It doesn't take more than an hour to break through on the major issues.

It takes a month or two for the pain to set in.

Right now, the players are missing something they don't care about anyway and the owners are losing money. There is ZERO motivation for the players to move at all.

The screws tighten on the players when they start missing paycheques. They start to crumble within because *some* players will be collecting a paycheque elsewhere while the majority won't.

So, they will ask themselves why they are fighting the good fight while their brethren continue to earn a living.

Then the players finally start negotiating, and we settle around 50/50 with not much else changed, except a limit on contract length....

Which is where we have all known we would end up all along.
- NightTrain_AlMo

perfect so go 50/50 and limit the contract length to 5 years...........done....make it happen

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Eklund: Marathon Sessions Ahead For the Weekend? Big Opportunity.
- Eklund

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http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/09/18/la-lnh-pourrait-faire-appel-a-des-joueurs-de-remplacement

Sorry the article is in french , but Bill Daly could be flirting with the idea of using scab players....
- Alexzanki

You can only use "scabs" or replacement players in the event of a player strike. That is why the NFL goes on with garbage referees whilst their referees are on strike. If the owners lock the players out, they cannot go out and hire replacements and open up shop. If they want to have games, they have to honor the contracts they have signed.

is the SEL the only league that's forcing players who sign, to agree to a 1 year contract and thus stay regardless if the lockout ends or not?
ie; kopitar

im a little confused as to how this is going down.
i remember reading something to that effect when they (sel officials) were considering their options anyway.
but i also read malkin (among others) signed a 1 year contract in russia as well. is this different, or non binding? or am i wrong about the SEL as well?

someone enlighten me

perfect so go 50/50 and limit the contract length to 5 years...........done....make it happen
- casevo17

You can't, you have to remember 2004-2005. Goodenow offered a 24% rollback in November. The league laughed at him and canceled the season. Then the players gave in to the cap and had to eat the 24% pay cut on top of it. Don will be reminding them of this daily. He has also negotiated seven CBA's with MLB, and never ever gives back something that has been negotiated for the players.

The average hockey career is 4 years. More than half of NHL players don't make it to UFA now. The league wants them to take a nice fat pay cut and strip them of all salary bargaining rights until ten years of NHL service, and they refuse to negotiate under any conceptual framework but their own.

http://ethangatormoreauyouknow.ytmnd.com/

How in the world can you say that this weekend is a big opportunity? As opposed to any other day or set of two back to back days if you like.

This was as well thought out as the NHLPA's video.

is the SEL the only league that's forcing players who sign, to agree to a 1 year contract and thus stay regardless if the lockout ends or not?
ie; kopitar

im a little confused as to how this is going down.
i remember reading something to that effect when they (sel officials) were considering their options anyway.
but i also read malkin (among others) signed a 1 year contract in russia as well. is this different, or non binding? or am i wrong about the SEL as well?

someone enlighten me
- hugefemale dog77

The SEL will not allow NHL players to play in the NHL if the lok out ends. Because all NHL players are obligated to play for their NHL teams if the lock out ends they are disqualified from signing there. The ones with no ontracts can still sign there. Players in the KHL, Swiss, German, Czech, Finnish and the second tier of the SEL are allowed to cum back to the NHL if the lockout ends.

The SEL will not allow NHL players to play in the NHL if the lok out ends. Because all NHL players are obligated to play for their NHL teams if the lock out ends they are disqualified from signing there. The ones with no ontracts can still sign there. Players in the KHL, Swiss, German, Czech, Finnish and the second tier of the SEL are allowed to cum back to the NHL if the lockout ends.
- flamminghead

This is what i thought... Thx

whats a marathon session to them? 3 hours?
- Popcorn Kid

Negotiating from 26.2 miles away.

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So I am sure some of you seen on TSN the players who signed contracts with signing bonuses. So far owenrs have paid out more than $108, 000, 000. Plus they continued to sign contracts righ up to the deadline. I really don't think all of the owners wanted a lock out. Signiing bonuses should be capped or eliminitated.

Although Steve Fehr and Bill Daly chatted this evening, neither the union nor the league moved on its positions for a new CBA.

Both sides confirmed to CSNPhilly.com that things remain status quo.

There are NO formal talks planned.

Reading into this, I would suggest there will no talks at all this week.

For more hockey during this lockout, here's a link to CSNPhilly.com:

Just Sayin!!

Eklund whats the real story??

I used to fequent a coffee shop when I was younger. There were many regulars at that coffee shop and we all had knowledge of each other's lives. It was a great place to hang out because it was familiar and safe, kind of comforting. Well that coffee shop closed down, and everyone moved on.

As time went on some people pined for the coffee shop, but most went on to different things. People realized that it was a waste of time and a crutch for life issues.

If this thing stretches out again, people would be wise to move on to more constructive hobbies or events to utilize their time. Baseball never fully recovered, it will be interesting to see people understand that they don't need hockey.

I used to fequent a coffee shop when I was younger. There were many regulars at that coffee shop and we all had knowledge of each other's lives. It was a great place to hang out because it was familiar and safe, kind of comforting. Well that coffee shop closed down, and everyone moved on.

As time went on some people pined for the coffee shop, but most went on to different things. People realized that it was a waste of time and a crutch for life issues.

If this thing stretches out again, people would be wise to move on to more constructive hobbies or events to utilize their time. Baseball never fully recovered, it will be interesting to see people understand that they don't need hockey.
- stevecarpetman

Thanks -- now I'm stuck with an image of Gary Bettman as a waitress in a diner with big hair, gum and calling everyone honey

I used to fequent a coffee shop when I was younger. There were many regulars at that coffee shop and we all had knowledge of each other's lives. It was a great place to hang out because it was familiar and safe, kind of comforting. Well that coffee shop closed down, and everyone moved on.

As time went on some people pined for the coffee shop, but most went on to different things. People realized that it was a waste of time and a crutch for life issues.

If this thing stretches out again, people would be wise to move on to more constructive hobbies or events to utilize their time. Baseball never fully recovered, it will be interesting to see people understand that they don't need hockey.
- stevecarpetman

I would say baseball has recovered. The Jays just have sucked since 93 so that's why their attendance is not as high but MLB in total has highest attendance ever last few years and no work stoppages since 94.


Overall, the last eight years make up the eight best-attended seasons in the history of Major League Baseball, including four record-breaking years.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/p...pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I used to fequent a coffee shop when I was younger. There were many regulars at that coffee shop and we all had knowledge of each other's lives. It was a great place to hang out because it was familiar and safe, kind of comforting. Well that coffee shop closed down, and everyone moved on.

As time went on some people pined for the coffee shop, but most went on to different things. People realized that it was a waste of time and a crutch for life issues.

If this thing stretches out again, people would be wise to move on to more constructive hobbies or events to utilize their time. Baseball never fully recovered, it will be interesting to see people understand that they don't need hockey.
- stevecarpetman

People went on to different things... Yeah, it's called Tim Hortons!!!!

The NHL is THE hockey league. The only one televised in North America. You might get lucky watching your local CHL or AHL team on a regional broadcast, but in the end, the NHL is not a small coffee shop competing against Tim Hortons. They are Tim Horton's.

Baseball didn't "not" recovered, it was simply over hyped. It was standard for every game to be on every TV network. Then when they realized that they could have better rating with showing re-runs of JAG or Saved By The Bell, they didn't renew their contracts.

Brewers games were empty in the 80-90's. The lockouts didn't have anything to do with that.

Thanks -- now I'm stuck with an image of Gary Bettman as a waitress in a diner with big hair, gum and calling everyone honey
- Canada Cup

People went on to different things... Yeah, it's called Tim Hortons!!!!

The NHL is THE hockey league. The only one televised in North America. You might get lucky watching your local CHL or AHL team on a regional broadcast, but in the end, the NHL is not a small coffee shop competing against Tim Hortons. They are Tim Horton's.

Baseball didn't "not" recovered, it was simply over hyped. It was standard for every game to be on every TV network. Then when they realized that they could have better rating with showing re-runs of JAG or Saved By The Bell, they didn't renew their contracts.

Brewers games were empty in the 80-90's. The lockouts didn't have anything to do with that.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Right now the NHL is the "No Hockey League." In North Carolina we do not have as many options for minor league hockey as you have available in Canada. Charlotte is a 3 hour drive from Raleigh.

Right now the NHL is the "No Hockey League." In North Carolina we do not have as many options for minor league hockey as you have available in Canada. Charlotte is a 3 hour drive from Raleigh.
- Barbecued Hockey

I was stationed at Fort Bragg for 2 years, I know all about NC. At lease Fayetteville had their Fireantz.

Right now it's the "No Hockey League". I do not disagree with you. My point was, for someone saying they will leave the NHL because of another year of lock-out, they are only fooling themselves.

Whether fans in NC actually like hockey, or the "Storm Squad", they will only get it in the NHL.

Right now the NHL is the "No Hockey League." In North Carolina we do not have as many options for minor league hockey as you have available in Canada. Charlotte is a 3 hour drive from Raleigh.
- Barbecued Hockey

And I must say, Cary has some of the most beautiful women in NC
I use to go to the mall there to pick up girls

Of course I was only 19 in the US Army at Ft.Bragg which has 20k male soldiers and 1k women.... Every girl with female parts was A+ to me.

You can't, you have to remember 2004-2005. Goodenow offered a 24% rollback in November. The league laughed at him, gladly accepted his proposal for a 24% rollback, incorporated it into their proposal to the players, and when Goodenow refused to agree they canceled the season. Then the players gave in to the cap and had to eat the 24% pay cut on top of it.
- czxqa

Corrected for better clarity.

Don will be reminding them of this daily. He has also negotiated seven CBA's with MLB, and never ever gives back something that has been negotiated for the players.
- czxqa

The big difference here is that Fehr has historically gone against a group of owners who struggled to be on the same page about much of anything, and had an incompetent commissioner at the helm [save Ueberroth in '85, until he suggested the owners engage in collusion]. Hate Bettman all you want, but he knows what the plan is from the owners side and has a clear vision of how to accomplish it.

The average hockey career is 4 years. More than half of NHL players don't make it to UFA now. The league wants them to take a nice fat pay cut and strip them of all salary bargaining rights until ten years of NHL service, and they refuse to negotiate under any conceptual framework but their own.
- czxqa

"nice fat pay cut" = about 9%, give or take. It's nothing like the 24% pay cut in '05 [again, something Goodenow lobbed out without consulting the rank and file about]. That said, I agree that there's no reason the players should have to take a further rollback or go 10+ years to be UFA. That doesn't mean I think they should get 57% of revenues like they currently do, but I think it's entirely possible to set up the next revenue split to avoid a rollback and avoid having the players fork over a ton over in escrow - especially if the owners are really serious about preaching self-restraint in handing out contracts and want to be held accountable for when they don't.

"nice fat pay cut" = about 9%, give or take. It's nothing like the 24% pay cut in '05
- Irish Blues[again, something Goodenow lobbed out without consulting the rank and file about]. That said, I agree that there's no reason the players should have to take a further rollback or go 10+ years to be UFA. That doesn't mean I think they should get 57% of revenues like they currently do, but I think it's entirely possible to set up the next revenue split to avoid a rollback and avoid having the players fork over a ton over in escrow - especially if the owners are really serious about preaching self-restraint in handing out contracts and want to be held accountable for when they don't.

The only problem is if there's anyway the players will compromise on a 50/50 split or something in the ballpark. Even if the league would agree to have a cap freeze until it reaches that #, I'm not entirely sure the players will want to compromise on contract lenghts, bonuses, etc.
No matter what the league throws at the players, the players will feel like they are already giving so much more.
I can just picture a negotiation with them. Owners say 43, players 57, owners 47, players 53, owners 49, players 51. Then owners say 54, players come back at 50 thinking the 54 was a catch and a way the owners wanted to screw them even more.