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ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 2 @ 2:15 PM ET
I think they play the kids the drafts and try and sign a star to a humble deal along the way...I thought this article is a good framework:

https://theathletic.com/257759/?shared_by=45633

- wiz1901


Great write ups on your draftsite.com Wiz. I'd love for the Hawks to be able to get any of the top 6. Zadina would be a great complement to Kane, seems to have talent reminiscent of Hossa around the net. I tried thinking of anyone else to compare him to, but honestly Hossa stood out the most around the net. He does that thing where he glides and uses one skate to adjust his angle. The super long reach here reminded me of Hossa: https://www.youtube.com/w...tch?v=ltYa3slJEQ8#t=2m54s

I doubt the rest of his game is anything like Hossa, but this bit reminded me of him.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Mar 2 @ 2:19 PM ET
"I had chemistry with a player like I never had chemistry with anyone before. That player's gone now." -Patrick Kane talking about Artemi Panarin.


Good thing the Hawks got rid of that 70 point "lazy and soft" Russian for the bigger "playoff player" Saad and his 34 point pace in 82 games...oh wait, the Hawks are now in the NHL's basement. Stan Bowman HAS GOT TO GO! This team is an absolute disgrace.

If 45 year old Rick Nash got the trade package that NYR received from Boston, imagine what Panarin would have fetched at the 2019 Trade Deadline? We get an AHL goalie and 34 point winger making $6mil for the next 5 years. I'm sorry but Brandon Saad and Jonathan Toews need to STOP playing on the same line. That is a $16.5mil third line that produces absolutely no offense.

- EnzoD


Panarin is scoring at a 68 point pace with no help. I don't blame Kane for being pissed. Incompetent Bowman never replaced Panarin's presence or point production allowing other teams to focus solely on Kane. Just great. As long as other teams have GM's who might not be the best but are alive enough to at least breathe on their own Bowman's trades are going to continue to be big losers.
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Mar 2 @ 2:23 PM ET
I'm glad the Icehogs are doing well, winning pedigree and all that stuff, but how many of those guys will actually make it to the NHL and stay for a while?
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Mar 2 @ 2:32 PM ET
I cringe whenever I hear them say that, trying to imitate neighborhood guys. I grew up on the west side and I never heard anybody say three-thirty-three like that. The only thing that came close was when people would ask people if they were going to the one, two, three disco at Diversey and Central. It would come out as "Are you going to the tree?"
- tim62b


I don't think that's who he's imitating. Not a fan either, but I think it's supposed to be French Canadian, not a Chicagoan.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Mar 2 @ 2:36 PM ET
What we are all missing sight of is the cycle game - completely gone. now is all about board battles that we suck at...
- riozzo



Well put!
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Mar 2 @ 2:47 PM ET
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2018/
Well, Oliver Wahlstrom has committed to Harvard,
Brady Tkachuk is going to Boston University,
Quinton Hughes is already at Michigan
Joel Farabee is committed to Boston University,
Bode Wilde to Harvard University,
Mattias Samuelsson committed to the University of Michigan
K'Andre Miller ommitted to the University of Minnesota
and all these players are close to first round, or definite off the board.

If a youngster decides to play in one of the three major CHL junior leagues, he is NOT eligible for college.

I agree that this IS a concern of mine, but do you REALLY think a team is going to have such a bad image about their organization, that they by-pass a prospect because he may walk away from them?

But I am willing to play the mental gymnastics with you, so lets use last year's 2017 results:

Did Casey Mittelstadt last to pick seven Buffalo because the teams ahead were afraid he wouldn't sign with them or was it his lack of solid training regime stats at the pre-draft tire kick?
Why wasn't Buffalo afraid, since they are in a position where I would consider signing elsewhere,lol!
Josh Norris was picked by San Jose, despite being committed to the University of Michigan. Granted I had him as a second rounder in my mock b/c he isn't gonna score a whole lot, imo.

dallas was happy to give the Hawks an extra pick to move up and select Jake Oettinger, who basically took steps backward in college this year, let alone them seemingly being worried if he signs...

Eeli Tolvanen committed to Boston, got picked by Nashville and wormed out of the commit to play in Finland instead...did HIS "commitment lead to him being there late in the first? Maybe.

So I am not sure the teams will shy away, maybe they will ask in the pre-draft interview process if the player would be interested in playing for THEIR organization..

I spent some time somewhere on the-rink talking about this draft class and how it might be Christmas for more than one team in the top ten, because teams are already falling in love with guys and gonna draft them, maybe earlier than we expect....

- wiz1901


So Wiz, lets say the beloved are picking 5th for arguments sake, who would be a few kids (who are not going NCAA route) you would tee up?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Mar 2 @ 2:50 PM ET
I'm glad the Icehogs are doing well, winning pedigree and all that stuff, but how many of those guys will actually make it to the NHL and stay for a while?
- matt_ahrens

http://icehogs.com/team/players/

My guess from the current Ice Hogs who fit both descriptions (make it to the NHL and have staying power):

FORWARD: Hayden (definite), Knott (maybe)
BLUELINE: Forsling (definite), Snuggerud (maybe)

Everyone else would likely get a cup of tea here and there or not make it at all.

Of the Hogs who are currently on the Hawks roster, Kampf and Hinostroza are definite in my book and possibly even Highmore. Don't see Gustafsson or Dahlstrom being long-term solutions on defense, possibly just place holders until more skilled and defensively sound prospects develop and make the team (fingers crossed), i.e. Jokiharju, Mitchell, Krys, Carlsson, Tuulola, etc.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Mar 2 @ 3:09 PM ET
I don't think that's who he's imitating. Not a fan either, but I think it's supposed to be French Canadian, not a Chicagoan.
- HawkintheD


I think it is so broad it is just silly - really am I supposed to feel guilt over this now?
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Mar 2 @ 3:19 PM ET
I think it is so broad it is just silly - really am I supposed to feel guilt over this now?
- Z3Hawk

Yes. Guilt. Guilt and shame.
CTblackhawkfan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hamden, CT
Joined: 06.14.2013

Mar 2 @ 3:31 PM ET
Go look at mine as as many as 16 guys considered defenseman could go in the first round.
I have profiles written for the top ten, and maybe if I got off this board now, I good put more up.

There are seven defenders who could go early AFTER the best one Dahlin.

Everybody is lighting candles that their team wins the lottery because he is a decade plus player, Erik Karlsson plus ability, and big fluid and plays aggressively angry but in control.

But teams are spending lots of time watching all the rest of the defenders because in the same way LA's Doughty was watched over and over as a almost six footer, to see how he handled every game situation (and obviously raised teams besides the Kings rankings) and rose to #2 overall....well, there is so much to like in this think defense prospects group, it is difficult to say they all fail, so you have to figure that the teams are gonna micro analyze the upside on the kids and a team or two ISA GOING To win the draft and not be picking 1, 2, or 3...

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2018/

- wiz1901


Wiz, Love your site ! Yours is my go to site ! I think I just had read about him on the other site and it was fresh in my head, It will be great if we can hit both # 1's out of the park at this draft , Thank you !
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Mar 2 @ 3:57 PM ET
Does anyone know if there are any worthy UFA D-Men this summer (for throwing a big fat 6 year deal to)?
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Mar 2 @ 3:58 PM ET
Ranking the '17-'18 performance of defensemen on the Blackhawk roster, plus Ice Hogs that played with the Blackhawks:

1. Keith
2. Seabrook - this is more about the other's lack of talent than his performance
3. Franson
4. Rutta
5. Forsling
6. Rozsival - yes, he's still better than the ones below him
7. Murphy
8. Gustafson
9. Oesterle - a big part of the reason Keith sucks is dragging this anchor around
10. Dahlstrom - he has no clue, as evidenced by last night's 1st period

Clendening & Svedberg would both be below 7th
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Mar 2 @ 4:03 PM ET
Does anyone know if there are any worthy UFA D-Men this summer (for throwing a big fat 6 year deal to)?
- Popsghostly


Just found a Hockey News Article.

Carlson, Green, Chara, Gudbranson and Johnson. Not looking good.

I can't find Panarin on the list for some reason. Are there any D like Panarin; that is, not on the list?
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Mar 2 @ 4:11 PM ET
Yes. Guilt. Guilt and shame.
- Rota's Rooter


I’ll add it to the List.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 2 @ 4:25 PM ET
Today's lines: (per Lazerus)

Saad-Toews-Kane
Jurco-Anisimov-Duclair
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Hinostroza
Sharp-Kampf-Highmore

Keith-Murphy
Gustafsson-Seabrook
Dahlstrom-Oesterle

Not that it matters at all anymore, but it would be interesting to see if that top line could stay together for few games and get something going offensively. Just to see a minor glimmer that all is not completely lost.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Mar 2 @ 4:30 PM ET
Today's lines: (per Lazerus)

Saad-Toews-Kane
Jurco-Anisimov-Duclair
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Hinostroza
Sharp-Kampf-Highmore

Keith-Murphy
Gustafsson-Seabrook
Dahlstrom-Oesterle

Not that it matters at all anymore, but it would be interesting to see if that top line could stay together for few games and get something going offensively. Just to see a minor glimmer that all is not completely lost.

- Chunk


Good to see Kane paired with 2 decent line mates. Don't want to send him into the off season any more frustrated than he already is.

I'm sure that AA is just thrilled though.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Mar 2 @ 4:32 PM ET
I think it is so broad it is just silly - really am I supposed to feel guilt over this now?
- Z3Hawk


Guilt for what, it's Foley's voice antics. Not sure he should feel guilt either...maybe inadequecy since it fails to deliver as far as humor goes.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Mar 2 @ 4:39 PM ET
Good to see Kane paired with 2 decent line mates. Don't want to send him into the off season any more frustrated than he already is.

I'm sure that AA is just thrilled though.

- 67hawks


Let's hope they do well... Really well. The more AA and DuClair put up garbage points, the more their trade value might be on draft day. I guess that goes for Saad too.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 2 @ 4:41 PM ET
Good to see Kane paired with 2 decent line mates. Don't want to send him into the off season any more frustrated than he already is.

I'm sure that AA is just thrilled though.

- 67hawks


When they made the Hartman, Wingels and Bouma moves, everyone knew they did not expect to be overly competitive the rest of the year. I know those guys aren't world beaters, but you now have absolutely no one that will willingly forecheck and go to the front of the net (ok, I'll give you AA). My hope for the rest of the year is that they are competitive enough to actually get an evaluation on the young guys playing.

Like many others have said here, our D is atrocious. I doubt rearranging this bunch will amount to much, but again, hopefully we get something useful playing out the string.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Mar 2 @ 5:12 PM ET
After watching the game yesterday which was painful the frustrating part is this team doesn't have a lot of exciting things to look forward to.
Toews and Seabrook going through the motions you'd think with how bad the season going some frustration would show. But nope it looks like they don't care. They should be playing with a chip on the shoulder.
Keith started to last night you can tell he was embarrassed they left berube get shelled.
We have speed big whoop you got to have fire hockey iq and skill. We are no longer a puck possession team.
This team needs a major shake up and if q can't light a fire under them tomorrow night he's gotta go. I didn't see any player with much push back besides Keith.
I'm not gonna beat a dead horse with how much toughness we are lacking. But the lamoreux sisters would bully us and easily be the two toughest players on the team. If we are going to tank might as well call some physical players up or aquire some and call up Hayden in the least.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Mar 2 @ 5:16 PM ET
Today's lines: (per Lazerus)

Saad-Toews-Kane
Jurco-Anisimov-Duclair
DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Hinostroza
Sharp-Kampf-Highmore

Keith-Murphy
Gustafsson-Seabrook
Dahlstrom-Oesterle

Not that it matters at all anymore, but it would be interesting to see if that top line could stay together for few games and get something going offensively. Just to see a minor glimmer that all is not completely lost.

- Chunk


Hmmmm something is amiss. There are 2 left-handed D and 2 right-handed D in the top 2 pairs and they are paired LR and LR. Did I just see a flying pig?
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Mar 2 @ 5:18 PM ET
After watching the game yesterday which was painful the frustrating part is this team doesn't have a lot of exciting things to look forward to.
Toews and Seabrook going through the motions you'd think with how bad the season going some frustration would show. But nope it looks like they don't care. They should be playing with a chip on the shoulder.
Keith started to last night you can tell he was embarrassed they left berube get shelled.
We have speed big whoop you got to have fire hockey iq and skill. We are no longer a puck possession team.
This team needs a major shake up and if q can't light a fire under them tomorrow night he's gotta go. I didn't see any player with much push back besides Keith.
I'm not gonna beat a dead horse with how much toughness we are lacking. But the lamoreux sisters would bully us and easily be the two toughest players on the team. If we are going to tank might as well call some physical players up or aquire some and call up Hayden in the least.

- vandymeer23


a very few times a game we do the cool cycle thing which generates some good chances...otherwise, its just enter zone, pass, pass, low % shot, get back on D to contain an odd man rush. Not the hockey we saw 2009-2015
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 2 @ 5:20 PM ET
After watching the game yesterday which was painful the frustrating part is this team doesn't have a lot of exciting things to look forward to.
Toews and Seabrook going through the motions you'd think with how bad the season going some frustration would show. But nope it looks like they don't care. They should be playing with a chip on the shoulder.
Keith started to last night you can tell he was embarrassed they left berube get shelled.
We have speed big whoop you got to have fire hockey iq and skill. We are no longer a puck possession team.
This team needs a major shake up and if q can't light a fire under them tomorrow night he's gotta go. I didn't see any player with much push back besides Keith.
I'm not gonna beat a dead horse with how much toughness we are lacking. But the lamoreux sisters would bully us and easily be the two toughest players on the team. If we are going to tank might as well call some physical players up or aquire some and call up Hayden in the least.

- vandymeer23


Exactly correct. If Hayden is in the plans for the team next season, he should be getting playing time in the NHL. Same thing with Forsling and Forsberg (who should be playing every game).

Saad-Toews-Hinostroza
Hayden-Anisimov-Kane
Debrincat-Schmaltz-Duclair
Highmore-Kampf-Sharp/Jurco

Keith-Murphy
Forsling-Seabrook
Gustafson/Oesterle-Rutta/Dahlstrom

Forsberg
Berube
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Mar 2 @ 5:27 PM ET
My lineup for the rest of the year
12 15 88 let Jane and cat build chemistry if anisimov isn't traded at the draft then see if he gels.
36 19 48 Highmore showed hustle but can he throw a check will see bunny can fly but has stopped being physical like he should as well as toews it is contact hockey.
20 8 91 Saad has been disappointing so has duclair I can see why he was traded multiple times all ready. Schmaltz has skill but has struggled with effort and turnovers a push over defensively.
The 4th get someone physical minor league free agent tough guy who wants a shot in the show or at the least Hayden. With Kampf to see if he can handle 4th line duties and sharp. It's his last year make it clear to him he should be playing with maximum effort. Jurco send him to the ahl he sucks.
Defensively I have seen enough of Gustafson and dahlstrom they were brutal. Ahl quality at best dahlstrom is one of the least physical big men I've seen and goose is a turnover machine. Osterle is garbage that's why the oilers didn't want him.
Keith and Murphy
svedberg forsling or snuggard called up to play with Seabrook.
Call up franson to play with rutta to see who you want going forward on d.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Mar 2 @ 6:19 PM ET
My lineup for the rest of the year
12 15 88 let Jane and cat build chemistry if anisimov isn't traded at the draft then see if he gels.
36 19 48 Highmore showed hustle but can he throw a check will see bunny can fly but has stopped being physical like he should as well as toews it is contact hockey.
20 8 91 Saad has been disappointing so has duclair I can see why he was traded multiple times all ready. Schmaltz has skill but has struggled with effort and turnovers a push over defensively.
The 4th get someone physical minor league free agent tough guy who wants a shot in the show or at the least Hayden. With Kampf to see if he can handle 4th line duties and sharp. It's his last year make it clear to him he should be playing with maximum effort. Jurco send him to the ahl he sucks.
Defensively I have seen enough of Gustafson and dahlstrom they were brutal. Ahl quality at best dahlstrom is one of the least physical big men I've seen and goose is a turnover machine. Osterle is garbage that's why the oilers didn't want him.
Keith and Murphy
svedberg forsling or snuggard called up to play with Seabrook.
Call up franson to play with rutta to see who you want going forward on d.

- vandymeer23



The D play was a total train wreck, but the whole team looked unplugged.
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