Bowman reiterated that the only people who did what was expected of them were the young kids and said, specifically, that that veterans who used to play at a higher level have to figure out how to get back to that level.

Now, how some of them actually do that is a big question.
- pdx2ord

That's great, nothing wrong with holding royalty accountable. Next year will be very interesting

Bowman reiterated that the only people who did what was expected of them were the young kids and said, specifically, that that veterans who used to play at a higher level have to figure out how to get back to that level.

Now, how some of them actually do that is a big question.
- pdx2ord

I am curious to see who among the veterans steps up the plate. Growth isn't necessarily linear for a player. It would be nice to see a bounce-back season out of those core guys.

For this season, it will be interesting how far the organization is willing to tank. Will they hit the bottom?

#Blackhawks call up Matthew Highmore, who just set a Rockford IceHogs franchise record with 21 goals as a rookie.

— Eric Lear (@BHTVeric) February 26, 2018

We’ll be lucky if the big Swede Turns into a Kampf 2.0
- Ogilthorpe2

I like Kampf a lot, solid player. That would be nice and have to figure he must be a pretty good skater playing on the larger rink and holding his own. Time will tell

Why are we perseverating about the Hartman deal so much here? Who here believes that he projects better than the average expected value for a late first-round pick? The Hawks get a do-over on a late first-round pick, they turn a 5th round pick into a 4th round pick, and they get a lotto ticket prospect. All that for a guy that they probably didn't want to give a big raise to this summer. Not the end of the world. This is not the big problem with the team.

Um so some of the Hartman issues may be what he was asking for salary wise. Id suspect the hawks were coming into the 1.7 range over 2 years while he probably wanted more like 2.5 and then lost his mind about ice time and Q and all that jazz.

Meh. Should be interesting to see what he resigns for. The late first is solid since they don't have a 2nd round pick this year and turning a 5th into a 4th is also nice.

Really not a terrible deal.
- fattybeef

Not sure what the problem with the Hartman deal is. He was an RFA that maybe wasn't gonna sign here next year. As an RFA you would have probably gotten a 2nd for him based on what the range he is going to sign for is. As the trade stands you got a 1st, 4th and a player.

They also never missed the playoffs during that time.
Something we're about to do
- Slofire94

Losing Crawford for 50% of the year and playing in the best division in the league hands down has a lot to do with that than some think

I like Kampf a lot, solid player. That would be nice and have to figure he must be a pretty good skater playing on the larger rink and holding his own. Time will tell
- BetweenTheDots

Yessir, Kampf has a motor and goes at it, full shift each shift.

Not sure what the problem with the Hartman deal is. He was an RFA that maybe wasn't gonna sign here next year. As an RFA you would have probably gotten a 2nd for him based on what the range he is going to sign for is. As the trade stands you got a 1st, 4th and a player.
- TheTrob

The problem is you have an aging core, and all this trade gives you is future potential in exchange for a quality known quantity.

We’ll be lucky if the big Swede Turns into a Kampf 2.0
- Ogilthorpe2

What's your deal on insisting that guy is bad? Kampf had 32 points in 51 games in the top Czech league at 22 years old. Edjsell has 30 in 44 games in the top swedish league at the same age. Your bashing him doesn't hold any facts behind it.

Sounds like the Hawks got an Swedish version of Anisimov back in the trade and grabbing a 1st round pick for a guy who has been healthy scratched often would typically be a home run move. This is a good move for Bowman, it would be a great move if it didn't involve a division rival. I feel like I am the only one seeing the irony here of Bowman making huge reactionary moves to the Predators being more physical and aggressive than the Hawks in Round 1 last year and less than one year later Bowman gives the Preds the most physical/aggressive player they have in the Top 9.


Good return for what Hartman has done this year,
- EnzoD

but the Hawks players are not happy he's in the division, I'm willing to bet on that

. They know what kind of player Hartman is to play against. Hawks just got a lot softer and this big Swede seems like a finesse scorer with slow feet based on the scouting report posted here. Time will tell, but Nashville and Winnipeg would be an awesome playoff series to watch. Stasny to the Jets.....wow!

Meh. Hawks are done playing the Preds this season. A lot can change before the next one.

1. Preds pick will be 27-31; essentially a 2nd round pick...no great loss for them; their roster is set at forward for the next 2-3 years

2. willing to look past this dumpster year for hartman; and figure he is 23 and his production will be somewhere between this year and last year if not higher..

3. they have fisher and hartnell as UFA and neither will be back; hartman is nice young replacement

4. preds are deep at center for the next 2-3 years; the big swede center was expendable..

5. hartman will find a nice niche in the preds structure with a 3rd line and maybe 2nd line role; Q screwing around with him at center and up and down the lines didn't help hartman
- bogiedoc

So let's hope for a first round upset of the Press so that pick will be much higher.

The problem is you have an aging core, and all this trade gives you is future potential in exchange for a quality known quantity.
- Ogilthorpe2

True Ogi, but again, If Bowman/Q are staying, and they probably are, Hartman didn't need to sign here, and if relations had gotten as contentious as people seem to be saying, he wasn't going to sign here, so what you received is way more than you would have after the season when an offer sheet would have only returned a 2nd.

Not sure what the problem with the Hartman deal is. He was an RFA that maybe wasn't gonna sign here next year. As an RFA you would have probably gotten a 2nd for him based on what the range he is going to sign for is. As the trade stands you got a 1st, 4th and a player.
- TheTrob

You also got a few years of developing a player who never became what you hoped he could be. Some nice signs last season dashed this year. I say blame both Q and Hartman

So it is Iike taking a beat up old car, service -able but really not all too desirable since his draft year.Br a usr he spent most of his time in the Chicago organization to develop into t he pla yet you want but only saefor a while in spurts last season. Now you re do. Hip hip hurrah

Why are we perseverating about the Hartman deal so much here? Who here believes that he projects better than the average expected value for a late first-round pick? The Hawks get a do-over on a late first-round pick, they turn a 5th round pick into a 4th round pick, and they get a lotto ticket prospect. All that for a guy that they probably didn't want to give a big raise to this summer. Not the end of the world. This is not the big problem with the team.
- 333inthe3rd

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A redo on a late first round pick will likely not help this team on the ice for several years. The core’s not getting any younger.

So let's hope for a first round upset of the Press so that pick will be much higher.
- RaleighHawk

yep...but i doubt it...

listening to Q ya think they moved hartman for his and the preds benefit...completely rain away from the issue of his benching the other night

If the trade is as terrific for the Hawks as many think then Poile who is no fool must have wanted Hartman pretty badly. Reasons?
- Savoy

The preds wanted a type of player they didn't have so the hawks traded him to get a player they don't have in the center as well as the picks.

Isn't the reason to draft players is to either get them to the big club or send them off for what you need

Meh. Hawks are done playing the Preds this season. A lot can change before the next one.
- Rota's Rooter

Also the Swede is a power forward who drives the net, not a finesse guy. Leads his team in hits.

#Blackhawks call up Matthew Highmore, who just set a Rockford IceHogs franchise record with 21 goals as a rookie.

— Eric Lear (@BHTVeric) February 26, 2018

- DarthKane

I believe Hawks still have room to recall 1 more player but not sure the hold up. Hayden should be on his way up.

Apparently Poile figured out that he was so much way better off with Hartman than the Swedish kid who was Nashville's 10th rated top prospect (my goodness that's a really low rating). In fact so much so that he was willing to quickly give up a first round draft choice in order to cement the act of dumping, I mean trading this kid on Chicago. I only hope it ends up working out for us somehow.

http://mynhltraderumors.c...ors-prospects/2018/02/14/

What's your deal on insisting that guy is bad? Kampf had 32 points in 51 games in the top Czech league at 22 years old. Edjsell has 30 in 44 games in the top swedish league at the same age. Your bashing him doesn't hold any facts behind it.
- JRoenick97

The elite players tend to gravitate to North America before they are 23. Kampf is a nice player...I actually like him a lot....but we don’t need another one.

I’d rather have Hartman and a real coach, than a B prospect and Q.

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A redo on a late first round pick will likely not help this team on the ice for several years. The core’s not getting any younger.
- Ogilthorpe2

Then the argument is trade him for another developed player. Was that possible? And would it give the team a chance in the now?

The elite players tend to gravitate to North America before they are 23. Kampf is a nice player...I actually like him a lot....but we don’t need another one.

I’d rather have Hartman and a real coach, than a B prospect and Q.
- Ogilthorpe2

I didn't know the NHLs second most winning coach in history wasn't a real coach. My mistake.

I know Q has his quirks, but to say he's not a real coach is beyond ignorant. Nobody outside of grumpy Hawks fans think that.

Also, that Swede guy was lost in the lower league of the Swedish Hockey system until he lit up the second league. He just never played Juniors so he wasn't on a radar.

Unless Stan made a gentleman's agreement with Wingels to sign him in the off-season, I think that trading him for a 2019 5th rounder is a slap in the face considering how hard the guy has worked this year.

So how much does Hartman help him win now? What does he know or think he knows? He's a pretty astute guy.
- Savoy

Yes very astute. Remind me again how many cups he’s won.