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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Nov 24 @ 10:31 AM ET
Ryan Wilson: Should Penguins Be Looking At A Star Winger? Should Penguins Be Looking At A Star Winger?
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Nov 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
Dumoulin, Blueger, and a 4th for Perron

Edm gets a young defenseman that can start playing right now, a young center with potential to be a top 9 guy, and a draft pick, Penguins get Dupuis's replacement.
s0rcerer1984
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, VA
Joined: 07.03.2008

Nov 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
I tend to agree about Perron being a very solid target. The other two players I could see the Penguins taking a look at would be Tulusty (CAR) and Frolik (WPG)either no or as UFA's this offseson.

Both are younger, pending UFA's who could work long-term. Carolina is obviously out of it already, but Winnipeg is staying competitive. Still, in the Central division they could find themselves out of the Playoff picture by deadline time. For either of them I would be less willing to pay a price in assets than for Perron, who is signed for 1 more year.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Nov 24 @ 10:49 AM ET
I've loved Perron since he was with the blues and when I saw that mediocre package they got from the oilers for him, I immediatley thought the pens should have jumped on that. But Perron isn't getting them a top center unless it's combined with someone like yakupov. Perron will get you what he did before, which is a mid tier prospect and a 2nd or 3rd round pick depending on that prospect.

The name out there I like is Boedker. The yotes are like the preds, they need a true scorer. If they get a true scorer from trading Yandle, I think Boedker could be had. They could also use some defense too if Yandle does leave and Michalek walks next season
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Nov 24 @ 10:52 AM ET
I've loved Perron since he was with the blues and when I saw that mediocre package they got from the oilers for him, I immediatley thought the pens should have jumped on that. But Perron isn't getting them a top center unless it's combined with someone like yakupov. Perron will get you what he did before, which is a mid tier prospect and a 2nd or 3rd round pick depending on that prospect.

The name out there I like is Boedker. The yotes are like the preds, they need a true scorer. If they get a true scorer from trading Yandle, I think Boedker could be had. They could also use some defense too if Yandle does leave and Michalek walks next season

- drummer829


The Yotes are not trading Boedker.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Nov 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
I've loved Perron since he was with the blues and when I saw that mediocre package they got from the oilers for him, I immediatley thought the pens should have jumped on that. But Perron isn't getting them a top center unless it's combined with someone like yakupov. Perron will get you what he did before, which is a mid tier prospect and a 2nd or 3rd round pick depending on that prospect.

The name out there I like is Boedker. The yotes are like the preds, they need a true scorer. If they get a true scorer from trading Yandle, I think Boedker could be had. They could also use some defense too if Yandle does leave and Michalek walks next season

- drummer829

Someone on twitter suggested Oil and Av's are talking Perron and Yak for ROR. We can't really touch that package
Pitt2Germany
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.17.2014

Nov 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
couldn't' agree moreā€¦ hate to sound cliche, but he would flourish in a change of scenery, even more so with 87 or 71. I mean, what did the dude put up 57 pts last year on a bad team?
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Nov 24 @ 10:54 AM ET
The Yotes are not trading Boedker.
- cap1681

Nope they need offense they aren't trading him
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Nov 24 @ 10:56 AM ET
RIP Pat Quinn
Stillson14
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Joined: 07.09.2014

Nov 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
I'm not on board the Perron train, but Tlusty may be exactly what the Pens need. I still maintain that 72 fits best with 87 and his straight line game. Tlusty is a guy with a decent shot that can find open areas, so he makes the most sense with 71.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Nov 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
The Yotes are not trading Boedker.
- cap1681


That's what I thought about Hornqvist with the preds.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Nov 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
In regards to Perron.

http://oilersnation.com/2...14/11/23/long-gone-perron
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Nov 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
Someone on twitter suggested Oil and Av's are talking Perron and Yak for ROR. We can't really touch that package
- dbell646


Sutter for Perron and yaks
Stillson14
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Joined: 07.09.2014

Nov 24 @ 10:59 AM ET
Someone on twitter suggested Oil and Av's are talking Perron and Yak for ROR. We can't really touch that package
- dbell646

I don't understand that trade at all from COL's standpoint. They're awful defensively, why would they look to bring in top 6 forward talent?

Doesn't make sense for Edmonton either. Both teams are defensive dumpster fires.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Nov 24 @ 11:02 AM ET
That's what I thought about Hornqvist with the preds.
- drummer829


Different when your trading for a top end winger. If Boedker were to be traded, it would have to be a deal that blows Arizona away. Just don't see what the Pens have that could do that.
s0rcerer1984
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, VA
Joined: 07.03.2008

Nov 24 @ 11:02 AM ET
Dumoulin, Blueger, and a 4th for Perron

Edm gets a young defenseman that can start playing right now, a young center with potential to be a top 9 guy, and a draft pick, Penguins get Dupuis's replacement.

- cap1681


Honestly, I don't see that deal working at all. Edmonton needs a C now and Blueger obviously isn't NHL ready at the moment.

Who are the available Top-6 C's around the league at the moment? The only ones I can think of are below:

E. Staal - Has 1 more yrs at $8.25M/yr, older player at age 30, & has a NTC
J. Thorton - Has 2 more yrs at $6.75M/yr, much older player at age 35 & has a NMC
M. Richards - Has 5 more yrs at $5.75M/yr, older player at age 29, & possibly has a NTC

I realize he isn't the Gold standard, but Sutter (age 25) at $3.3M/yr w/ no NTC seems like the best option out there. To me, that means the landscape would favor the Pens, as I do beleive Perron (W) is a better player/need for the Pens than Sutter (C).

EDIT: Forgot about ROR. He would indeed be a better option for Edm over Sutter.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Nov 24 @ 11:05 AM ET
Honestly, I don't see that deal working at all. Edmonton needs a C now and Blueger obviously isn't NHL ready at the moment.

Who are the available Top-6 C's around the league at the moment? The only ones I can think of are below:

E. Staal - Has 1 more yrs at $8.25M/yr, older player at age 30, & has a NTC
J. Thorton - Has 2 more yrs at $6.75M/yr, much older player at age 35 & has a NMC
M. Richards - Has 5 more yrs at $5.75M/yr, older player at age 29, & possibly has a NTC

I realize he isn't the Gold standard, but Sutter (age 25) at $3.3M/yr w/ no NTC seems like the best option out there. To me, that means the landscape would favor the Pens, as I do beleive Perron (W) is a better player/need for the Pens than Sutter (C).

- s0rcerer1984


The Oilers are high if they think Perron will return a top 6 center, especially since they set the bar last year when they traded for him.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Nov 24 @ 11:10 AM ET
I don't understand that trade at all from COL's standpoint. They're awful defensively, why would they look to bring in top 6 forward talent?

Doesn't make sense for Edmonton either. Both teams are defensive dumpster fires.

- Stillson14

I thought both teams would be looking for d help but reports are Edmonton wants a top center for Perron as dumb as that sounds. From the av's standpoint thats a no brainer right? RoR has been a pain in the ass and likely doesn't resign. They get 2 good wings and cap relief. At least I think they get relief I'm to lazy to look it up
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:10 AM ET
The names I like are Nino, Perron, Tlutsy, and Boedker.

The Pens have 2 of the biggest stars in the game, adding another might not mesh well in the locker. Remember how much the CO team with Kariya, Forsberg, Sakic, Selanne failed? They cant really move Sutter anymore. Also why does everyone insist on PH playing with Malkin when it hasnt worked out and the team has struggled?

Pens lose tonight, deal done in 2 weeks.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:12 AM ET
Different when your trading for a top end winger. If Boedker were to be traded, it would have to be a deal that blows Arizona away. Just don't see what the Pens have that could do that.
- cap1681


1st + Dumoulin.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Nov 24 @ 11:14 AM ET
I don't want to trade Despres
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Nov 24 @ 11:15 AM ET
The names I like are Nino, Perron, Tlutsy, and Boedker.

The Pens have 2 of the biggest stars in the game, adding another might not mesh well in the locker. Remember how much the CO team with Kariya, Forsberg, Sakic, Selanne failed? They cant really move Sutter anymore. Also why does everyone insist on PH playing with Malkin when it hasnt worked out and the team has struggled?

Pens lose tonight, deal done in 2 weeks.

- sammy87

Iginla didn't work here either
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Nov 24 @ 11:15 AM ET
1st + Dumoulin.
- sammy87


1st and Pouliot would be the starting point.......

Arizona doesn't need young defensemen anyway.
Conse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rio de Janeiro
Joined: 11.27.2013

Nov 24 @ 11:16 AM ET
Agree, obviously it would be nice to have Kane or Eberle but that would take too much. They need complimentary top6 wingers so Sid and Geno can at least play what they know.

We're seeing the difference on sid's line since horny went to the second line help Malkin and Dupuis went down with injury. We just need guys who can play legitimate top 6 minutes and contribute somehow.
s0rcerer1984
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, VA
Joined: 07.03.2008

Nov 24 @ 11:17 AM ET
The Oilers are high if they think Perron will return a top 6 center, especially since they set the bar last year when they traded for him.
- cap1681


To me it all depends on how you define Top-6 C.

If its Crosby/Seguin/Stamkos-type generational 1C, the 'high' doesn't begin to cover it.

If its Spezza/Statsny/Couture legit 1C, yes, they are very, very, high.

If it is a Brassard/Bonino/Kadir legit 2C, yes, they are high, but only due to C's being more valuable than W's.

If you are looking at someone like Sutter, who could/would likely play a 2C role on most other teams, they i think it is possibe. Sutter has its deficencies, but if used in a more offensive role w/ skilled players (ie, like Bennett) he has shown he can put up some points.

Not saying Sutter for Perron would be a perfect deal for Edm, but its almost impossible to find a legit 1C via UFA due to how valuable they are. Plus, Edm is not know as being able to attract top UFA talent regardless.
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