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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Dec 13 @ 5:10 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Dismantle Carolina
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 13 @ 5:12 PM ET
A definite step in the right direction, but keep in mind, this was/is the worst team in the league.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 13 @ 5:12 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Dismantle Carolina
- bmeltzer

Solid effort and all around victory. Today's game is one they should have won but you can't take away how they won it. They went out and did what they are suppose to.

I do still have some concerns though. We know that our PK is at the bottom of the league, so I have to ask why adjustments aren't made in this area of our game. The only goal allowed on us against the Devils was a PP goal with Luke Schenn and Nickolas Grossmann on the ice. Same thing happened today. So, isn't it clear that these 2 shouldn't be on the ice together on the PK? Wouldn't it make sense to split them on the PK? If you possibly put together Schenn and MacDonald, Grossmann and Coburn on two separate pairs, shouldn't we see an automatic improvement? I can't blame the players for this, to me this falls upon the shoulders of the Coach.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 13 @ 5:14 PM ET
A definite step in the right direction, but keep in mind, this was/is the worst team in the league.
- LeftCoaster


True, but it's also a club that has done a good job of hanging tough in low-scoring games -- look at most of the final scores over the past six weeks. The Canes' can't score but they usually defend pretty well. It was impressive how the Flyers took it to them today

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 13 @ 5:18 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Dismantle Carolina
- bmeltzer


The Flyers came out and did exactly what they had to do against a bad team. They played well, executed well and continued to press play for the majority of the game. Carolina got chances later in the game as they opened it up more, and Mason was very sharp when he was called upon.

They got goals from the secondary lines and that's what they will need to have a shot of getting back into the playoff picture.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 13 @ 5:26 PM ET
The Flyers came out and did exactly what they had to do against a bad team. They played well, executed well and continued to press play for the majority of the game. Carolina got chances later in the game as they opened it up more, and Mason was very sharp when he was called upon.

They got goals from the secondary lines and that's what they will need to have a shot of getting back into the playoff picture.

- Jsaquella



Did you catch Grossmann's end to end rush, complete with deke, & shot?

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 13 @ 5:29 PM ET
Did you catch Grossmann's end to end rush, complete with deke, & shot?


- puckhead17


It was amazing. A few minutes before, he flubbed a pass behind his own net, and then makes like Bobby Orr
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Dec 13 @ 5:32 PM ET
mcdavid ill always love you
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Dec 13 @ 5:33 PM ET
It was amazing. A few minutes before, he flubbed a pass behind his own net, and then makes like Bobby Orr
- Jsaquella



Luke actually scored a goal like that for Toronto, against Boston.

Not sure how, the Bruins must have all been on robitussin that night.

Or maybe they were on nyquil?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 13 @ 5:44 PM ET
Flyers with 8 out of a possible 12 points in December.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 13 @ 5:53 PM ET
Flyers with 8 out of a possible 12 points in December.
- MJL

Voracek leading the league in points at the moment, three points from 40. It isn't even mid December yet. It's not even mid season yet.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 13 @ 5:56 PM ET
Voracek leading the league in points at the moment, three points from 40. It isn't even mid December yet. It's not even mid season yet.
- SuperSchennBros


He's just flat out awesome right now. Kudos to Paul Holmgren.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 13 @ 5:58 PM ET
He's just flat out awesome right now. Kudos to Paul Holmgren.
- MJL

KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Dec 13 @ 6:00 PM ET
Only 11 comments?

I guess the Flyers won.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 13 @ 6:03 PM ET
Only 11 comments?

I guess the Flyers won.

- KGBflyers10


Yep, the tanking talk has ceased, and I guess Couturier and Read no longer suck.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 13 @ 6:06 PM ET

- flyer_nutter

unfortunately for those who get off on bashing him, his tenure as GM actually did have alot of positive points.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Dec 13 @ 6:07 PM ET
He's just flat out awesome right now. Kudos to Paul Holmgren.
- MJL


For the most part I liked what Homer did with the team. Homer's issue was overpaying and making desperate moves. When he was desperate we got stuck with guys like Bryzgalov and L.Schenn. When it came to contract negotiations he always went for the overpay and sign long term to lower the hit. Because of that Philosophy Lecavalier is signed for the next while, we are stuck with Pronger's contract (Granted he admitted it was due to a misunderstanding on his part), Hartnell was signed to a long term contract that partly lead to trading him, Streit and MacDonald are signed too long expecially for a guy who had one good year. Even the Briere signing was bad IMO. The contract was way too long, we got lucky with the buyout to waste the space on Vinny
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Dec 13 @ 6:12 PM ET
For the most part I liked what Homer did with the team. Homer's issue was overpaying and making desperate moves. When he was desperate we got stuck with guys like Bryzgalov and L.Schenn. When it came to contract negotiations he always went for the overpay and sign long term to lower the hit. Because of that Philosophy Lecavalier is signed for the next while, we are stuck with Pronger's contract (Granted he admitted it was due to a misunderstanding on his part), Hartnell was signed to a long term contract that partly lead to trading him, Streit and MacDonald are signed too long expecially for a guy who had one good year. Even the Briere signing was bad IMO. The contract was way too long, we got lucky with the buyout to waste the space on Vinny
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



The length of Briere's signing was to mitigate his cap hit and the deal was frontloaded to entice him to come to Philly as a UFA after the team was coming off the worst year in franchise history. His signing was a huge part of the team's turnaround and his playoff stats alone made him worth every bit of the deal, let alone what he meant as a dressing room guy and team representative in other ways. The last few years of the deal and the buyout at the end --- which were solely due to the cap going down and the amnesty option to eliminate the cap hit -- were a small price to pay when everything is considered

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 13 @ 6:13 PM ET
For the most part I liked what Homer did with the team. Homer's issue was overpaying and making desperate moves. When he was desperate we got stuck with guys like Bryzgalov and L.Schenn. When it came to contract negotiations he always went for the overpay and sign long term to lower the hit. Because of that Philosophy Lecavalier is signed for the next while, we are stuck with Pronger's contract (Granted he admitted it was due to a misunderstanding on his part), Hartnell was signed to a long term contract that partly lead to trading him, Streit and MacDonald are signed too long expecially for a guy who had one good year. Even the Briere signing was bad IMO. The contract was way too long, we got lucky with the buyout to waste the space on Vinny
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Holmgren had his share of mistakes, but he also did a ton of good. And he put a core together that I think is going to carry this team for a considerable amount of time, as the Flyers develop back into a top team. I have different feelings on some of the signings then you do, but I'll refrain from commenting on them individually.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Dec 13 @ 6:13 PM ET
unfortunately for those who get off on bashing him, his tenure as GM actually did have alot of positive points.
- Crimsoninja


It did. The trouble is, some people feel like if you criticize anything about him, you need to include a litany of his good moves or you're not being objective about his tenure. Same goes for Berube or anyone else associated with the team.

Holmgren absolutely did some great things as GM. He took over a team that finished in last place and had it in the Stanley Cup Final in the space of 4 years. You don't do that unless you make some good moves.

The trouble is, the Flyers right now are an expensive, mediocre team. That's part of the legacy, as well. As with most things, there's good and bad. Ignoring the bad and constantly touting the good doesn't make one a better fan, it makes one a cheerleader, not an objective fan.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 13 @ 6:13 PM ET
The length of Briere's signing was to mitigate his cap hit and the deal was frontloaded to entice him to come to Philly as a UFA after the team was coming off the worst year in franchise history. His signing was a huge part of the team's turnaround and his playoff stats alone made him worth every bit of the deal, let alone what he meant as a dressing room guy and team representative in other ways. The last few years of the deal and the buyout at the end --- which were solely due to the cap going down and the amnesty option to eliminate the cap hit -- were a small price to pay when everything is considered
- bmeltzer



flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 13 @ 6:19 PM ET
unfortunately for those who get off on bashing him, his tenure as GM actually did have alot of positive points.
- Crimsoninja


Alright?

This song and dance has been done. No need to try and change the minds of those who already have them made up.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 13 @ 6:20 PM ET
It did. The trouble is, some people feel like if you criticize anything about him, you need to include a litany of his good moves or you're not being objective about his tenure. Same goes for Berube or anyone else associated with the team.

Holmgren absolutely did some great things as GM. He took over a team that finished in last place and had it in the Stanley Cup Final in the space of 4 years. You don't do that unless you make some good moves.

The trouble is, the Flyers right now are an expensive, mediocre team. That's part of the legacy, as well. As with most things, there's good and bad. Ignoring the bad and constantly touting the good doesn't make one a better fan, it makes one a cheerleader, not an objective fan.

- Jsaquella


This is a complete misrepresentation of the culture of this site, these days. You claim that not mentioning Holmgren's good moves, doesn't mean that you aren't objective. From my point of view, objectivity is looking at the good and the bad. You have zero problem criticizing Berube for pretty much every move he makes, and then balk when that's labeled as lacking objectivity. When that is the perfect example of what not being objective is about.
As far as your last statement is concerned, there is a flip side. Ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad, doesn't make one a better fan either, nor does it make one an objective fan. What your response really is, is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 13 @ 6:21 PM ET
It did. The trouble is, some people feel like if you criticize anything about him, you need to include a litany of his good moves or you're not being objective about his tenure. Same goes for Berube or anyone else associated with the team.

Holmgren absolutely did some great things as GM. He took over a team that finished in last place and had it in the Stanley Cup Final in the space of 4 years. You don't do that unless you make some good moves.

The trouble is, the Flyers right now are an expensive, mediocre team. That's part of the legacy, as well. As with most things, there's good and bad. Ignoring the bad and constantly touting the good doesn't make one a better fan, it makes one a cheerleader, not an objective fan.

- Jsaquella

no question. My response was intended for those that seem to ignore the good and constantly point out the bad
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Dec 13 @ 6:21 PM ET
This is a complete misrepresentation of the culture of this site, these days. You claim that not mentioning Holmgren's good moves, doesn't mean that you aren't objective. From my point of view, objectivity is looking at the good and the bad. You have zero problem criticizing Berube for pretty much every move he makes, and then balk when that's labeled as lacking objectivity. When that is the perfect example of what not being objective is about.
As far as your last statement is concerned, there is a flip side. Ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad, doesn't make one a better fan either, nor does it make one an objective fan. What your response really is, is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

- MJL


Or we could all just give a bit less of a (frank) about what others think, and whether we agree we it? Blah blah.
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