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kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:01 PM ET
I'm pretty much fine with Komarov until another RW is unmistakably beating down the door to take his place. And I'm really happy with Trotz, obviously. But, damn, I'm absolutely going to rip Komarov for placing his shootout attempt into a different timezone, and I don't think it's blasphemy to criticize Trotz for putting him in that spot...or for doing things like playing Cornhackle in the top six.
- UIF


Even I said he shouldn’t be in the shootout but every islander sucks in the shootout. And moose knuckle should be a bottom six forward at best
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: Former star of the popular 'Meat Spin' video , NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:01 PM ET
I didn’t say everything never said that at all. I said he has better knowledge of the sort and players than you.
- kasperrko

And you. So don't you think the fact that Trotz uses analytics as a tool makes them at least kinda relevant? Unless Trotz's parents live on Long Island and he dwells in their basement.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Dec 12 @ 12:02 PM ET
Ok he wasn’t signed to be the next ovechkin
- kasperrko


I am not looking for OV. I loved Kulemin and Leo was supposed to be the same type of player. He kills penalties and blocks shots.. i get that .. but he has been set up so many times point blank that he is driving me nuts. I hope he starts scoring on those chances and you can call me out on it.. but as of right now Matt Martin is finishing great feeds better than Leo.. and that is not a good thing (I can't find the clip of him missing that awesome pass by Filppula right in the slot in a tie game).

eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: Former star of the popular 'Meat Spin' video , NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:02 PM ET
David Schoen 📰 🗞 🏒
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Marc-Andre Fleury is the first goaltender off the ice at Golden Knights morning skate. He's the probable starter vs Islanders. #VegasBorn
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:03 PM ET
And you. So don't you think the fact that Trotz uses analytics as a tool makes them at least kinda relevant? Unless Trotz's parents live on Long Island and he dwells in their basement.
- eichiefs9


Little not much. Again sorry these numbers are nonsense and does not make a player at all. Anybody can have an amazing game on any night and those numbers change. So again nonsense
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:03 PM ET
"Fair" as in mediocre?
- JohnScammo

Very mediocre fair
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:04 PM ET
I am not looking for OV. I loved Kulemin and Leo was supposed to be the same type of player. He kills penalties and blocks shots.. i get that .. but he has been set up so many times point blank that he is driving me nuts. I hope he starts scoring on those chances and you can call me out on it.. but as of right now Matt Martin is finishing great feeds better than Leo.. and that is not a good thing (I can't find the clip of him missing that awesome pass by Filppula right in the slot in a tie game).
- niteislander


Ok granted that could be frustrating. I just don’t expect him to score much
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:04 PM ET
David Schoen 📰 🗞 🏒
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4m4 minutes ago

Marc-Andre Fleury is the first goaltender off the ice at Golden Knights morning skate. He's the probable starter vs Islanders. #VegasBorn

- eichiefs9

kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:05 PM ET
David Schoen 📰 🗞 🏒
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4m4 minutes ago

Marc-Andre Fleury is the first goaltender off the ice at Golden Knights morning skate. He's the probable starter vs Islanders. #VegasBorn

- eichiefs9


I rather him play then some rookie. Then the islanders really won’t score
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Dec 12 @ 12:05 PM ET
Very mediocre fair
- Upstate_isles

Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:05 PM ET
Ok i posted trotz view on stats on here last week, uaes them as a tool but there are many other factors. Made total sense the way he said it
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: Former star of the popular 'Meat Spin' video , NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:06 PM ET
Little not much. Again sorry these numbers are nonsense and does not make a player at all. Anybody can have an amazing game on any night and those numbers change. So again nonsense
- kasperrko

Of course they do Everything changes on a nightly basis, that's why people don't use one-game sample sizes to evaluate anything

You don't have to like them but you don't even have a remotely fundamental understanding of how any of them work...yet you seem to be really sure that they're useless. Not understanding something doesn't make that thing flawed.
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:08 PM ET
I'm pretty much fine with Komarov until another RW is unmistakably beating down the door to take his place. And I'm really happy with Trotz, obviously. But, damn, I'm absolutely going to rip Komarov for placing his shootout attempt into a different timezone, and I don't think it's blasphemy to criticize Trotz for putting him in that spot...or for doing things like playing Cornhackle in the top six.
- UIF


Whether it's Cappy, Trotz, Al, or Scotty Bowman, they will get criticized for some of these moves. Does not mean fans are not thrilled having Barry as coach.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:11 PM ET
Whether it's Cappy, Trotz, Al, or Scotty Bowman, they will get criticized for some of these moves. Does not mean fans are not thrilled having Barry as coach.
- ses111


I am just happy to have a coach who actually knows what hockey is.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:12 PM ET
Of course they do Everything changes on a nightly basis, that's why people don't use one-game sample sizes to evaluate anything

You don't have to like them but you don't even have a remotely fundamental understanding of how any of them work...yet you seem to be really sure that they're useless. Not understanding something doesn't make that thing flawed.

- eichiefs9


True I just don’t think that a huge sample side is needed. It’s not 100 percent accurate
Wildschwein
Location: Jumping ship from the Oil to the Isles is like jumping from the Titanic directly onto the Bismark
Joined: 11.17.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:13 PM ET
Again who cares. Those numbers are crap and for nerds who loon to deep into things. It doesn’t mean anything.
- kasperrko


Advanced stats are not the be all and end all, on that we agree. But some of them are a useful tool when used properly, especially in conjunction with the eye test.
When used improperly they also can be an impediment in rational judgment. James Tanner is a prime example of this.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
Advanced stats are not the be all and end all, on that we agree. But some of them are a useful tool when used properly, especially in conjunction with the eye test.
When used improperly they also can be an impediment in rational judgment. James Tanner is a prime example of this.

- Wildschwein

Are you guys going to make me look up the Trotz quote? He nailed the use and how they are skewed at times and why they tell a story but you have to see it
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: Former star of the popular 'Meat Spin' video , NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:17 PM ET
True I just don’t think that a huge sample side is needed. It’s not 100 percent accurate
- kasperrko

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but didn't your post that I quoted literally just argue against small sample sizes? Now you're saying big ones are useless too?

A big sample size literally prevents things like luck and game-by-game fluctuations from skewing statistics.

Just to be clear here, I'm not (and have never) paraded statistics around as some sort of end-all, be-all of player evaluation. There's plenty to be seen with the eyes that is indicative of a player's value. The issue with Komarov is that I don't really see anything positive about his play, in addition to statistics saying he's not so good.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island!! I am here............., NY
Joined: 03.09.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:17 PM ET
Advanced stats are not the be all and end all, on that we agree. But some of them are a useful tool when used properly, especially in conjunction with the eye test.
When used improperly they also can be an impediment in rational judgment. James Tanner is a prime example of this.

- Wildschwein


Oh I understand. They just drive me nuts. There must be corsi numbers for dummies book out therr
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Dec 12 @ 12:18 PM ET
I am just happy to have a coach who actually knows what hockey is.
- kasperrko


It's like the backup quarterback thing. Backup quarterback and young prospects will have a lot of interest for fans especially when the team is not an established winner.
Wildschwein
Location: Jumping ship from the Oil to the Isles is like jumping from the Titanic directly onto the Bismark
Joined: 11.17.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:18 PM ET
Are you guys going to make me look up the Trotz quote? He nailed the use and how they are skewed at times and why they tell a story but you have to see it
- Upstate_isles


I shall not make you do such a thing. Unless you want to that is. Consent is key.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 12:19 PM ET
I shall not make you do such a thing. Unless you want to that is. Consent is key.
- Wildschwein

Then (frank) no
Wildschwein
Location: Jumping ship from the Oil to the Isles is like jumping from the Titanic directly onto the Bismark
Joined: 11.17.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:20 PM ET
Oh I understand. They just drive me nuts. There must be corsi numbers for dummies book out therr
- kasperrko


Corsi is generally a piss poor stat to follow, much like +/-. There are others that are much better.
Wildschwein
Location: Jumping ship from the Oil to the Isles is like jumping from the Titanic directly onto the Bismark
Joined: 11.17.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:20 PM ET
Then (frank) no
- Upstate_isles


That’s what they all say.

Joined: 12.31.1969

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