ejdsell.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Mar 23 @ 8:35 PM ET
I do not find moving Hossa contract a sensible move. We still miss playoffs. We owe something for them to take Hossa; they aren't helping us without receiving something of value we do not need to loose.

Please explain if i am overlooking something

- jhawk59


based on the Datsyuk deal...wings were able to unload his contract for very little cost..

https://www.freep.com/sto...aft-first-round/86362374/
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Mar 23 @ 8:44 PM ET
I think the HAWKS will bounce back only if they can Pry Coach Q from the wheel of the ship . There appears to have been a munity near the end of last year . This team played all year like they were trying to get the coach fired .One or two great games then a string of god awful hockey .. NO HAWKS NO !!!!!
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 8:49 PM ET
Here are the draft rankings according to an aggregate of 6 sources (ISS Hockey, Marek, Hockeyprospect.com, Scott Wheeler, Dobber, McKenzie)
1. Rasmus Dahlin, D
2. Andrei Svechnikov, RW
3. Filip Zadina, LW
4. Brady Tkachuk, LW
5. Adam Boqvist, D
6. Oliver Wahlstrom, RW
7. Evan Bouchard, D
8. Quinton Hughes, D
9. Noah Dobson, D
10. Joe Veleno, C
11. Joel Farabee, LW
12. Barret Hayton, C

I'll be posting a few write-ups on each guy so we can have a sense of what each guy brings to the table, and who they might compare to. If anyone wants to take a crack at any of them, let me know.

- ObeseOprah


3. Filip Zadina, LW, 6’1”, 192 pounds
The latest top prospect our of Halifax Moosehead’s pedigree (MacKinnon, Drouin, Ehlers, etc.), the Czech winger has been commended for his three zone play.
At 192 pounds there’s not much filling out left to do, Zadina seems to be more mature than other prospects at the forward position.

Fair warning: he’s probably my favorite player in this draft, apologies for any bias.

He seems to never run out of energy. Constantly hounding the puck or jockeying for position like it’s the last two minutes or a game down by one.

He shoots a ton, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHM74F3FzPg
His wrist shoot is deadly, likes to score top shelf. Backhand is sneaky strong.

He has 44 goals, 38 assists, 82 points in 57 games for Halifax, and its a safe bet that this will be his final season in junior. Granted these aren’t MacKinnon/Drouin numbers, but it’s still impressive that he’s clipping along way above a point per game.

Zadina isn’t necessarily a Selke candidate, wingers rarely are, but his two way play has been noticed. Some reports state that he recognizes lanes and forces opposing players to make more difficult passes. Usually any compliments on a junior superstar’s defensive ability means a lot considering they’re usually deployed in the offensive zone and relied on for scoring.

Zadina’s offensive tools are second only to Svechnikov’s, and in some cases better. He has great deking ability and can weave through defenses like he’s running a cone drill. He’s likely faster than Svechnikov, and has quicker strides to get up to full speed. Zadina isn’t the fastest forward available, but he is not lacking at all in speed/acceleration.

Zadina has the characteristics of a ‘spark plug’, but his raw talent deserves a better moniker than something deserved for third liners. He will get rough along the boards, tie up sticks by slamming his into others’, and take an opportunity to hit if it presents itself. All of these traits as a puck hound should immediately help any team that strongly relies on puck cycling.

The few drawbacks of Zadina are that he might overlook teammates with a better angle while he waits for his shot, and his rough game might not be as dominant against fully grown men in the NHL.

Best case scenario: Brad Marchand, Taylor Hall
Worst case scenario: Mikkel Boedker, Michael Frolik
Plausible scenario: Filip Forsberg, Mike Hoffman

bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Mar 23 @ 9:59 PM ET
habs won...now 3 pts behind the hawks..
with 7 games left and 2 vs the wings...this could be interesting...
the hawks dropping to 5th or 6th can happen...

7 games with playoff contenders if they some how get 4 of the remaining 14 points
the habs or wings have to get 8 pts to overtake them; i don't see the habs doing that with their schedule; the wings have a "softer" sched but they are as much of a mess as the hawks...

to me the hawks probably end up 7th or 8th...
if they start winning they could move to the 9th or 10th spot
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Mar 23 @ 10:15 PM ET
If it bumps to the highest estimate of $82 million, that would push the floor up to around $62 million.

Only CAR and ARI would be below that number this season, and Carolina's already committed to spending more next season. Though they only have $49 million locked up for next year.

- BINGO!


Just because a team is above it on paper right now, doesn't mean they won't be looking to save from cash and they won't move a contract between now and then. Hossa's contract could be moved.
Slofire94
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 01.17.2016

Mar 23 @ 10:52 PM ET
Just because a team is above it on paper right now, doesn't mean they won't be looking to save from cash and they won't move a contract between now and then. Hossa's contract could be moved.
- breadbag


*cough* Ottawa *cough*

Although they could twist some sort of PR move bringing Hoss back too... in some capacity or another as he did play there a while
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