Sounds like another Crawford

https://www.nhl.com/news/...th-concussion/c-296417752
- pdx2ord

Malkin run into him too?

Forward group is not an issue, especially with the additions of Hayden, Sikura (if the hype is legit), and the growth of Vinny to almost. 60 point full season scoring pace. Debrincat and Schmaltz have been great for their 1st and 2nd seasons and you see flashes of ability with Duclair (but want more consistency). Kampf looks to be a legit 200ft bottom 6 center. All that is great but there NEEDS to be significant changes on the backend.

Keith-??
??-Murphy
??-Seabrook

Filling in those ??s with some combination of the same guys from this year and why would you expect much different results? Maybe Forsling takes another step forward or Jokiharju shows he's a real high end talent and makes the team. There are going to still be huge growing pains with the guys in the system back there again. Combine that with Seabrook's deficiencies, Murphy is still questionable at times, and Keith will be 35....Im expecting another Non-playoff year. That's not even considering the goalie situation.....
- EnzoD

The D-core isn't really close. To even make the playoffs next year they'd have to change the system up (like the pens did with a weaker d-core). Attack in waves, forwards cover back, and get back before an odd man rush happens. They kind of did that this year, but neglected to get back before the odd man rushes a lot of the time. That's gonna need speed and good zone deployment. Seabs can't be left hung out to dry on the blue line all the time because he's not fast enough to get back. They are going to want to choose between Gustafsson or Oesterle (I'd choose Gus after his last few games, but let's see what he can do consistently). Forsling needs to grow, he's only 21. Keith can be a top pair guy if he's not playing with a kid. We need at least 2 responsible d-men with decent speed. That's a tall order in this D starved league.

Forward group is not an issue, especially with the additions of Hayden, Sikura (if the hype is legit), and the growth of Vinny to almost. 60 point full season scoring pace. Debrincat and Schmaltz have been great for their 1st and 2nd seasons and you see flashes of ability with Duclair (but want more consistency). Kampf looks to be a legit 200ft bottom 6 center. All that is great but there NEEDS to be significant changes on the backend.

Keith-??
??-Murphy
??-Seabrook

Filling in those ??s with some combination of the same guys from this year and why would you expect much different results? Maybe Forsling takes another step forward or Jokiharju shows he's a real high end talent and makes the team. There are going to still be huge growing pains with the guys in the system back there again. Combine that with Seabrook's deficiencies, Murphy is still questionable at times, and Keith will be 35....Im expecting another Non-playoff year. That's not even considering the goalie situation.....
- EnzoD

Count me as one who does not like Duclair that much, but he does have elite speed and some skill. A full season in the Hawks bunker may do him some good so I'll wait.

The Defense is atrocious. Masked by an offensive group who actually carried most of the play and when healthy Crawdaddy. Defense must get fixed or next year will be no different. I agree with your assessment, we need 3 other D-men in there, only 2 if Forsling can step up. Next year is a big year for him.

Forward group is not an issue, especially with the additions of Hayden, Sikura (if the hype is legit), and the growth of Vinny to almost. 60 point full season scoring pace. Debrincat and Schmaltz have been great for their 1st and 2nd seasons and you see flashes of ability with Duclair (but want more consistency). Kampf looks to be a legit 200ft bottom 6 center. All that is great but there NEEDS to be significant changes on the backend.

Keith-??
??-Murphy
??-Seabrook

Filling in those ??s with some combination of the same guys from this year and why would you expect much different results? Maybe Forsling takes another step forward or Jokiharju shows he's a real high end talent and makes the team. There are going to still be huge growing pains with the guys in the system back there again. Combine that with Seabrook's deficiencies, Murphy is still questionable at times, and Keith will be 35....Im expecting another Non-playoff year. That's not even considering the goalie situation.....
- EnzoD

Wonder if Darren Raddysh will be ready to come up next year? Pretty solid year in the Rock. 5g/11a and is a +9. Good size too at 601/200. I also think we see Rutta improve next year.

Wonder if Darren Raddysh will be ready to come up next year? Pretty solid year in the Rock. 5g/11a and is a +9. Good size too at 601/200. I also think we see Rutta improve next year.
- z1990z

I like Radysh, but I still am not sure I see any Top 4 guys here. Other than Keith, not one guy screams top 4 to me. If Seabrook will rebound next year and Murphy takes a step up they could be a decent 2nd pairing, but both those guys have to be better next year.

Forsling is my choice to start on the third pairing, while also getting ample powerplay time. That's probably his best bet...take the lighter loads as a third pairing guy but ramp him up for PP. So we need another Top 4 to go w/ Keith and another bottom pair to go with Gus....Raddysh, Rutta are in that equation. But not sold on any of these people yet. Would rather get a proven guy in trade or FA.

Malkin run into him too?
- powerenforcer

Close - his teammate hit him in the head with a puck

I like Radysh, but I still am not sure I see any Top 4 guys here. Other than Keith, not one guy screams top 4 to me. If Seabrook will rebound next year and Murphy takes a step up they could be a decent 2nd pairing, but both those guys have to be better next year.

Forsling is my choice to start on the third pairing, while also getting ample powerplay time. That's probably his best bet...take the lighter loads as a third pairing guy but ramp him up for PP. So we need another Top 4 to go w/ Keith and another bottom pair to go with Gus....Raddysh, Rutta are in that equation. But not sold on any of these people yet. Would rather get a proven guy in trade or FA.
- kwolf68

Also, depending on how high the Hawks draft in the lottery this year, they may select a Dman who has a shot at making the team out of camp. That could change the dynamic of this next season significantly. Unless they can select Tzchuk, one has to believe they HAVE to grab a Dman with their 1st overall selection. Anyone who watches the CHL consistently have thoughts on the Dmen outside of Dahlin making the NHL next year? Bouchard?? Regardless of who is back there, I think we are looking at another development year, with maybe one last shot at a Cup in 2019/20.

Forward group is not an issue, especially with the additions of Hayden, Sikura (if the hype is legit), and the growth of Vinny to almost. 60 point full season scoring pace. Debrincat and Schmaltz have been great for their 1st and 2nd seasons and you see flashes of ability with Duclair (but want more consistency). Kampf looks to be a legit 200ft bottom 6 center. All that is great but there NEEDS to be significant changes on the backend.

Keith-??
??-Murphy
??-Seabrook

Filling in those ??s with some combination of the same guys from this year and why would you expect much different results? Maybe Forsling takes another step forward or Jokiharju shows he's a real high end talent and makes the team. There are going to still be huge growing pains with the guys in the system back there again. Combine that with Seabrook's deficiencies, Murphy is still questionable at times, and Keith will be 35....Im expecting another Non-playoff year. That's not even considering the goalie situation.....
- EnzoD

Yeah I like Kampf. Looks like a younger, better Krueger. I like Hayden as well, shown flashes. Vinnie is a perfect bottom-6 scorer.

We need a kid on D like that Josh Manson. He's a tough customer and has better skill than his Dad. Unfortunately those type guys don't grow on trees... I think though if we get a solid 3-4 we might just be able to reach the playoffs next year especially if Corey and steal a few games. Take 5-6 of those one goal losses or blown leads and we'd still be in the hunt even this year, things Craw could do.

Yeah I like Kampf. Looks like a younger, better Krueger. I like Hayden as well, shown flashes. Vinnie is a perfect bottom-6 scorer.

We need a kid on D like that Josh Manson. He's a tough customer and has better skill than his Dad. Unfortunately those type guys don't grow on trees... I think though if we get a solid 3-4 we might just be able to reach the playoffs next year especially if Corey and steal a few games. Take 5-6 of those one goal losses or blown leads and we'd still be in the hunt even this year, things Craw could do.
- Popsghostly

We had a Manson type. But he is now playing for the Stars.

We had a Manson type. But he is now playing for the Stars.
- z1990z

Manson was a 6th round pick. With our extra picks in the later rounds we need to gamble on D's like this instead of going for some of these obscure Europeans.

Also, depending on how high the Hawks draft in the lottery this year, they may select a Dman who has a shot at making the team out of camp. That could change the dynamic of this next season significantly. Unless they can select Tzchuk, one has to believe they HAVE to grab a Dman with their 1st overall selection. Anyone who watches the CHL consistently have thoughts on the Dmen outside of Dahlin making the NHL next year? Bouchard?? Regardless of who is back there, I think we are looking at another development year, with maybe one last shot at a Cup in 2019/20.
- EnzoD

I live in Spokane and Ty Smith for the Chiefs is rated in the top 15 for North American skaters. He's 5'10 175 lbs as a 17 year old. Set the franchise record for points in a game by a d-man at 7 this season.

i don't know much about Quintin Hughes, Evan Bouchard, or Noah Dobson that are all ranked ahead of him.

Wonder if Darren Raddysh will be ready to come up next year? Pretty solid year in the Rock. 5g/11a and is a +9. Good size too at 601/200. I also think we see Rutta improve next year.
- z1990z

I'm pretty sure he is not Hawk property. He signed a one year deal with the Icehogs. He can shop himself after this season.

I'm pretty sure he is not Hawk property. He signed a one year deal with the Icehogs. He can shop himself after this season.
- Rota's Rooter

Think we should resign him. The D pipe line is zilch. He would have a decent shot and getting some playing time next year considering how awful the current group is.

Yeah I like Kampf. Looks like a younger, better Krueger. I like Hayden as well, shown flashes. Vinnie is a perfect bottom-6 scorer.

We need a kid on D like that Josh Manson. He's a tough customer and has better skill than his Dad. Unfortunately those type guys don't grow on trees... I think though if we get a solid 3-4 we might just be able to reach the playoffs next year especially if Corey and steal a few games. Take 5-6 of those one goal losses or blown leads and we'd still be in the hunt even this year, things Craw could do.
- Popsghostly[/quote


Pops, Connor Murphy was supposed to be “that guy “like Josh Manson. He still may be, down the road but I’m beginning to wonder if that is the coach neutering him. Because his daddy was a tough customer also in the league. He will definitely be put to the test for the rest of the season, because we have no one else in that department to step up immediately.

[quote=Popsghostly]Yeah I like Kampf. Looks like a younger, better Krueger. I like Hayden as well, shown flashes. Vinnie is a perfect bottom-6 scorer.

We need a kid on D like that Josh Manson. He's a tough customer and has better skill than his Dad. Unfortunately those type guys don't grow on trees... I think though if we get a solid 3-4 we might just be able to reach the playoffs next year especially if Corey and steal a few games. Take 5-6 of those one goal losses or blown leads and we'd still be in the hunt even this year, things Craw could do.
- wonthecup10[/quote


Pops, Connor Murphy was supposed to be “that guy “like Josh Manson. He still may be, down the road but I’m beginning to wonder if that is the coach neutering him. Because his daddy was a tough customer also in the league. He will definitely be put to the test for the rest of the season, because we have no one else in that department to step up immediately.

Reading all this stuff and a common theme keeps popping up. That being we need a new plan. A new thought process. A new set of eyes. A change of attitude. A new HC is needed.

[quote=Popsghostly]Yeah I like Kampf. Looks like a younger, better Krueger. I like Hayden as well, shown flashes. Vinnie is a perfect bottom-6 scorer.

We need a kid on D like that Josh Manson. He's a tough customer and has better skill than his Dad. Unfortunately those type guys don't grow on trees... I think though if we get a solid 3-4 we might just be able to reach the playoffs next year especially if Corey and steal a few games. Take 5-6 of those one goal losses or blown leads and we'd still be in the hunt even this year, things Craw could do.
- wonthecup10[/quote


Pops, Connor Murphy was supposed to be “that guy “like Josh Manson. He still may be, down the road but I’m beginning to wonder if that is the coach neutering him. Because his daddy was a tough customer also in the league. He will definitely be put to the test for the rest of the season, because we have no one else in that department to step up immediately.

Right on... Totally forgot about that. The problem with Murphy is, like most of the D this year, is he gets caught out of position. Coaching could fix that and confidence as well, confidence by not being benched. I've seen enough in Murphy that I don't want management to give up on him yet.

In any event, D takes a lot of time to develop. I see flashes in Forsling that remind me of Keith in his early career.

Sounds like another Crawford

https://www.nhl.com/news/...th-concussion/c-296417752
- pdx2ord

Did Malkin take him out too?

Edit: sorry powerenforcer!!

30th overall picks:

2010 - Brock Nelson - 379 games - 178 points (.46 per game)
2011 - Rickard Rackell - 295 games - 180 points (.61 per game)
2012 - Tanner Pearson - 289 games - 133 points (.46 per game)
2013 - Ryan Hartman - 141 games - 57 points (.40 per game)
2014 - John Quenneville - 14 games - 4 points (not useful)

2009 was a D-man (Despres who was great, but too many head injuries). 2008 was a goalie. 2007 was another d-man who never played. Hartmans production is a bit low for a 30th pick. 2018-19 will be a real defining year for him.
- JRoenick97

Rackell is likely the best of all of those, has really picked it up in Anaheim over the last season and a half.

Right on... Totally forgot about that. The problem with Murphy is, like most of the D this year, is he gets caught out of position. Coaching could fix that and confidence as well, confidence by not being benched. I've seen enough in Murphy that I don't want management to give up on him yet.

In any event, D takes a lot of time to develop. I see flashes in Forsling that remind me of Keith in his early career.
- Popsghostly

On this team Manson would have struggled similarly this year

Reading all this stuff and a common theme keeps popping up. That being we need a new plan. A new thought process. A new set of eyes. A change of attitude. A new HC is needed.
- z1990z

Prepare to get attacked by the Q apologists.

On this team Manson would have struggled similarly this year
- 67hawks

Hell with clearing out the crease. Hit that stretch pass!!!!

Prepare to get attacked by the Q apologists.
- 67hawks

I am a recovering Q apologist, I am working on step 9...

Forward group is not an issue, especially with the additions of Hayden, Sikura (if the hype is legit), and the growth of Vinny to almost. 60 point full season scoring pace. Debrincat and Schmaltz have been great for their 1st and 2nd seasons and you see flashes of ability with Duclair (but want more consistency). Kampf looks to be a legit 200ft bottom 6 center. All that is great but there NEEDS to be significant changes on the backend.

Keith-??
??-Murphy
??-Seabrook

Filling in those ??s with some combination of the same guys from this year and why would you expect much different results? Maybe Forsling takes another step forward or Jokiharju shows he's a real high end talent and makes the team. There are going to still be huge growing pains with the guys in the system back there again. Combine that with Seabrook's deficiencies, Murphy is still questionable at times, and Keith will be 35....Im expecting another Non-playoff year. That's not even considering the goalie situation.....
- EnzoD

Yes it is

Who's our 1C? Who's our 2C? The decline of Toews is a MAJOR problem. The center depth and face off winning % are abysmal. Some speed and skill at the wings, but nothing special.

Our forwards aren't that great, but no question the Dcore is worse and right now probably one of the top 5 worst Dcores in the NHL heading into the foreseeable future.

This team top to bottom is trash, and needs a complete tear down and rebuild.

Like I've been saying, move Kane for as much as you can get. This team can't possibly recover and contend in time for Kane to still be in his prime anyways. We're AT LEAST 3 years away.

Forward group is not an issue, especially with the additions of Hayden, Sikura (if the hype is legit), and the growth of Vinny to almost. 60 point full season scoring pace. Debrincat and Schmaltz have been great for their 1st and 2nd seasons and you see flashes of ability with Duclair (but want more consistency). Kampf looks to be a legit 200ft bottom 6 center. All that is great but there NEEDS to be significant changes on the backend.

Keith-??
??-Murphy
??-Seabrook

Filling in those ??s with some combination of the same guys from this year and why would you expect much different results? Maybe Forsling takes another step forward or Jokiharju shows he's a real high end talent and makes the team. There are going to still be huge growing pains with the guys in the system back there again. Combine that with Seabrook's deficiencies, Murphy is still questionable at times, and Keith will be 35....Im expecting another Non-playoff year. That's not even considering the goalie situation.....
- EnzoD

I read some comments on this board questioning whether or not to engage in a rebuild as if there is some sort of choice. This team is not making the playoffs this year. Unless something major - or there are a lot of little - changes, they won't make the playoffs next year either.

I'm wondering what the planning horizon is going to be. Stan sure sounds like a guy who thinks he has a job for the foreseeable future, what kind of roster does he build going into next season? Is it going to be similar to today with an aging core and a bunch of young guys still developing? The hope would be for bounce-back seasons from those who have slipped and leaps forward from the young guys, then maybe add some pieces during the season if the team shows potential - that's my guess.

Or maybe they try to add some veterans to the mix who are still at the top of their games - that's my wish. We'll see.

Either way, I still think the CBA gets reopened before 2019 and they agree to a compliance buyout or two then the Blackhawks let Seabrook go.

- Rota's Rooter

Good reliever when he was with the Sox