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Bill Meltzer
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Jul 10 @ 12:09 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Development Camp, Sanheim, Kosorenkov and More
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 10 @ 12:29 PM ET


Is kos slated to play with rubtsov again this season?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 10 @ 12:30 PM ET
thanks bae
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 10 @ 12:33 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Development Camp, Sanheim, Kosorenkov and More
- bmeltzer



Bill,

Do you think he will get an invite to camp in the fall?

dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 10 @ 12:51 PM ET
I think that teams really should be taking media skills into account now before bringing kids into the NHL. Especially in the pressure cookers of the larger markets. Hearing that Sanheim has improved in that respect is a good sign.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 10 @ 1:01 PM ET
I think that teams really should be taking media skills into account now before bringing kids into the NHL. Especially in the pressure cookers of the larger markets. Hearing that Sanheim has improved in that respect is a good sign.
- dragonoffrost

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 10 @ 1:12 PM ET
So I just rewatched the Hextall-Nilsson slash for about the 8000th time, and I never realized that, a split second before the slash, you can almost actually see Hextall saying, "Okay," to the ref with his quick little head nod.

That's all.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 10 @ 1:20 PM ET
A local newspaper column this weekend erroneously stated that Flyers Development camp undrafted invitee Ivan Kosorenkov is an "overaged" junior in the Quebec League. The article added that a "rap against him" was that his stats were inflated by playing against younger players. This premise is incorrect.

Last season, Kosorenkov was of what would be considered traditional "draft +1" age for a player selected in the 2017 NHL Draft. He was 18 at the start of the season and turned 19 on January 22. This is NOT how an overager is classified. Few players are pro-ready in their draft-plus-one year, so Kosoronkov played with and against many players his age and older.

As a matter of fact, Kosorenkov would not even be considered an overager for the 2017-18 season. Although he will turn 20 midseason, he remains eligible to represent Russia at the 2017-18 World Junior Championships and, if the Flyers or another NHL team were to sign him to an entry-level contract, he would be slide-rule eligible next season (meaning that the first season of his pro contract would kick in for 2018-19 and would not count against the 50-contract limit per NHL team next season).

Lastly, draft-plus-two aged players are far from uncommon in any of the CHL leagues. It would be come 2018-19 in his case that the overager factor of inflated numbers due to playing against teenagers would be factored in taking scoring production with a grain of salt.


The Flyers 2016 3rd round pick Twarynski is an example of a CHL overager, since he turns 20 in November. But 17-18 will only be his draft + 2 season. I don't know how the Flyers view him currently, but I think he could be the next Dove-McFalls and go unsigned if he doesn't have a big season.

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=107898
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jul 10 @ 1:31 PM ET
greetings and pleasant tidings to everyone

except rinaldo
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 10 @ 1:38 PM ET
The Flyers 2016 3rd round pick Twarynski is an example of a CHL overager, since he turns 20 in November. But 17-18 will only be his draft + 2 season. I don't know how the Flyers view him currently, but I think he could be the next Dove-McFalls and go unsigned if he doesn't have a big season.

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=107898

- Feanor


I think they sign him to save face, and it's not like he couldn't be a cheap 4th liner/AHL player still, with good skating and G.R.I.T. After not signing the #98 pick, not signing the #82 pick probably isn't a good look. Twarynski is still probably better than DMF, and he'll have this year to show it on a good Kelowna team.

They were iffy low ceiling picks at the time at still quality draft spots, and it says something when literally every single pick after, whatever the round, looked better immediately and proved it the following year. They always stood out instantly as big, lower skilled, future 4th line picks without much room to grow, so no surprise. Curiously, I don't think they took a single one of those this year with 9 picks. In those spots they took a high upside, sleeper goalie.......a terrible skater with excellent IQ and good hands and scoring ability......and a player buried on a deep team, again believing in upside. They didn't do it in 2014 either, but they only had 6 picks. But they'll sign him still; I'd bet on it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 10 @ 1:42 PM ET
greetings and pleasant tidings to everyone

except rinaldo

- Mordecai


BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 10 @ 1:48 PM ET
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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 10 @ 1:50 PM ET
ttt
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 10 @ 1:50 PM ET
thanks bae
- Streit2ThePoint


lol
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 10 @ 1:52 PM ET
asdf
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 10 @ 1:53 PM ET
Is kos slated to play with rubtsov again this season?
- Tfaehner

laberge?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 10 @ 1:53 PM ET
I think that teams really should be taking media skills into account now before bringing kids into the NHL. Especially in the pressure cookers of the larger markets. Hearing that Sanheim has improved in that respect is a good sign.
- dragonoffrost

All prospects should be required to attend the Chris Pronger School for Media Relations. Courses include:

Staring the Morons Down
Eye Rolling 101
Snarkiness as an Art Form
How to Nicely Tell One to go (frank) Themselves
Calling an Idiot an Idiot

"Its the best school of its kind"
-Bob Clarke

"No one does it better than Chris"
-Tim Panaccio

YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 10 @ 1:53 PM ET
I think they sign him to save face, and it's not like he couldn't be a cheap 4th liner/AHL player still, with good skating and G.R.I.T. After not signing the #98 pick, not signing the #82 pick probably isn't a good look. Twarynski is still probably better than DMF, and he'll have this year to show it on a good Kelowna team.

They were iffy low ceiling picks at the time at still quality draft spots, and it says something when literally every single pick after, whatever the round, looked better immediately and proved it the following year. They always stood out instantly as big, lower skilled, future 4th line picks without much room to grow, so no surprise. Curiously, I don't think they took a single one of those this year with 9 picks. In those spots they took a high upside, sleeper goalie.......a terrible skater with excellent IQ and good hands and scoring ability......and a player buried on a deep team, again believing in upside. They didn't do it in 2014 either, but they only had 6 picks. But they'll sign him still; I'd bet on it.

- Mononoke


Fine, I will bet they don't
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 10 @ 1:54 PM ET

- jmatchett383

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 10 @ 2:09 PM ET
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 10 @ 2:09 PM ET

- YuenglingJagr


Haha that main interviewer is Michael Shanks, aka Daniel Jackson from Stargate Sg1
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 10 @ 2:10 PM ET
All prospects should be required to attend the Chris Pronger School for Media Relations. Courses include:

Staring the Morons Down
Eye Rolling 101
Snarkiness as an Art Form
How to Nicely Tell One to go (frank) Themselves
Calling an Idiot an Idiot

"Its the best school of its kind"
-Bob Clarke

"No one does it better than Chris"
-Tim Panaccio

- BiggE


Pronger was great for one liners post game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 10 @ 2:11 PM ET
I think they sign him to save face, and it's not like he couldn't be a cheap 4th liner/AHL player still, with good skating and G.R.I.T. After not signing the #98 pick, not signing the #82 pick probably isn't a good look. Twarynski is still probably better than DMF, and he'll have this year to show it on a good Kelowna team.

They were iffy low ceiling picks at the time at still quality draft spots, and it says something when literally every single pick after, whatever the round, looked better immediately and proved it the following year. They always stood out instantly as big, lower skilled, future 4th line picks without much room to grow, so no surprise. Curiously, I don't think they took a single one of those this year with 9 picks. In those spots they took a high upside, sleeper goalie.......a terrible skater with excellent IQ and good hands and scoring ability......and a player buried on a deep team, again believing in upside. They didn't do it in 2014 either, but they only had 6 picks. But they'll sign him still; I'd bet on it.

- Mononoke



Hextall and the Flyers aren't going to make any player decisions to save face or due to any optics They don't give a rat's hoot about any of that.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 10 @ 2:12 PM ET
I think they sign him to save face, and it's not like he couldn't be a cheap 4th liner/AHL player still, with good skating and G.R.I.T. After not signing the #98 pick, not signing the #82 pick probably isn't a good look. Twarynski is still probably better than DMF, and he'll have this year to show it on a good Kelowna team.

They were iffy low ceiling picks at the time at still quality draft spots, and it says something when literally every single pick after, whatever the round, looked better immediately and proved it the following year. They always stood out instantly as big, lower skilled, future 4th line picks without much room to grow, so no surprise. Curiously, I don't think they took a single one of those this year with 9 picks. In those spots they took a high upside, sleeper goalie.......a terrible skater with excellent IQ and good hands and scoring ability......and a player buried on a deep team, again believing in upside. They didn't do it in 2014 either, but they only had 6 picks. But they'll sign him still; I'd bet on it.

- Mononoke



I don't know if they need to save face. If they find a guy like Korsorekov as a camp invite why do they need to save face. things happen. Kids don't pan out. it happens. Your trying to project 16-17-18-19 year olds.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jul 10 @ 2:15 PM ET
Nice backhand by Kosorenkov...

Too bad the Flyers traded Schenn, the season is lost.
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