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Ryan Wilson: Trend To Keep An Eye Out
Trend To Keep An Eye Out For Those Pesky Flyers
- Ryan_Wilson

Always the Flyers fault

Definitely a bad trend indeed. MAF was a Vezina candidate into December. Now, not so much.

I still think MAF has overall played very well this year. I don't recall too many times where I thought he let in a bad goal or blew a game for them.

I'm all for Griess getting more time. I don't understand why they haven't played him more. He's proven to be a more than competent backup.

Is there any way to add in a similiar chart mapping the teams corsi/fenwick during this time period?

I would like to know whether or not it is simply the case of head games, or if it is the team starting to suffer from poor depth and injury. Watching it seems like a combination, Fleury is trying to overwork positioning again; however, with team in some struggles recently, it could very well be that his regression was greatened by poor puck control and shot suppression.

Definitely a bad trend indeed. MAF was a Vezina candidate into December. Now, not so much.

I still think MAF has overall played very well this year. I don't recall too many times where I thought he let in a bad goal or blew a game for them.

I'm all for Griess getting more time. I don't understand why they haven't played him more. He's proven to be a more than competent backup.
- 87_71_11_29

Statisticaly he's a starter, he should have been playing 30 games this year. Wasted talent, and I'm a big MAF fan, but they need to right the ship.

That is not a trend. That is like a sinking ship.

Who can we blame?
Fleury?
Defense?
Suttard?
Coaching?
Hockey God's?
Fatigue?

Pick one, please.

Should the team in front of Fleury be to blame for his dip in save percentage? And if so what are you really saying about the goaltending position as a whole?
- Ryan_Wilson

It says that the goaltending and team-wide defense (not just the defensemen) go hand-in-hand, but that a good goalie can make a bad team good, and that a great goalie can make a good team great. It's why the Rangers have had so much success with Lundqvist (at least on the defensive side): they're a good team with a great goalie, and it's made them a legit SCF contender.

That is not a trend. That is like a sinking ship.

Who can we blame?
Fleury?
Defense?
Suttard?
Coaching?
Hockey God's?
Fatigue?

Pick one, please.
- powerhouse

Fatigue from injuries.....

And natural regression back to norms for Fleury.

That is not a trend. That is like a sinking ship.

Who can we blame?
Fleury?
Defense?
Suttard?
Coaching?
Hockey God's?
Fatigue?

Pick one, please.
- powerhouse

Probably a bit of the goalie, the defense, the coaching, and fatigue. To pin it one one specific culprit would be as easy as writing a blog blaming Sutter alone with all kinds of fancy graphs.

It says that the goaltending and team-wide defense (not just the defensemen) go hand-in-hand, but that a good goalie can make a bad team good, and that a great goalie can make a good team great. It's why the Rangers have had so much success with Lundqvist (at least on the defensive side): they're a good team with a great goalie, and it's made them a legit SCF contender.
- jmatchett383

As you've rightly said, he's inconsistent. I'd just love to see the months of October and November repeated in April and May. Just be on that 'high' at the right time of year.

Probably a bit of the goalie, the defense, the coaching, and fatigue. To pin it one one specific culprit would be as easy as writing a blog blaming Sutter alone with all kinds of fancy graphs.
- jmatchett383

Please follow the directions. Looking for a scapegoat here.

Definitely a bad trend indeed. MAF was a Vezina candidate into December. Now, not so much.

I still think MAF has overall played very well this year. I don't recall too many times where I thought he let in a bad goal or blew a game for them.

I'm all for Griess getting more time. I don't understand why they haven't played him more. He's proven to be a more than competent backup.
- 87_71_11_29

Just saw you saying stwippers on TV.

Please follow the directions. Looking for a scapegoat here.
- powerhouse

As you've rightly said, he's inconsistent. I'd just love to see the months of October and November repeated in April and May. Just be on that 'high' at the right time of year.
- walshy66

*insert malkin bingo gif*

As you've rightly said, he's inconsistent. I'd just love to see the months of October and November repeated in April and May. Just be on that 'high' at the right time of year.
- walshy66

I think he's a good enough goalie to win on a good enough team, in the end. There will be peaks and valleys, you just have to hope that the valleys will be small enough that his play gives the team a chance to win every game (or, series). I think that a healthy version of the current Penguins team can be a Cup winner as long as they get above-average goaltending, which is more or less what MAF should be able to deliver on a somewhat consistent basis. If they need Vezina-caliber goaltending, well then they may be up a creek.

*insert malkin bingo gif*
- usethe1-2-2

That thing is awesome.

I think he's a good enough goalie to win on a good enough team, in the end. There will be peaks and valleys, you just have to hope that the valleys will be small enough that his play gives the team a chance to win every game (or, series). I think that a healthy version of the current Penguins team can be a Cup winner as long as they get above-average goaltending, which is more or less what MAF should be able to deliver on a somewhat consistent basis. If they need Vezina-caliber goaltending, well then they may be up a creek.
- jmatchett383

Last point - Bingo

Play Fleury 2 games then Griess for a game for the next month or two and then let MAF play the final few weeks to get in a rhythm. No sense in over playing the starter when you have a capable backup which I believe was the main reason that he was brought into the organization.

This is a team in a rut.

Injuries and the 'time of year'(?) are playing a part in some pretty uninspired hockey.

Crosby was terrible Sunday...along with the rest of his team.

At this point blaming the goaltending is off center.

In a league that is so dictated by systems and possession...it's clear the Penguins right now are not very good at imposing their will on very many teams...and that is almost certainly the most important aspect of team play that...when not present...leads to goalies either having to be brilliant or looking very average. Neither goalie has been brilliant of late...and Fleury definitely should see a few more games from the bench...but the goalies are not to blame for the problems right now.

Since the middle of January...the 16th...the Pens are 2-4-2

They have scored 16 goals in 8 games and 5 of them came in 1 game versus the Jets.

That's 11 goals in the other 7 games ...with a 1-4-2 record.

The problem with this team right now is that its not playing good hockey and it's not scoring goals.

They have given up 25 goals in the 8 games (which is about 1 goal a game too much for todays NHL)...but 8 of those were in the last two pitiful shutout losses to the Caps (0-4) and the Preds (0-4). I don't think anybody believes they lost those games because of the goaltending.

I really hope MAF leaves at some point and turns around on his way across the veterans bridge and gives Pittsburgh the double middle finger, and then we go through ten years of awful net minding like J.S. Aubin, Sebass Caron, and Jocelyn Thibault.

He is the best goalie in the history of the Penguins organization, im done arguing this; F Sutter

F Starters

This is a team in a rut.

Injuries and the 'time of year'(?) are playing a part in some pretty uninspired hockey.

Crosby was terrible Sunday...along with the rest of his team.

At this point blaming the goaltending is off center.

In a league that is so dictated by systems and possession...it's clear the Penguins right now are not very good at imposing their will on very many teams...and that is almost certainly the most important aspect of team play that...when not present...leads to goalies either having to be brilliant or looking very average. Neither goalie has been brilliant of late...and Fleury definitely should see a few more games from the bench...but the goalies are not to blame for the problems right now.

Since the middle of January...the 16th...the Pens are 2-4-2

They have scored 16 goals in 8 games and 5 of them came in 1 game versus the Jets.

That's 11 goals in the other 7 games ...with a 1-4-2 record.

The problem with this team right now is that its not playing good hockey and it's not scoring goals.

They have given up 25 goals in the 8 games (which is about 1 goal a game too much for todays NHL)...but 8 of those were in the last two pitiful shutout losses to the Caps (0-4) and the Preds (0-4). I don't think anybody believes they lost those games because of the goaltending.
- icedog97

Mid December they really started to struggle, I think thats the same time the injuries hit but if the Pens dont right the ship, that would be 2 months of the season coming up soon where they cant win clutch games and are being dominated.

That is not a trend. That is like a sinking ship.

Who can we blame?
Fleury?
Defense?
Suttard?
Coaching?
Hockey God's?
Fatigue?

Pick one, please.
- powerhouse

Interesting question you pose. If you had to rank em (in terms of who/what you blame from most to least), how would you? My take...

1. Injuries (specifically Geno, Comeau, and Horny adding more to recent swoon)
2. Jan/Feb dog days (implies I think they'll snap out of this in another week or two)
3. PP going in the tank (so much talent, so little results)
4. MAF regressing towards his statistical mean
5. 87's inability to score goals (tons of chances, few results)
6. Lack of chemistry (new players coming in, WBS shuttle)
7. Lack of depth
8. Rise of the Isles, Rags, Caps

Interesting question you pose. If you had to rank em (in terms of who/what you blame from most to least), how would you? My take...

1. Injuries (specifically Geno, Comeau, and Horny adding more to recent swoon)
2. Jan/Feb dog days (implies I think they'll snap out of this in another week or two)
3. PP going in the tank (so much talent, so little results)
4. MAF regressing towards his statistical mean
5. 87's inability to score goals (tons of chances, few results)
6. Lack of chemistry (new players coming in, WBS shuttle)
7. Lack of depth
8. Rise of the Isles, Rags, Caps
- 87_71_11_29

If you ask me it has a lot to do with turnover, new systems, and personnel choices.

The top line has two left wings, the second line has to right wings. The third line and fourth line are 4th line and AHL lines. Geno and Comeau help push out the bad. Get Winnik or Bergy and you are in business.

Roll out with Perron - Sid - Horny
Kunitz - Malkin - Bennet
and whatever combo of the remaining we can get and I think you are fine.

Goaltending giveth, goaltending giveth away

(unless you have Lundqvist)

So... should we start making up pitiful trade rumors for Crosby/Malkin again? Or perhaps a package deal to ship out Sutter, Scuderi, and Martin to free up cap space for unrealistic trade targets?

Or ya know... just accept poop is gonna happen and then go insane over whatever lineup we have come the week before the playoffs. I can convince myself Adams on the 4th will win a Cup >_>