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Ty Anderson
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Feb 10 @ 5:35 PM ET
Ty Anderson: One foot in, one foot out: Bruins seem stuck
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 10 @ 5:50 PM ET
Who cares about the pink hat fans that think this team has a chance. Bs fans are some of the most diehard fans in New England.......more so than the "green teamers" or pats or sox fans.

That's the trouble they have, it's that Boston fans are NOT morons and we look at what they have done over the last half decade and we see a pattern.

I don't care about making the playoffs "for a record 20+ years in a row." We want a "direction" and to be "contenders for the Cup."

If we limp into the playoffs this season and then have another crappy half ass year next season too, then we have turned a "tweek" into the wasting of Bergy and Krejci and Rask for THREE PLUS YEARS of there prime instead of admitting to a couple mistakes.

If Jacobs TRULLY has changed, then they make some BIG MOVES and Jacobs comes out with a press conference and says, "hey, we may not make the playoffs this year. Two years in a row. But we don't care about being average, I don't care about 'just selling enough tickets.' We care about championships. So we will try to make this team a contender as soon as possible regardless of the short term hurt."

Fans would support that a 100%. History has shown riding the fence doesn't work. Maybe we can build something next season, and then compete the season after.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Feb 10 @ 5:57 PM ET
Who cares about the pink hat fans that think this team has a chance. Bs fans are some of the most diehard fans in New England.......more so than the "green teamers" or pats or sox fans.

That's the trouble they have, it's that Boston fans are NOT morons and we look at what they have done over the last half decade and we see a pattern.

I don't care about making the playoffs "for a record 20+ years in a row." We want a "direction" and to be "contenders for the Cup."

If we limp into the playoffs this season and then have another crappy half ass year next season too, then we have turned a "tweek" into the wasting of Bergy and Krejci and Rask for THREE PLUS YEARS of there prime instead of admitting to a couple mistakes.

If Jacobs TRULLY has changed, then they make some BIG MOVES and Jacobs comes out with a press conference and says, "hey, we may not make the playoffs this year. Two years in a row. But we don't care about being average, I don't care about 'just selling enough tickets.' We care about championships. So we will try to make this team a contender as soon as possible regardless of the short term hurt."

Fans would support that a 100%. History has shown riding the fence doesn't work. Maybe we can build something next season, and then compete the season after.

- JIwasinskiJr


Jacobs cares about $$$$. Thats it.
Ty Anderson
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Location: @_TyAnderson, MA
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Feb 10 @ 5:59 PM ET
It comes from ownership telling the team execs that they need postseason buzz.
Willspencer10
Boston Bruins
Joined: 04.02.2013

Feb 10 @ 6:03 PM ET
Who cares about the pink hat fans that think this team has a chance. Bs fans are some of the most diehard fans in New England.......more so than the "green teamers" or pats or sox fans.

That's the trouble they have, it's that Boston fans are NOT morons and we look at what they have done over the last half decade and we see a pattern.

I don't care about making the playoffs "for a record 20+ years in a row." We want a "direction" and to be "contenders for the Cup."

If we limp into the playoffs this season and then have another crappy half ass year next season too, then we have turned a "tweek" into the wasting of Bergy and Krejci and Rask for THREE PLUS YEARS of there prime instead of admitting to a couple mistakes.

If Jacobs TRULLY has changed, then they make some BIG MOVES and Jacobs comes out with a press conference and says, "hey, we may not make the playoffs this year. Two years in a row. But we don't care about being average, I don't care about 'just selling enough tickets.' We care about championships. So we will try to make this team a contender as soon as possible regardless of the short term hurt."

Fans would support that a 100%. History has shown riding the fence doesn't work. Maybe we can build something next season, and then compete the season after.

- JIwasinskiJr


Yeah yeah, the 'sky-is-falling' fanbase is better than those of us with optimism. If you say so.

This team needs major help, nobody is denying that. I just don't think burning it to the ground is a guarantee that you'll be a contender again in 3,4,5+ years. Look at the Oilers. How many #1 picks has it taken them to be relevant again? Are they even relevant yet? If you slash and burn the roster, you absolutely waste 3+ years of Bergeron/Marchand/etc.

Maybe rebuilding on the fly will work, maybe it wont. I'm not emotionally unstable so I can handle watching a team with growing pains. I still get to see Bergeron/Marchand make sweet music out there.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Feb 10 @ 6:06 PM ET
Bergeron
Krejci
Pastrnak
Spooner
Marchand
Rask
C. Miller


everyone else can GTFO for the right price and long term improvement.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 10 @ 6:26 PM ET
Yeah yeah, the 'sky-is-falling' fanbase is better than those of us with optimism. If you say so.

This team needs major help, nobody is denying that. I just don't think burning it to the ground is a guarantee that you'll be a contender again in 3,4,5+ years. Look at the Oilers. How many #1 picks has it taken them to be relevant again? Are they even relevant yet? If you slash and burn the roster, you absolutely waste 3+ years of Bergeron/Marchand/etc.

Maybe rebuilding on the fly will work, maybe it wont. I'm not emotionally unstable so I can handle watching a team with growing pains. I still get to see Bergeron/Marchand make sweet music out there.

- Willspencer10


We do not have a top pairing defenseman on this team.

Chara is a # four defenseman on a good team, maybe a #3. ( top three Dmen do not let up 2on1's every single game. They fix there partners mistakes. Seid and Chara are not those guys anymore.)

Therefore, this team does not have ANY top end D-man.

What is the last team to win a Cup without a stud top pairing D-man? Without a couple top end Dmen?

Nothing else really matters for this hockey club UNTIL they find TWO top end talent Dmen. That's the simple fact of the matter. IMO.

EDIT: Tell me which player that I can buy his sweater and he will be with the team in THREE years?

When you watch the team and "accept" growing pains, it's because in a few years you know that player will be a stud.

We continue to watch players either, A) not develop or B) get traded.

Betts and Bogarts and ERod.........they will be on the Sox, likely, for years. They build to the future. We have no kids we KNOW will be on this team in three years, any,ore.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 10 @ 8:00 PM ET
It comes from ownership telling the team execs that they need postseason buzz.
- tyanderson


Yeah. I know man. That's the issue and why I'm so nervous about the next couple months.

I could have seen them trade a first, Subban and Vatrano for Buff at the deadline and that would have been such the wrong move.

Like Spooner and a first for Chris Stewart last October.........

The radio stations are getting lit up in Boston about the lack of confidence in the management group and them making the "right" moves.

Right now, the Bs are at the GREATEST crossroad of the last decade.........think about that.

The next few months can make this club a Buffalo, Devils, Nucks, type or we make a few sweet moves and turn it around like the Lightning did a few years ago.

If we traded Chara and Eriksson and even Seidenberg each for a first (for example) and then turned around and traded Krejci and a first for a Weber or Josi.

Or even flipped four of the five first rounders for a top pairing guy.

Then signed a top D free agent in the offseason.

That's to top pairing guys.

Hell, grab Trouba or Myers from Pegg (they can't afford all of those D guys) and sign Yandle in the offseason.

Maybe try to grab both Trouba and Myers from the Pegg and sign Yandle in the offseason. That's a potential future top THREE as C. Miller develops and Krug on the bottom pair.
Tachmo
Boston Bruins
Location: Canada, SK
Joined: 07.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:25 PM ET
We do not have a top pairing defenseman on this team.

Chara is a # four defenseman on a good team, maybe a #3. ( top three Dmen do not let up 2on1's every single game. They fix there partners mistakes. Seid and Chara are not those guys anymore.)

Therefore, this team does not have ANY top end D-man.

What is the last team to win a Cup without a stud top pairing D-man? Without a couple top end Dmen?

Nothing else really matters for this hockey club UNTIL they find TWO top end talent Dmen. That's the simple fact of the matter. IMO.

EDIT: Tell me which player that I can buy his sweater and he will be with the team in THREE years?

When you watch the team and "accept" growing pains, it's because in a few years you know that player will be a stud.

We continue to watch players either, A) not develop or B) get traded.

Betts and Bogarts and ERod.........they will be on the Sox, likely, for years. They build to the future. We have no kids we KNOW will be on this team in three years, any,ore.

- JIwasinskiJr


blah blah blah.....
Listening to you rag on Chara every single article that is posted, is getting really tiresome. Chara is still a top pairing defenceman on most teams in the NHL. His stats pretty much back it up. Traditional and the new fancy stats. He may not be a #1 anymore but he is a solid #2.

I think you have it backwards, Trotman is not compensating for Chara. I think it's pretty clear Chara has to compensate for Trotman's blown assignments.

I do agree that this team needs some adjustments on D. If this team can bring in a young dman, as some that have been mentioned, that can play in their top pairing that would make a world of difference.

I know that some will want Chara's 7 Million off the books 2 years ago. But who is the replacement right now. Top dmen do not really hit free agency and almost impossible to trade for.
Tachmo
Boston Bruins
Location: Canada, SK
Joined: 07.01.2008

Feb 10 @ 11:41 PM ET
Yeah. I know man. That's the issue and why I'm so nervous about the next couple months.

I could have seen them trade a first, Subban and Vatrano for Buff at the deadline and that would have been such the wrong move.

Like Spooner and a first for Chris Stewart last October.........

The radio stations are getting lit up in Boston about the lack of confidence in the management group and them making the "right" moves.

Right now, the Bs are at the GREATEST crossroad of the last decade.........think about that.

The next few months can make this club a Buffalo, Devils, Nucks, type or we make a few sweet moves and turn it around like the Lightning did a few years ago.

If we traded Chara and Eriksson and even Seidenberg each for a first (for example) and then turned around and traded Krejci and a first for a Weber or Josi.

Or even flipped four of the five first rounders for a top pairing guy.

Then signed a top D free agent in the offseason.

That's to top pairing guys.

Hell, grab Trouba or Myers from Pegg (they can't afford all of those D guys) and sign Yandle in the offseason.

Maybe try to grab both Trouba and Myers from the Pegg and sign Yandle in the offseason. That's a potential future top THREE as C. Miller develops and Krug on the bottom pair.

- JIwasinskiJr


Moving Seidenberg would be ideal. Clearing out his 4 million would help a lot in re shaping the d core. If Bruins could move him for anything I would be surprised, and he has a NTC doesn't he?
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 11 @ 12:08 AM ET
blah blah blah.....
Listening to you rag on Chara every single article that is posted, is getting really tiresome. Chara is still a top pairing defenceman on most teams in the NHL. His stats pretty much back it up. Traditional and the new fancy stats. He may not be a #1 anymore but he is a solid #2.

I think you have it backwards, Trotman is not compensating for Chara. I think it's pretty clear Chara has to compensate for Trotman's blown assignments.

I do agree that this team needs some adjustments on D. If this team can bring in a young dman, as some that have been mentioned, that can play in their top pairing that would make a world of difference.

I know that some will want Chara's 7 Million off the books 2 years ago. But who is the replacement right now. Top dmen do not really hit free agency and almost impossible to trade for.

- Tachmo


WATCH THE (frank)ING GAMES!

I'm not making up the 2 on 1's he hands the other teams! It's a FACT damn it! How are people refusing to WATCH THE GAMES and see these basic daily plays?

It's like you refuse to acknowledge the basic observations OR i am LOSSING MY (frank)ING MIND!

I'm not making these things up. I said this season would unfold EXACTLY like this. We are an AVERAGE TEAM. We are HORRIBLE on the backend. Isn't that what we are?

I present information that can be confirmed with simple observation. You, likely someone whom hated the advanced stats in the past, wishes to believe them when your "emotions" make them relevant.

WATCH THE GAMES. If you believe that Chara is a top pairing D man then you are delusional.........OR I am delusional.

We do not have a player anywhere near the top 25 in Norris voting.............that would support the idea of no top pairing D man in my book.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 11 @ 12:14 AM ET
Moving Seidenberg would be ideal. Clearing out his 4 million would help a lot in re shaping the d core. If Bruins could move him for anything I would be surprised, and he has a NTC doesn't he?
- Tachmo


So Seidenberg......paid like a second pairing guy will bring in.......another second pairing guy?

But, Chara, paid like a top pairing guy will not?

Simple. Both are OLD and would help CONTENDERS. They are still solid in the right positions.

Chara is a fourth/third on a Kings/Hawks team.

Seidenberg is a 4-5 on a Kings or Hawks team.

The idea that keeping Chara will somehow help NEXT SEASON is crazy to me.

Chara is not the top guy you want him to be. If we keep him and Seidnberg and play through next season.............ITS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
I don't see the logic in keeping players if you are worse because of it year after year.

You know what? In TWO YEARS I assume you will be a better man than I, and admit you are wrong...........
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Feb 11 @ 12:53 AM ET
For those that want to play the "optimistic" point of view...........

IF we keep Chara and Eriksson. What does the team look like next year?

We still are in the same spot, but WORSE than we are today.

That's my gripe. We are not any better and are probably worse.
dothedougie
Boston Bruins
Location: DISCLAIMER: HEAVY SARCASM FILTER, CO
Joined: 10.24.2013

Feb 11 @ 8:46 AM ET
So Seidenberg......paid like a second pairing guy will bring in.......another second pairing guy?

But, Chara, paid like a top pairing guy will not?

Simple. Both are OLD and would help CONTENDERS. They are still solid in the right positions.

Chara is a fourth/third on a Kings/Hawks team.

Seidenberg is a 4-5 on a Kings or Hawks team.

The idea that keeping Chara will somehow help NEXT SEASON is crazy to me.

Chara is not the top guy you want him to be. If we keep him and Seidnberg and play through next season.............ITS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
I don't see the logic in keeping players if you are worse because of it year after year.

You know what? In TWO YEARS I assume you will be a better man than I, and admit you are wrong...........

- JIwasinskiJr



glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Feb 11 @ 9:29 AM ET
Who cares about the pink hat fans that think this team has a chance. Bs fans are some of the most diehard fans in New England.......more so than the "green teamers" or pats or sox fans.

That's the trouble they have, it's that Boston fans are NOT morons and we look at what they have done over the last half decade and we see a pattern.

I don't care about making the playoffs "for a record 20+ years in a row." We want a "direction" and to be "contenders for the Cup."

If we limp into the playoffs this season and then have another crappy half ass year next season too, then we have turned a "tweek" into the wasting of Bergy and Krejci and Rask for THREE PLUS YEARS of there prime instead of admitting to a couple mistakes.

If Jacobs TRULLY has changed, then they make some BIG MOVES and Jacobs comes out with a press conference and says, "hey, we may not make the playoffs this year. Two years in a row. But we don't care about being average, I don't care about 'just selling enough tickets.' We care about championships. So we will try to make this team a contender as soon as possible regardless of the short term hurt."

Fans would support that a 100%. History has shown riding the fence doesn't work. Maybe we can build something next season, and then compete the season after.

- JIwasinskiJr


So attack other fanbases of other sports to legitimize your poopty team? God you suck. But let me put in your horrendous (frank)ing format so you can read it.

The Bruins struggle mightily to get points from the dregs of league like Buffalo and have all season.

The Bruins get smoked by legit contenders like L.A. and Anaheim for recent examples. They can't hang with real NHL quality teams. They're not even close and have a lot of work to do.

One reason for this is young inexperienced D and a coach that will not let them play through their mistakes. As per usual he never puts the younger guys in a position to succeed and does not play to their strengths. Unless it's the likes of Talbot, Rinaldo, Paille, Campbell.

The coach believes he doesn't have enough "experience" on the bench and said so after Monday's massacre. This of course is incorrect as there is plenty of experience on the team. He overuses said experience and benches the youth. i.e. Chara and Seidenberg getting lit up on a nightly basis.

Your goalie is overrated and pisses down his leg in critical situations. Trading him would be a great and very forward thinking move.

The leadership is non-existent. This team does not play for themselves or their teammates. Makes it difficult to drink black and gold kool-aid when they don't even show up.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Feb 11 @ 9:32 AM ET
For those that want to play the "optimistic" point of view...........

IF we keep Chara and Eriksson.
What does the team look like next year?

We still are in the same spot, but WORSE than we are today.

That's my gripe. We are not any better and are probably worse.

- JIwasinskiJr


Eriksson is gone poop snack.Matter of time. Chara is still serviceable in a top 4 role on this team or any other. You're obsessing now and you suck more than ever.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Feb 11 @ 9:33 AM ET
Bergeron
Krejci
Pastrnak
Spooner
Marchand
Rask
C. Miller


everyone else can GTFO for the right price and long term improvement.

- Cape Breton Bruins


dothedougie
Boston Bruins
Location: DISCLAIMER: HEAVY SARCASM FILTER, CO
Joined: 10.24.2013

Feb 11 @ 9:50 AM ET
Eriksson is gone poop snack.Matter of time. Chara is still serviceable in a top 4 role on this team or any other. You're obsessing now and you suck more than ever.
- glove_was_stuck



Have I told you lately that I love you.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Feb 11 @ 10:34 AM ET

- glove_was_stuck

yeah I can understand the disdain and he seems to simply quit some night behind this defence.
Willspencer10
Boston Bruins
Joined: 04.02.2013

Feb 11 @ 10:43 AM ET
Ignoring the glaring holes on D...what do people think about trying to acquire Cam Atkinson from Columbus to play next to Bergeron/Marchand? Signed at 3.5mil for 2 more years after this one...pretty consistent 20 goal scorer...for the same cap hit as Connolly + Hayes.

I dont know much about him other than what I can see for stats. Would the jackets even deal him?
Tachmo
Boston Bruins
Location: Canada, SK
Joined: 07.01.2008

Feb 11 @ 11:44 AM ET
So Seidenberg......paid like a second pairing guy will bring in.......another second pairing guy?

But, Chara, paid like a top pairing guy will not?

Simple. Both are OLD and would help CONTENDERS. They are still solid in the right positions.

Chara is a fourth/third on a Kings/Hawks team.

Seidenberg is a 4-5 on a Kings or Hawks team.

The idea that keeping Chara will somehow help NEXT SEASON is crazy to me.

Chara is not the top guy you want him to be. If we keep him and Seidnberg and play through next season.............ITS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
I don't see the logic in keeping players if you are worse because of it year after year.

You know what? In TWO YEARS I assume you will be a better man than I, and admit you are wrong...........

- JIwasinskiJr


I am not opposed to trading Chara if the return is fair and we can immediately replace him with a legit top pairing defenceman. Ideally one that is young. I don't believe shelling out top dollars for Yandle is a smart move. If he signed for 5 million that would be great. 6 million would be borderline ok. But if it exceeds 6 million I would take a pass.

I am not a total believer in the advanced stats. I think their is some merit to them but not crazy over them. I know Chara is a top 25 dman in a few traditional stat categories. Goals, Assists, Points. As well he has a respectable plus minus.

My thought process is, with the clearing out of Kelly's deal (3million), Lucic dollars (2.75mil), Seidenberg (4mil), and Louie (4.5mil), That is a whack of cash to bring in a top pairing defenceman and still retain Chara. I am pretty sure Chara would look at lot better with a legitimate top pairing defencman then playing with Trotman. Who I should quit ragging on but the poor guy is being put in a tough situation.
Tachmo
Boston Bruins
Location: Canada, SK
Joined: 07.01.2008

Feb 11 @ 11:52 AM ET
So Seidenberg......paid like a second pairing guy will bring in.......another second pairing guy?

But, Chara, paid like a top pairing guy will not?

Simple. Both are OLD and would help CONTENDERS. They are still solid in the right positions.

Chara is a fourth/third on a Kings/Hawks team.

Seidenberg is a 4-5 on a Kings or Hawks team.

The idea that keeping Chara will somehow help NEXT SEASON is crazy to me.

Chara is not the top guy you want him to be. If we keep him and Seidnberg and play through next season.............ITS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
I don't see the logic in keeping players if you are worse because of it year after year.

You know what? In TWO YEARS I assume you will be a better man than I, and admit you are wrong...........

- JIwasinskiJr


We have others to fill in for Seidenberg. A second pairing dman is much easier to replace then a top pairing dman.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Feb 11 @ 11:59 AM ET
Have I told you lately that I love you.
- dothedougie


Awwww. I was worried. Thank you

dothedougie
Boston Bruins
Location: DISCLAIMER: HEAVY SARCASM FILTER, CO
Joined: 10.24.2013

Feb 11 @ 12:06 PM ET
Awwww. I was worried. Thank you


- glove_was_stuck

glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Feb 11 @ 12:30 PM ET
Ignoring the glaring holes on D...what do people think about trying to acquire Cam Atkinson from Columbus to play next to Bergeron/Marchand? Signed at 3.5mil for 2 more years after this one...pretty consistent 20 goal scorer...for the same cap hit as Connolly + Hayes.

I dont know much about him other than what I can see for stats. Would the jackets even deal him?

- Willspencer10


Not sure what the jackets are looking for. I really like Atkinson but I'm more interested to see what Vatrano can really offer.
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