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Jason Lewis
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Jul 18 @ 5:55 PM ET
Jason Lewis: Have We Seen the Best from Tyler Toffoli Yet?
Woodysdemise
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 02.13.2015

Jul 18 @ 6:15 PM ET
No. Not even close. and that's a great thing for Kings fans.
Kunit
Joined: 05.29.2014

Jul 18 @ 6:20 PM ET
What sux for kings fans is that brown, gaborik are well into their decline and are signed for many more years at a hefty sum of cap space..
PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 04.20.2012

Jul 18 @ 6:30 PM ET
What sux for kings fans is that brown, gaborik are well into their decline and are signed for many more years at a hefty sum of cap space..
- Kunit


Thanks for your input.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Jul 18 @ 6:31 PM ET
Love his game - a sniper, with a sneaky nasty streak -
really underappreciated - Kings are going to have to find a way to give him Brown type money IMO -
AustonPowers
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Supreme Manager of the Johnny Boychuk to EDM Thread
Joined: 07.14.2016

Jul 18 @ 6:50 PM ET
Definitely not! Wish the Leafs could've stockpiled homegrown talent like Toffoli
hiway39
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 03.01.2010

Jul 18 @ 7:35 PM ET
i'd much prefer to give the term and aav earmarked for lucic to toffoli.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 18 @ 8:48 PM ET
Love his game - a sniper, with a sneaky nasty streak -
really underappreciated - Kings are going to have to find a way to give him Brown type money IMO -

- dozerD10

Brown or gaborik is most likely gone in expansion draft.

Not sure how many times someone has to tell people that.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Jul 18 @ 9:08 PM ET
Brown or gaborik is most likely gone in expansion draft.

Not sure how many times someone has to tell people that.

- KINGS67


Why would Vegas help kings by taking one of those horrible contracts ?
I Meant TT is going to need around that $ amount yearly -
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:13 PM ET
While im grateful as a fan for his scoring. Im more impressed with his maturing as a player and getting PK time and playing smart and being dangerous. Sutter trusts this kid. Once I saw that I knew he morphed into a better player.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:14 PM ET
Why would Vegas help kings by taking one of those horrible contracts ?
I Meant TT is going to need around that $ amount yearly -

- dozerD10

They would have to get to the cap somehow. Can't take on low money contracts on every player. They'll take some real bad contracts but it will help them get to the floor. Doesn't really take a genious to figure that out. They may or not take brown or gaborik, but most likely they will.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:14 PM ET
Why would Vegas help kings by taking one of those horrible contracts ?
I Meant TT is going to need around that $ amount yearly -

- dozerD10

Im not saying Vegas will. But Vegas will have a view of all the players they can get. And how soon they can be competitive. They would take Brown long before Gabby. Purely for leadership. But we don't know what they're going to do for quite some time. All we can do is pray.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jul 18 @ 9:15 PM ET
They would have to get to the cap somehow. Can't take on low money contracts on every player. They'll take some real bad contracts but it will help them get to the floor. Doesn't really take a genious to figure that out. They may or not take brown or gaborik, but most likely they will.
- KINGS67

Alot of money will be available. I doubt hitting the cap floor is going to be a concern. So much money around the NHL now on teams.
rubberduckies
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Huntington beach, CA
Joined: 02.21.2008

Jul 18 @ 9:20 PM ET
Jason Lewis: Have We Seen the Best from Tyler Toffoli Yet?
- Jason_Lewis
yes he may repeat but hes at the ceiling cap now
Trapezoid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AB
Joined: 06.29.2016

Jul 18 @ 10:12 PM ET
I have him in my keeper league,, so No.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Jul 18 @ 10:15 PM ET
They would have to get to the cap somehow. Can't take on low money contracts on every player. They'll take some real bad contracts but it will help them get to the floor. Doesn't really take a genious to figure that out. They may or not take brown or gaborik, but most likely they will.
- KINGS67


In couple of yrs those guys may not even be in the league anymore - Kings will be having to expose better / more attrative players I would think -
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jul 18 @ 10:24 PM ET
In couple of yrs those guys may not even be in the league anymore - Kings will be having to expose better / more attrative players I would think -
- dozerD10

Those guys will be the exposed for sure. And if not taken they will ride it out or buy one of them out if they dont get better next year.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Jul 18 @ 10:36 PM ET
Those guys will be the exposed for sure. And if not taken they will ride it out or buy one of them out if they dont get better next year.
- poisondhearts37


No doubt they will be exposed I agree with you - just saying other Kings exposed may be more attractive to Vegas is all -
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Jul 18 @ 10:40 PM ET
No doubt they will be exposed I agree with you - just saying other Kings exposed may be more attractive to Vegas is all -
- dozerD10

Sure. Other Kings would be more attractive possibly. But not to management. Its a expose Brown and Gabby. If neither or one is taken. Then buy out one. Unless they have a good year. Then you allow them to keep going and just maintain the ship thats sailing.
hiway39
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 03.01.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:03 AM ET
Sure. Other Kings would be more attractive possibly. But not to management. Its a expose Brown and Gabby. If neither or one is taken. Then buy out one. Unless they have a good year. Then you allow them to keep going and just maintain the ship thats sailing.
- poisondhearts37


buying out brown would cost the kings $22mm and cost them a 6 year cap hit at 1.8mm.

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/959

gabbo's deal would be slightly less painful to buy out (at 14mm), but still painful, carrying 5 years of cap hit at 1.4mm.

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/968

this is on top of $1.3mm cap hits from richards' buyout for four more years. ugly.

KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:24 AM ET
I'm not worried, I believe brown is gone. If he's not then we can be childish and go the, "i told you so rant".
Jmoogs
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Ventura, CA
Joined: 07.19.2016

Jul 19 @ 1:41 AM ET
I say brownie bounces back.. Gabo also
hiway39
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 03.01.2010

Jul 19 @ 10:01 AM ET
I'm not worried, I believe brown is gone. If he's not then we can be childish and go the, "i told you so rant".
- KINGS67


i think both schools of thought are fully plausible, and can see the arguments for and against LV taking brown or gabbo if exposed in the expansion draft. all depends on what LV is willing to "overpay" to make the cap floor (leadership, scoring, etc).

personally i think they'd be able to find cheaper vets with less toxic contracts for leadership than brown, and would find martinez/mcnabb more enticing. but that's just me.
sniper11
Anaheim Ducks
Location: CA
Joined: 06.12.2014

Jul 19 @ 12:55 PM ET
buying out brown would cost the kings $22mm and cost them a 6 year cap hit at 1.8mm.

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/959

gabbo's deal would be slightly less painful to buy out (at 14mm), but still painful, carrying 5 years of cap hit at 1.4mm.

http://www.generalfanager.com/buyouts/968

this is on top of $1.3mm cap hits from richards' buyout for four more years. ugly.

- hiway39


You started with the wrong buyout date. The window is closed for this summer. A Brown buyout next summer would cost $17mil and carry a $1.7mil cap hit until 2026-27.
hiway39
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 03.01.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:41 PM ET
You started with the wrong buyout date. The window is closed for this summer. A Brown buyout next summer would cost $17mil and carry a $1.7mil cap hit until 2026-27.
- sniper11


good catch, also reduces the gabbo hit, but both are still awfully expensive. and the dead money hit still lengthy.
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