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Isleshockeyman
Location: IT FINALLY HAPPENED!! I CAN DIE HAPPY NOW!
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jul 10 @ 11:18 AM ET


The Isles may suck, but at least they can beat up the other team.

- JohnScammo

Ogie Ogelthorpe will be the next big signing
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 10 @ 11:26 AM ET
Dont show this to 7
- Upstate_isles



JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 10 @ 11:26 AM ET
Ogie Ogelthorpe will be the next big signing

- Isleshockeyman

Yeah, I think I mentioned the Hanson Brothers yesterday...
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jul 10 @ 11:27 AM ET
The fact that he's Ross Johnston will also prevent a team from claiming him
- eichiefs9


ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 10 @ 11:33 AM ET
This who cares attitude with blowing cap space on multiple sub par players is something I have a hard time comprehending. Someone posted yesterday that in 2019/2020 we have over 20 million committed to this crap. You think that's insignificant? You're completely fine watching a total, complete pile of shat team again and for the foreseeable future? You think Trotz is going to somehow make a player like Johnston a real nhl player? Come on give me a break.
- Cptmjl


These long terms contracts can block other young players. No reason to give out such long term contracts. Does not make sense for Pelech and Mayfield and does not make sense for Leo or Ross Johnston.
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 10 @ 11:34 AM ET
The fact that he's Ross Johnston will also prevent a team from claiming him
- eichiefs9


Isleshockeyman
Location: IT FINALLY HAPPENED!! I CAN DIE HAPPY NOW!
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jul 10 @ 11:38 AM ET
Yeah, I think I mentioned the Hanson Brothers yesterday...
- JohnScammo

Yeah you did. Figured I'd play on that a little more since someone said we can beat up the other teams.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Jul 10 @ 12:09 PM ET
This who cares attitude with blowing cap space on multiple sub par players is something I have a hard time comprehending. Someone posted yesterday that in 2019/2020 we have over 20 million committed to this crap. You think that's insignificant? You're completely fine watching a total, complete pile of shat team again and for the foreseeable future? You think Trotz is going to somehow make a player like Johnston a real nhl player? Come on give me a break.
- Cptmjl


If at any point the Islanders are at or near the cap ceiling and these zero impact contracts have an adverse affect I will sincerely apologize to you.. ok?
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Jul 10 @ 12:11 PM ET
These long terms contracts can block other young players. No reason to give out such long term contracts. Does not make sense for Pelech and Mayfield and does not make sense for Leo or Ross Johnston.
- ses111


How? this is not Capuano or Weight. If Ho Sang, Bellows or even Wahlstrom look fantastic to the point that Trotz wants them on the team they will be on the team. these non-event contracts are either healthy scratched or sent down passing through waivers.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Jul 10 @ 12:14 PM ET
They'd have to catch them first and that's not happening. So far this team is going to be a gong show of epic proportions. I'm sure Barzal will savor his brief stint with the Islanders.
- Cptmjl


We have some of the fastest kids in the NHL.. fyi. Barzal, Beauv, Toews, Leddy, Ho Sang, and Eberle can all fly. Speed will not be an issue with this team no matter who the 4th line has on it.
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 10 @ 12:22 PM ET
How? this is not Capuano or Weight. If Ho Sang, Bellows or even Wahlstrom look fantastic to the point that Trotz wants them on the team they will be on the team. these non-event contracts are either healthy scratched or sent down passing through waivers.
- niteislander


Let's hope the best players will play and protecting vets is over. These contract still count against the Cap though. I just rather Lou held firm on one and two year contracts.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 10 @ 12:28 PM ET
Let's hope the best players will play and protecting vets is over. These contract still count against the Cap though. I just rather Lou held firm on one and two year contracts.
- ses111

Serious question. How does that work? If a player gets sent down to the AHL, does the full value of his contract count against the NHL cap anyway?

Edit: I cheated and looked it up.
https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

So if I am reading this right, the cap relief for the upcoming season is $1,025,000 for "burying" a player in the AHL. Therefore, a player like Johnston can get buried, and there will be a cap hit of zero when he's in the AHL.
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 10 @ 12:49 PM ET
Serious question. How does that work? If a player gets sent down to the AHL, does the full value of his contract count against the NHL cap anyway?

Edit: I cheated and looked it up.
https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

So if I am reading this right, the cap relief for the upcoming season is $1,025,000 for "burying" a player in the AHL. Therefore, a player like Johnston can get buried, and there will be a cap hit of zero when he's in the AHL.

- JohnScammo


I thought the Cap hit still applied even if the player was in the AHL? I'm very far from a Cap expert. I thought you could not bury contracts in the minors any longer that they no longer count against the NHL Cap?
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Jul 10 @ 1:09 PM ET
I thought the Cap hit still applied even if the player was in the AHL? I'm very far from a Cap expert. I thought you could not bury contracts in the minors any longer that they no longer count against the NHL Cap?
- ses111


Read what Scamo wrote. The cap hit is the player's salary minus $1,025,000. That number goes up a little every year.

It's still ridiculous to give a player like Johnston a 4 year contract.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Now I can sell you a bridge AND a team in Brooklyn
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jul 10 @ 1:15 PM ET
Read what Scamo wrote. The cap hit is the player's salary minus $1,025,000. That number goes up a little every year.

It's still ridiculous to give a player like Johnston a 4 year contract.

- JimmyP

Yup, still don't understand the need for 4 years, even if the salary is largely irrelevant.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: In Lou we bust, NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 10 @ 1:24 PM ET
I thought the Cap hit still applied even if the player was in the AHL? I'm very far from a Cap expert. I thought you could not bury contracts in the minors any longer that they no longer count against the NHL Cap?
- ses111

One-way contract means the player is paid the same money whether he's playing in the AHL or NHL. So Ross Johnston will be a $1M AHL player, best case scenario. The cap implications are an entirely different issue.

According to that link, cap relief = players cap hit - (league minimum + $375k)

So, in this case (the way I'm understanding it):

$1,000,000 - ($650,000+$375,000)

$1,000,000 - $1,025,000 = ($25,000) or the Islanders basically save the entire value of Johnston's contract plus $25k by sending him to the AHL? I'm not sure I'm interpreting that one correctly, but that's what it seems like based on CapFriendly's explanation.

The simple answer is that the Isles can bury Johnston and his entire cap hit in the minors. Assuming I'm correct, which I'm not particularly confident about.
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 10 @ 1:38 PM ET
One-way contract means the player is paid the same money whether he's playing in the AHL or NHL. So Ross Johnston will be a $1M AHL player, best case scenario. The cap implications are an entirely different issue.

According to that link, cap relief = players cap hit - (league minimum + $375k)

So, in this case (the way I'm understanding it):

$1,000,000 - ($650,000+$375,000)

$1,000,000 - $1,025,000 = ($25,000) or the Islanders basically save the entire value of Johnston's contract plus $25k by sending him to the AHL? I'm not sure I'm interpreting that one correctly, but that's what it seems like based on CapFriendly's explanation.

The simple answer is that the Isles can bury Johnston and his entire cap hit in the minors. Assuming I'm correct, which I'm not particularly confident about.

- eichiefs9






I opened the link John provided and looked at it for a second and closed it.
ses111
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 10 @ 1:40 PM ET
Read what Scamo wrote. The cap hit is the player's salary minus $1,025,000. That number goes up a little every year.

It's still ridiculous to give a player like Johnston a 4 year contract.

- JimmyP


The 4 years given to Johnston is ridiculous regardless. I have no interest getting into the cap numbers and all the Cap rules.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:16 PM ET
If at any point the Islanders are at or near the cap ceiling and these zero impact contracts have an adverse affect I will sincerely apologize to you.. ok?
- niteislander

No need to apologize at all it's just stupid to unnecessarily put your team in that position to begin with it's horrible management of anything let alone a professional sports team. So many people are quick to defend these moves but not one person doing so can provide a logical explanation of any kind for them because they defy all logic.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 10 @ 2:18 PM ET
We have some of the fastest kids in the NHL.. fyi. Barzal, Beauv, Toews, Leddy, Ho Sang, and Eberle can all fly. Speed will not be an issue with this team no matter who the 4th line has on it.
- niteislander

My post was about us beating up other teams. I doubt Barzal and Beau will be looking to beat the shat out of opposing players but hey who knows? That seems to be the culture were building SO FAR.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Jul 10 @ 2:21 PM ET
Serious question. How does that work? If a player gets sent down to the AHL, does the full value of his contract count against the NHL cap anyway?

Edit: I cheated and looked it up.
https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

So if I am reading this right, the cap relief for the upcoming season is $1,025,000 for "burying" a player in the AHL. Therefore, a player like Johnston can get buried, and there will be a cap hit of zero when he's in the AHL.

- JohnScammo

They can bury johnston the rest count
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Lamoriello, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jul 10 @ 2:25 PM ET
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 10 @ 2:35 PM ET
No need to apologize at all it's just stupid to unnecessarily put your team in that position to begin with it's horrible management of anything let alone a professional sports team. So many people are quick to defend these moves but not one person doing so can provide a logical explanation of any kind for them because they defy all logic.
- Cptmjl



The bottom line is the isles got screwed and as a result they’re doing anything to make this year entertaining. If you told me that the isles would be getting a real GM and a top coach but the cost would be Tavares we would all be willing as it’s the right move long term. I’m not gonna judge Lou or Barry based off this year as they literally inherited a heaping pile of crap. I have no problem with the signings as it’s gonne be 2-3 years before the isles are a legit team. These 4th line signings are not the end of the world.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: In Lou we bust, NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 10 @ 2:37 PM ET


I opened the link John provided and looked at it for a second and closed it.

- ses111

Upon further review, I was correct.

Joined: 12.31.1969

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