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Travis Yost
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:19 PM ET
Travis Yost: A Quick Thought on Defensemen
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 28 @ 2:24 PM ET
travis, do you think edler would be a suitable partner...........or would it be preferable to have a more "defensively sound" guy, who can still skate with karlsson and join the rush, but not put up the type of numbers edler could?
GadesnSens
Ottawa Senators
Location: 'isn't cheatin if ur wf is watchin, ON
Joined: 06.12.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:32 PM ET
I agree that you cannot say enough about this guy - he is all world.

- the offensive numbers he puts up are simply staggering
- he has just come off of a potentially career threatening injury, yet was able to do his job better than 90% of his peers
- his defensive zone work will only get better with a return to full health (Sami Salo and Teamu Selane both said it takes two years to have a full comeback) and another year of experience

Haters are gonna hate, but if they really looked at this guy objectively they would have to be impressed.

After a full recovery and a return to his game of two years ago, Karlsson is going to be a perennial Norris candidate
Travis Yost
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:40 PM ET
travis, do you think edler would be a suitable partner...........or would it be preferable to have a more "defensively sound" guy, who can still skate with karlsson and join the rush, but not put up the type of numbers edler could?
- sensarmy_11


I would expand it to "target a guy who can individually drive play" and see how the cards fall. Whether that guy is more defensively sound or two-way type, it honestly shouldn't matter much. You'd probably think a more two-way guy would fit better in Ottawa's super-pace style, but I wouldn't rule anyone out .. so long as they're 1PD qual.

Travis Yost
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:40 PM ET
By the way, you know who really stands out on this? Travis Hamonic.
TheMike12
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 12.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 2:41 PM ET
travis, do you think edler would be a suitable partner...........or would it be preferable to have a more "defensively sound" guy, who can still skate with karlsson and join the rush, but not put up the type of numbers edler could?
- sensarmy_11


i really think karlsson needs the Defensive guy who can at time pinch up....when you see his norris year, i believe he spent that whole season with Methot, who was also much better that year than this past year, but gave karlsson someone that was much more D minded but was able to pinch up when called upon.

Travis Yost
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:43 PM ET
i really think karlsson needs the Defensive guy who can at time pinch up....when you see his norris year, i believe he spent that whole season with Methot, who was also much better that year than this past year, but gave karlsson someone that was much more D minded but was able to pinch up when called upon.
- TheMike12


Did it dragging around Filip Kuba, who was atrocious playing with any other defenseman that year.

I'll never forget the splits. 53% Corsi% together. Karlsson 59% away from Kuba. Kuba 44% away from Karlsson.

As disparate as anything you'll see.
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Apr 28 @ 2:45 PM ET
I wish the Sens would have not signed Phillips to that contract.

If not a possible Boyle 3 year deal at $5M would work. Imagine...

Methot-Karlsson
Weicioch-Boyle
Cowen-Gryba
Ceci/Phillips

Also, if there was a way to trade for Ovi. The Sens need to make a splash this summer and bring in a big name. It's no secret that season ticket holder sales stumbled and there are about 1000 reasons for that. Personally I renewed and have already paid in full.

But, if the Sens could bring in a huge name and sell an exciting brand of hockey then I think it would put a few more bums in seats. Maybe those extra sold seats enable Murray to spend a bit closer to the cap and bring in a few better defensive players to compliment Karlsson and Ovi.

Playing boring hockey leads to people not wanting to go to games. The benefit of plcaes like MTL and TO are that they go to see their team, they don't care who the opponent is. It would be awesome if one day fans in Ottawa went to see the Sens and didn't care if we were playing the Panthers, Islanders or Preds!
Travis Yost
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:47 PM ET
I wish the Sens would have not signed Phillips to that contract.


- riceroni


Every passing day that deal gets more and more confounding.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Apr 28 @ 2:54 PM ET
theadore and pouliot on the way!
JCSabs06
Buffalo Sabres
Location: The Edge...The only people who really know where it is have gone over
Joined: 09.06.2012

Apr 28 @ 3:05 PM ET
Tyler Myers, Christian Ehrhoff, + for Bobby Ryan +
ahjnkn
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.16.2008

Apr 28 @ 3:18 PM ET
I kept proposing a Spezza + for Yandle deal a while back, good to see based on this graph that it would be a deal worth pursuing and my eyes are not playing tricks when I watch the Yotes play.

The deal would make sense for both teams (offensive sparkplug needed in PHX, solid D in Ottawa) and for the Sens the cap hit is lower, the salary difference is not so bad especially if Spezza is traded with another roster player, and you could replace his production with a quick stop gap in free agency (e.g. Mikael Grabovski on a one year contract) as we let our prospects like Lazar develop into more legit NHL calibre players.

Spezza, Shane Prince and low pick next year for Yandle and Vrbata would be a decent swap.

BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 3:23 PM ET
This is not 800-attempt Mike Green 2007-2010, gunning with the Capitals. This is Mike Green on stanozolol.


Is stanozolol a drug that drops your +/- by 55 points? (thinking about Mike Green's +39 campaign, he was also 1.01ppg, 76 points in 75 games as compared to Karlsson's 0.9ppg). Don't get me wrong, Karlsson is incredible, just don't quite understand why you think he's so much better than Green during his best years
Travis Yost
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 01.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 3:26 PM ET
Is stanozolol a drug that drops your +/- by 55 points? (thinking about Mike Green's +39 campaign, he was also 1.01ppg, 76 points in 75 games as compared to Karlsson's 0.9ppg). Don't get me wrong, Karlsson is incredible, just don't quite understand why you think he's so much better than Green during his best years
- BestRapperAlive

I'll write a longer post on it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 28 @ 3:28 PM ET
He's the best offensive defenseman, like Paul. Coffey. The nominees are better all-around defensemen, like Ray Bourque. It's really that simple, although I'm sure I'll get butchered for saying so.
BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 3:29 PM ET
I'll write a longer post on it.
- Travis Yost


alright cool
Aaron Musick
Colorado Avalanche
Location: NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C OR, CO
Joined: 12.17.2007

Apr 28 @ 3:31 PM ET
By the way, you know who really stands out on this? Travis Hamonic.
- Travis Yost


Hamonic is a beast. Very impressed with his overall game.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 28 @ 3:39 PM ET
For a guy coming off the injury he did, Karlsson has had a monster year. I really don't think Ottawa needs to do much. I think that space has to be made to consider Ceci, Stone, Hoffman, Lazar, Peumple and Pageau next year. It is a year Od transition.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Apr 28 @ 3:40 PM ET
He's the best offensive defenseman, like Paul. Coffey. The nominees are better all-around defensemen, like Ray Bourque. It's really that simple, although I'm sure I'll get butchered for saying so.
- jmatchett383


agree with this. he has no peer offensively, it's not even close. but defensively, i see a guy who just isn't regularly committed. he bails on a lot of plays. to me, he's the Alex Ovechkin of defencemen. generational talent but at the end of the day, i would prefer someone like Suter, Doughty or Weber to anchor a defence.
TheMike12
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 12.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 3:57 PM ET
He's the best offensive defenseman, like Paul. Coffey. The nominees are better all-around defensemen, like Ray Bourque. It's really that simple, although I'm sure I'll get butchered for saying so.
- jmatchett383


i dont think you will get too much crap from sens fans for that...most understand that....the year he won the norris he was 10x better defensively...i would bet next season we will see a turn around and improvement defensively...being fully healed up will make a difference for him.

i would have been shocked if karlsson was nominated this year...no one is anywhere near close to him offensively, but yeah that big fat minus on the year pretty much eliminated him from the running (granted the terrible goaltending and dragging around cowen most of the year didnt help him either)
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 28 @ 4:08 PM ET
He's the best offensive defenseman, like Paul. Coffey. The nominees are better all-around defensemen, like Ray Bourque. It's really that simple, although I'm sure I'll get butchered for saying so.
- jmatchett383


not sure why you think you'd get butchered......i'd say 99% of sens fans feel the same.

my one beef with the nominations is how weber at -2 gets in over pietrangelo. the knock on karlsson is his +/-.....and while it's obviously much worse then webers, not sure how you can justify weber over the others.

now, i do think weber is a freak......but based on THIS YEAR, not sure how you justify the nomination.

same with chara....piets was also better than him

alright then......so i guess my beef is that piets wasnt nominated......probably should have just said that.

my 3 would have been
MrBen
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.22.2010

Apr 28 @ 4:46 PM ET
Is stanozolol a drug that drops your +/- by 55 points? (thinking about Mike Green's +39 campaign, he was also 1.01ppg, 76 points in 75 games as compared to Karlsson's 0.9ppg). Don't get me wrong, Karlsson is incredible, just don't quite understand why you think he's so much better than Green during his best years
- BestRapperAlive


He's not. They're both equally bad in their own end and Green was better offensively when he had his run. Back to back seasons of better than a point per game (Karlsson has never done it) and he scored an absurd 31 goals in 68 games.
I don't blame Yost, if Karlsson played for the Leafs I'd be telling you he was better than Green was as well. It's just funny how quickly people forget.
PtotheY
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.20.2010

Apr 28 @ 5:00 PM ET
Every passing day that deal gets more and more confounding.
- Travis Yost


I honestly thought they signed him 2 years for some management or training position, not as an actual player. I hope he doesn't get dressed much. What a waste of cash for a cheap stringent owner.... doesn't make much sense.
PtotheY
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.20.2010

Apr 28 @ 5:04 PM ET
He's not. They're both equally bad in their own end and Green was better offensively when he had his run. Back to back seasons of better than a point per game (Karlsson has never done it) and he scored an absurd 31 goals in 68 games.
I don't blame Yost, if Karlsson played for the Leafs I'd be telling you he was better than Green was as well. It's just funny how quickly people forget.

- MrBen



Well for one of many things, Karlsson is by far one a better skater, faster skater, more agile, has a better shot and hes got more takeaways. Sure if you compare best to best of years for both players, they seem in the same caliber for one year. Karlsson has stayed at the same pace since then, joined the ranks of superstar status and also overcame a career threatening injury. May I honestly need to say more? Obviously the current Karlsson overshadows the past of Green.
mralexjt
Ottawa Senators
Location: Charlottetown, PEI
Joined: 03.30.2013

Apr 28 @ 5:06 PM ET
Karlsson had a tough year emotionally and didn't really have time for strength and conditioning during the off-season last year after his injury. Yet, he was still a monster for the team this season.

I'm not worried at all about who he's paired up with, because I know he'll continue to deliver in future seasons. This was just a really tough year for him mentally and (probably still) physically, hopefully it will all be behind him for next season and he can get in a good summer for himself.
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