That conversation STARTS with either Werenski or Jones. And will require 4 more blue-chip pieces/1sts, and maybe another cost-controlled roster player.
- Slofire94

Unrelated, but I have both on my fantasy team. Super happy about that draft.

Don't see how you take a top pairing defenseman from a team that is playoff bound. I don't care how much you argue that Kane and AA would improve Panarin. Werenski and Jones should be in Columbus for their careers.

They can't score, and they have solid depth both in terms of prospects and NHL Dmen.
- EnzoD

Fair point, but that still seems too rich to me.

Fair point, but that still seems too rich to me.
- BINGO!

Kane is going to be in the conversation as one of the best American born players of all time, and is still well within his prime without any major recurring injuries/concussions.

You don't trade him unless he demands out. Or you get an offer that you really can't refuse.

Random thought but if there's a way to get Sam Bennett out of Calgary that might not be a bad idea.

Kane is going to be in the conversation as one of the best American born players of all time, and is still well within his prime without any major recurring injuries/concussions.

You don't trade him unless he demands out. Or you get an offer that you really can't refuse.
- Slofire94

Our your stanbo and he is the sweetner to rid yourself of Seabs cap hit.

Kane is going to be in the conversation as one of the best American born players of all time, and is still well within his prime without any major recurring injuries/concussions.

You don't trade him unless he demands out. Or you get an offer that you really can't refuse.
- Slofire94

Or your team sucks and you desperately need to recoup assets and depth because he's 30 and you aren't winning any time soon.

Our your stanbo and he is the sweetner to rid yourself of Seabs cap hit.
- riozzo

I really do hope Francis mailed Stan a gift basket or something.

It has some importance though. Especially for "possession" teams that aren't over physical in getting the puck back
- BlazinMike

Sure if a team actually "retains" possession after they get it. It's a moot point if they're just going to lose it in the board battle after the face-off win.

Our your stanbo and he is the sweetner to rid yourself of Seabs cap hit.
- riozzo

What team has the cap space to accept ~$20 mil in players? You are taking bad contracts back out of necessity.

Unrelated, but I have both on my fantasy team. Super happy about that draft.

Don't see how you take a top pairing defenseman from a team that is playoff bound. I don't care how much you argue that Kane and AA would improve Panarin. Werenski and Jones should be in Columbus for their careers.
- TexasHawk

Playoff bound this year or next? Can't make trades for this year -TDL passed.

As far as playoff bound this year, I would question that because Florida is hot right now, one point behind Columbus, and has 3 games in hand. On the other hand Columbus has been struggling.

Or your team sucks and you desperately need to recoup assets and depth because he's 30 and you aren't winning any time soon.
- BINGO!

Noting all your posts, BINGO, are you a closet Blackhawks fan?

Random thought but if there's a way to get Sam Bennett out of Calgary that might not be a bad idea.
- BINGO!

How has he played? Havent watched much Calgary hockey.

Noting all your posts, BINGO, are you a closet Blackhawks fan?
- 67hawks

He's just waiting for his teams next chance to pry another piece from us

Another thought I've had lately is that Stan acts too late too frequently. Not just the delayed cap clearing moves that might have gone better had he acted sooner: Leddy, Sharp, Bickell, etc. But he "fights the last war" instead of jumping in front of the curve. When did the Blackhawks really need "cost certainty?" Was it just last summer when he actually made the moves or could he have seen the need for that years earlier; like right after 2010 moving forward? When did the Blackhawks need to be harder to play against? Last season? Or maybe that could have been seen in their last Cup winning team? Or when could Stan had anticipated that he'd have a problem with aging veterans? Maybe when Q won a cup with only 4 defenders, one of whom, Internet rumors suggest, was laid out on the ground with back issues?

Playoff bound this year or next? Can't make trades for this year -TDL passed.

As far as playoff bound this year, I would question that because Florida is hot right now, one point behind Columbus, and has 3 games in hand. On the other hand, Columbus has been struggling.
- 67hawks

This year per the last time I checked the standings. You are right though, they have to push to stay in the picture.

I would also think they are going to be in contention for the next few years. Nice young roster: Norris-caliber defensemen, strong prospects, good goalie? I like that team.

the biggest problem with the roster (not the organization), assuming crawford is back and healthy next year, is the defense. that being the case, the obvious biggest problem of the organization is the pathetic stan bowman. this is the man who in 8+ years as the general manager has added ONE top four defenseman, oduya, to the roster through draft choices, trades, international free agent signings, and north american free agent signings. ONE TOP FOUR DMAN IN 8+ YEARS. it is almost impossible to be that futile, but he has pulled it off in spades.

the next biggest organizational problem is quenneville. he was a wonderful coach when he had the horses to play the only style of hockey he knows how to coach, but this team no longer has the ability to be effective playing quenneville's style of hockey. this is not a coach who has figured out you must adapt your system to the talent at hand, not make the talent at hand that doesn't fit your preferred system try to play that system anyway.

this has been a dysfunctional organizational hierarchy, which has been successful because of the excellence of the core players provided by tallon. but the players are no longer excellent and it is time for a real organization. one where a general manager is hired who then hires his head coach and they work together with one mindset to build a team. bowman and quenneville have rarely been on the same page and bowman does not have the stones, cache with upper management, or both to make quenneville coach with bowman's vision of who should play and how they should play.

adding to the mess of the general manager/head coach dysfunctionality is the president not knowing a hockey puck from a hot fudge sundae. mc donough is a saleman of seats, first of all, and secondly a builder of an organization. he is excellent at both, but because of his ignorance of hockey he has not been able to make stability out of the mess that is the bowman/quenneville relationship.

mc donough is obviously not going anywhere so it is time for him to be humble, speak with people he has hopefully developed as hockey resources over the years, and hire a new gm who will have the power to hand pick his head coach and develop a roster with one mindset of how to return to excellence. half measures won't work and trusting bowman to handle the drafts going forward is ludicrous considerng his track record.

What team has the cap space to accept ~$20 mil in players? You are taking bad contracts back out of necessity.
- TexasHawk

Its sarcasm bud.

Kane is going to be in the conversation as one of the best American born players of all time, and is still well within his prime without any major recurring injuries/concussions.

You don't trade him unless he demands out. Or you get an offer that you really can't refuse.
- Slofire94

Look out.......They gave away Panarin. Could Bowman do the same with Kane?
Bowman Broke up the highest scoring line in the NHL for NOTHING. No wonder Kane is upset. He should be. Bowman slapped Kane in the face by favoring Toews in that failed trade while screwing Kane out of the one player he had chemistry with like no one else ever(according to Kane).

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the biggest problem with the roster (not the organization), assuming crawford is back and healthy next year, is the defense. that being the case, the obvious biggest problem of the organization is the pathetic stan bowman. this is the man who in 8+ years as the general manager has added ONE top four defenseman, oduya, to the roster through draft choices, trades, international free agent signings, and north american free agent signings. ONE TOP FOUR DMAN IN 8+ YEARS. it is almost impossible to be that futile, but he has pulled it off in spades.

the next biggest organizational problem is quenneville. he was a wonderful coach when he had the horses to play the only style of hockey he knows how to coach, but this team no longer has the ability to be effective playing quenneville's style of hockey. this is not a coach who has figured out you must adapt your system to the talent at hand, not make the talent at hand that doesn't fit your preferred system try to play that system anyway.

this has been a dysfunctional organizational hierarchy, which has been successful because of the excellence of the core players provided by tallon. but the players are no longer excellent and it is time for a real organization. one where a general manager is hired who then hires his head coach and they work together with one mindset to build a team. bowman and quenneville have rarely been on the same page and bowman does not have the stones, cache with upper management, or both to make quenneville coach with bowman's vision of who should play and how they should play.

adding to the mess of the general manager/head coach dysfunctionality is the president not knowing a hockey puck from a hot fudge sundae. mc donough is a saleman of seats, first of all, and secondly a builder of an organization. he is excellent at both, but because of his ignorance of hockey he has not been able to make stability out of the mess that is the bowman/quenneville relationship.

mc donough is obviously not going anywhere so it is time for him to be humble, speak with people he has hopefully developed as hockey resources over the years, and hire a new gm who will have the power to hand pick his head coach and develop a roster with one mindset of how to return to excellence. half measures won't work and trusting bowman to handle the drafts going forward is ludicrous considerng his track record.
- hawks29

that's an interesting way to look at it.

the biggest problem with the roster (not the organization), assuming crawford is back and healthy next year, is the defense. that being the case, the obvious biggest problem of the organization is the pathetic stan bowman. this is the man who in 8+ years as the general manager has added ONE top four defenseman, oduya, to the roster through draft choices, trades, international free agent signings, and north american free agent signings. ONE TOP FOUR DMAN IN 8+ YEARS. it is almost impossible to be that futile, but he has pulled it off in spades.

the next biggest organizational problem is quenneville. he was a wonderful coach when he had the horses to play the only style of hockey he knows how to coach, but this team no longer has the ability to be effective playing quenneville's style of hockey. this is not a coach who has figured out you must adapt your system to the talent at hand, not make the talent at hand that doesn't fit your preferred system try to play that system anyway.

this has been a dysfunctional organizational hierarchy, which has been successful because of the excellence of the core players provided by tallon. but the players are no longer excellent and it is time for a real organization. one where a general manager is hired who then hires his head coach and they work together with one mindset to build a team. bowman and quenneville have rarely been on the same page and bowman does not have the stones, cache with upper management, or both to make quenneville coach with bowman's vision of who should play and how they should play.

adding to the mess of the general manager/head coach dysfunctionality is the president not knowing a hockey puck from a hot fudge sundae. mc donough is a saleman of seats, first of all, and secondly a builder of an organization. he is excellent at both, but because of his ignorance of hockey he has not been able to make stability out of the mess that is the bowman/quenneville relationship.

mc donough is obviously not going anywhere so it is time for him to be humble, speak with people he has hopefully developed as hockey resources over the years, and hire a new gm who will have the power to hand pick his head coach and develop a roster with one mindset of how to return to excellence. half measures won't work and trusting bowman to handle the drafts going forward is ludicrous considerng his track record.
- hawks29

i think this is spot-on…………all of it

$5.5 million per for five more years for a 35 year old defenseman having his worst offensive year in a decade?

Hard pass. And I like Keith. A lot.
- BINGO!

Unless you’re a team with plenty of cap space but more worried about actually salary going out:

Run and Gun style of Defense? That's never been this team's style. Yeah the defense would jump in on the offensive end, but you would never mistake this team for the Larry Robinson, Guy LaPointe Canadiens. Run and Gun got Leddy traded.

Gretzky was pretty good here 21 pts in 18 games and lead the Blues in the playoffs with 16 pts in 13 games. The story goes Keenan offered him 3 years in April basically a handshake deal. Then Keenan and 99 started fighting during the playoffs and Keenan then took away the offer. The rest was history.
- cuethenoise

Apparently Gretzky had or wanted Season’s Tickets for the Cardinals and was committed to St. Louis moving forward. Way to go.

Its sarcasm bud.
- riozzo

It was another dumb staged fight that keeps hockey as a niche sport many people mock instead of talking about the superior talent and skill of these guys. It also places two important players to their teams at risk. IDI-ODIC...TOALLY foolish. The sport itself is risky enough without adding doing dumb poop to the mix. Its like the Steelers told Big Ben to wear your damn helmet when you ride your motorcycle. Even though PA has no law requiring it the Steelers told him to be smart and protect yourself...thats the Steelers protecting their own investment. If someone is paying me millions of dollars to play a game for them YEA I'll wear a goddamn helmet. Moreover I won't do dumb poop on the ice that also forces unnecessary risk to my livlihood and to the organization that invests so much in me.

DUMB DUMB DUMB fight...Maybe Toews did the fight so maybe he could get hurt and just end this season for himself already
- kwolf68

Stop crying, this is the most pathetic response I've ever heard. It was by no means a staged fight (I hate that term) Any fight off the faceoff isn't staged kesler grabbed him and it pissed him off stop crying about it. The fact there are fewer fights then ever now is why hockey is struggling rating wise.