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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Mar 8 @ 11:35 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: Fleury Leads Penguins Past Kings + Some Power Play X's and O's Fleury Leads Penguins Over Kings + Some Power Play X's and O's
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Mar 8 @ 11:41 AM ET
Anyone else have their excitement about Murray tempered when they read the name Brust? who?
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Mar 8 @ 11:42 AM ET
Nice read. I felt like the issue for the Penguins lately (and especially last night) hasn't been about what they're doing inside the zone, it's been about getting into the zone. They manufactured a bunch of juicy power play chances last night, but when it takes 30 seconds just to get in the zone, you're not going to get many of those chances.

I'm going to leave this here because it's worth not getting lost in yesterday's post:

Sutter hasn't been on the ice for an even strength goal against since February 1st, a span of 15 games. Crosby has been on the ice for 8, Malkin 7 in that time frame.

As I've said for a year now, judging Sutter by any kind of shot-based criteria is lunacy. All you have to do is look at his defensive style. It's based on stickwork, perfect positioning, and funneling forwards to the perimeter.

He's not a shot suppression kind of shutdown center, he's a goal suppression kind of shutdown center. And that's fine by me.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Mar 8 @ 11:46 AM ET
Nice read. I felt like the issue for the Penguins lately (and especially last night) hasn't been about what they're doing inside the zone, it's been about getting into the zone. They manufactured a bunch of juicy power play chances last night, but when it takes 30 seconds just to get in the zone, you're not going to get many of those chances.

I'm going to leave this here because it's worth not getting lost in yesterday's post:

Sutter hasn't been on the ice for an even strength goal against since February 1st, a span of 15 games. Crosby has been on the ice for 8, Malkin 7 in that time frame.

As I've said for a year now, judging Sutter by any kind of shot-based criteria is lunacy. All you have to do is look at his defensive style. It's based on stickwork, perfect positioning, and funneling forwards to the perimeter.

He's not a shot suppression kind of shutdown center, he's a goal suppression kind of shutdown center. And that's fine by me.

- hardnosed


Except your argument is baseless as GA/60 isn't repeatable on an individual basis.
Yonk1216
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Scranton, PA
Joined: 02.24.2011

Mar 8 @ 11:56 AM ET
Except your argument is baseless as GA/60 isn't repeatable on an individual basis.
- jfkst1


And that's exactly why a strictly analytic approach to the game doesn't work either.

"Possession in this game was close but for whatever reason the amount of shots the Penguins physically put on net was lower. The Kings out shot the Penguin 31-18."

The reason was because the Kings were blocking shots left and right.... a blocked shot that is retained is good... a blocked shot that is immediately turned the other way is a possession stat padder.

Anyone who watched that game will tell you the Kings dominated and Fleury stole the 2 points with an incredible performance..... but when you look at possession numbers and only see a 52.5/47.5 split you think it was an evenly matched game.

Possession numbers will help you hang around in a game but you should lose 75% of the games you're outshot by 13 shots regardless of how many shots you've taken that aren't on net or are blocked.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Mar 8 @ 12:03 PM ET
I'd like a sid-malkin-horn-perron-letang PP. Tell horn to stick your ass in front of the net and don't move. If horn needs to go in the corner to chase the puck then tell perron to get in front of the net. Letang has a bomb and needs to be encouraged more to shoot and the same for malkin and sid.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Mar 8 @ 12:09 PM ET
And that's exactly why a strictly analytic approach to the game doesn't work either.

"Possession in this game was close but for whatever reason the amount of shots the Penguins physically put on net was lower. The Kings out shot the Penguin 31-18."

The reason was because the Kings were blocking shots left and right.... a blocked shot that is retained is good... a blocked shot that is immediately turned the other way is a possession stat padder.

Anyone who watched that game will tell you the Kings dominated and Fleury stole the 2 points with an incredible performance..... but when you look at possession numbers and only see a 52.5/47.5 split you think it was an evenly matched game.

Possession numbers will help you hang around in a game but you should lose 75% of the games you're outshot by 13 shots regardless of how many shots you've taken that aren't on net or are blocked.

- Yonk1216


The 52.5/47.5 split is Corsi. Fenwick (Unblocked Shot Attempts) will represent a wider disparity in that game. Fenwick Close has the highest predictive value.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Mar 8 @ 12:13 PM ET
I'd like to point out... that like last night, Sid has had over 20 of those near miss shots/saves this season where it could have should have been a goal. Had just five of those actually went in... would we even be discusssing him being hurt or something wrong mentally, or just calling this a bit of a down season due to injuries?

I still say something is wrong, but jesus, the bad puck luck on him.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 8 @ 12:14 PM ET
Except your argument is baseless as GA/60 isn't repeatable on an individual basis.
- jfkst1


Or you could just actually watch the game to know he really doesn't bring much to the ice when he's playing. It's pretty much given that when the 3/4 lines are on the ice, you're not gonna miss anything if you need to take a piss.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Mar 8 @ 12:17 PM ET
I'd like a sid-malkin-horn-perron-letang PP. Tell horn to stick your ass in front of the net and don't move. If horn needs to go in the corner to chase the puck then tell perron to get in front of the net. Letang has a bomb and needs to be encouraged more to shoot and the same for malkin and sid.
- drummer829


Being stationary is what has gotten the Pens PP in the dumps. Its extremely easy to predict whats going to happen. The puck is going to either 87 or 71 and neither are moving much. Watch OV on the Caps PP. He moves up and down that entire side of the ice. PH should be in front and also moving to open ice where he can utilize his shot.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Mar 8 @ 12:21 PM ET
Or you could just actually watch the game to know he really doesn't bring much to the ice when he's playing. It's pretty much given that when the 3/4 lines are on the ice, you're not gonna miss anything if you need to take a piss.
- sammy87


I actually think Sutter has been playing better recently. Maybe that is due to all the talk about replacing him with Kesler last year and Staal this year. Or perhaps improved linemates.
szielinski
Joined: 01.21.2015

Mar 8 @ 12:22 PM ET
The Pens must figure out their PP if they want to advance to the SC Finals.
thickman1178
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.21.2013

Mar 8 @ 12:25 PM ET
Our PP worked better with Martin and Letang on the back end, IMO. Martin just has the vision out there to QB the PP so that Tanger doesn't have to.

I think Tanger is better off being the point shooter than the QB. He seems too tentative and too quick to pass. And when he does shoot its usually a wrister. He used to kill it with his one time slapper from the point.

Ill take Horqvist, Malkin, Crosby, Tanger and Martin on the PP. Sid can post up in front of the net or behind it and Hornqvist can pull out to the left side wall, or drive the net if Sid is behind it.
Sell My Monkey
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States
Joined: 05.02.2008

Mar 8 @ 12:28 PM ET
The Pens must figure out their PP if they want to advance to the SC Finals.
- szielinski


Because beating the league points leader and cup champs on the road in back to back games isn't impressive?

Tough crowd.
thickman1178
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.21.2013

Mar 8 @ 12:38 PM ET
Because beating the league points leader and cup champs on the road in back to back games isn't impressive?

Tough crowd.

- Sell My Monkey



Hey its great to beat them, but every goal counts. If we can get the PP clicking its all the better and takes the pressure of Fleury.
puckhog
Joined: 08.29.2008

Mar 8 @ 12:41 PM ET
Because beating the league points leader and cup champs on the road in back to back games isn't impressive?

Tough crowd.

- Sell My Monkey


Well, last night they got 2 points but they didnt earn 2 points. They were simply outplayed by the Kings. Fleury saved their collective a$$e$ and got a lucky break frm a smart play by Martin. Toffoli was really surprised to see him there. Those are the breaks in a game like this.
willi
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Canada
Joined: 01.30.2015

Mar 8 @ 12:48 PM ET
Pens biggest problem on the PP is zone entries. Last night they tried the drop play at the red line (Letang to Malkin) but if the original puck carrier isn't moving with speed it doesn't drive the opposing team back. Detroit is the best in the league at it. When Detroit comes up the ice you know the drop pass is coming but you have to respect the speed of the puck carrier.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Mar 8 @ 12:52 PM ET
Well, last night they got 2 points but they didnt earn 2 points. They were simply outplayed by the Kings. Fleury saved their collective a$$e$ and got a lucky break frm a smart play by Martin. Toffoli was really surprised to see him there. Those are the breaks in a game like this.
- puckhog



I wonder what its like to be stupid... not just a little bit stupid, but really really stupid, like you puckhog.
szielinski
Joined: 01.21.2015

Mar 8 @ 12:56 PM ET
Because beating the league points leader and cup champs on the road in back to back games isn't impressive?

Tough crowd.

- Sell My Monkey


The wins were impressive. But a PP equal to the talent of the players on it would be much more impressive, and reassuring.
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Mar 8 @ 12:56 PM ET
Except your argument is baseless as GA/60 isn't repeatable on an individual basis.
- jfkst1


No ES goals allowed in 15 games. Could care less about "advanced" stats.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Mar 8 @ 1:00 PM ET

I agree the PP is too static. Looks like they are overthinking.
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Mar 8 @ 1:00 PM ET
Or you could just actually watch the game to know he really doesn't bring much to the ice when he's playing.
- sammy87


Unlike many around here, I watch every game. And until Winnik came in, anything the 3rd line did good offensively was because of Sutter.

And he's been on the ice for 10 goals during that same 15 game stretch.

You must have been in the lavatory for those.
hardnosed
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.23.2008

Mar 8 @ 1:02 PM ET
Pens biggest problem on the PP is zone entries. Last night they tried the drop play at the red line (Letang to Malkin) but if the original puck carrier isn't moving with speed it doesn't drive the opposing team back. Detroit is the best in the league at it. When Detroit comes up the ice you know the drop pass is coming but you have to respect the speed of the puck carrier.
- willi


Bingo. Once set up they're fine. It's getting setup which is presenting the biggest problem against teams that are aggressive.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:19 PM ET
Three things I'd like to point out:
- the shot total differencial Was due to our inept PP. We passed on at least 8-10 shots on the PPs we got;

- the game Was Hard fought and anyone who scored first would clearly win the game. LA Was a little better in the game but we were good too.

- please don't talk about Ehrhoff when the guy is down. He's a starter on this team no matter What and is playing fine hockey.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:25 PM ET
Grigorenko sent down for the 10th time in Buffalo. If Bennett doesn't work out I'd be willing to swap both players.
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